The start of a 4 year disarmament in US

[imdoo'n]

Look at actual murder stats out of that. Majority of those were accidents and gang related shootings. Look at violent crime per capita in those countries compared to the US.

sorry dude you brought up gun related crimeand homicdes.

 

[byronkentgraham]

sorry dude your wrong, your info is bullch!t. gun crimes in canada are way down compared to the usa. they are 10 times the population but there gun deaths are way more than 10 times per capita.

Of course their gun deaths are higher per capita, they have huge cities with major gang problems.

I would be willing to bet majority of those deaths are gang members and criminals. If gangs and criminals want to kill each other go ahead I won't lose sleep.

 

[imdoo'n]

Jesus where is Imdooin when you need him? Lmao!!

out buyin guns, dude, gotta protect us snow n mudders.

 

[imdoo'n]

How many gangbangers will go through proper licensing to get a gun? Very few they will buy them off the black market.

If they want to do something to protect children from mass shootings get auto locking doors and armed officers of the law stationed at every school.

so where do the dudes selling the guns on the black market get these so called guns? and how are you going to defend yourself with a "shotgun". you seem to be the poster boy for the nra. don't really understand what your getting so upset about, ur in canada not the usa.

 

[byronkentgraham]

sorry dude you brought up gun related crimeand homicdes.

This isn't just about guns. It's about violent crime, and the people who commit them. Like my sig says if someone is willing to kill another person are they really going to stop and say oh "wait this gun is illegal better go get a bolt action so it's all I don't break to many laws while I'm shooting up a theatre room full of people. "

Guns do not kill people, people kill people. I have my rifles at home and I'm pretty sure they aren't going to go shoot my neighbours while I'm away, but if they do I will throw myself on the mercy of the court.

How many people do sport kill a year? Should we ban them to? They are too fast and they serve no purpose but to kill people. We may as well limit those big diesels to 100 hp because anymore than that and we are just endangering the other people on the road.

Licensing for guns and background checks I agree with 100%. Taking away guns from law abiding citizens and leaving them in the hands of criminals? Not going to happen.

 

[byronkentgraham]

so where do the dudes selling the guns on the black market get these so called guns? and how are you going to defend yourself with a "shotgun". you seem to be the poster boy for the nra. don't really understand what your getting so upset about, ur in canada not the usa.

That's like asking "where do all these drugs come from they are illegal?" South America, Asia, Africa wherever people can get or steal them from.

Same way the bashaw farmer did, just with bigger shells.

 

[imdoo'n]

again you go off the deep end, don't see anyone banning guns, just crtain ones, hunting rifles, shotguns no problem, yer tellin me you need a fully auto or semi auto to go hunting? i say ya need to perfect yer aim a bit better. you claim that all the people shot in multiple shootings lately would have been protected if they had guns. i say wake the fawk up. half the people in the USof A are armed now. don't see them doing a friggin thing. your arguments are based on frivolous fear not based on facts.

if people kill people what is the friggin purpose of a gun, pleease enlighten me oh wise one.

 

[snopro]

The best military snipers in the world don't spray bullets at there kills. One shot, one kill and move on. Average joe doesn't need a full auto if he is a good shot.

 

[imdoo'n]

gang bangers and criminals will still kill, hopefully if they use a knife, club or single shot rifle only one person at a time not 30.

 

[byronkentgraham]

gang bangers and criminals will still kill, hopefully if they use a knife, club or single shot rifle only one person at a time not 30.

They won't use a knife or a single shot rifle. They will do what criminals do and break the law.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, whether t be a cop, an open carry bystander or his own.

I see your way of thinking Larry. No one has a use for a full auto, would I buy one if they were legal? Probably. Would I shoot it very often? Absolutely not. But I am against any legislation that says I as a free law abiding citizen that tells me I may not own one.

 

[byronkentgraham]

again you go off the deep end, don't see anyone banning guns, just crtain ones, hunting rifles, shotguns no problem, yer tellin me you need a fully auto or semi auto to go hunting? i say ya need to perfect yer aim a bit better. you claim that all the people shot in multiple shootings lately would have been protected if they had guns. i say wake the fawk up. half the people in the USof A are armed now. don't see them doing a friggin thing. your arguments are based on frivolous fear not based on facts.

if people kill people what is the friggin purpose of a gun, pleease enlighten me oh wise one.

A gun is an inanimate object. There's not hordes of guns running around Syria shooting people. There wasn't troops of guns forcing Jews in gas chambers.

When did I say I need a full auto to go hunting? Putting words in my mouth now?

Second hand smoke kills more people a year than guns do. Why isn't there a push to ban cigarettes?http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/tobacco/statisticssnapshot

Drunk driving killed more people than guns did. Why not ban alcohol? Why not ban cars for civilians and have government supplied busses since citizens can't be trusted? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_in_the_United_States

 

[imdoo'n]

They won't use a knife or a single shot rifle. They will do what criminals do and break the law.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, whether t be a cop, an open carry bystander or his own.

I see your way of thinking Larry. No one has a use for a full auto, would I buy one if they were legal? Probably. Would I shoot it very often? Absolutely not. But I am against any legislation that says I as a free law abiding citizen that tells me I may not own one.

what? you live in canada dude you already have the friggin legislation in force. u really have nothing to say about what happens in the good ol US of A. and it really has no effect on ya as far as i can see. unless yer a dual citizen.

they have to do something it is getting out of control. there needs to be some sort of control and until then it will only get worse.

 

[byronkentgraham]

what? you live in canada dude you already have the friggin legislation in force. u really have nothing to say about what happens in the good ol US of A. and it really has no effect on ya as far as i can see. unless yer a dual citizen.

they have to do something it is getting out of control. there needs to be some sort of control and until then it will only get worse.

Obviously I know there is legislation against it. Do I want it reversed? Meh not really to be honest. But when democrats are in power this will be the first of many laws that take power away from law abiding citizens and gives it to criminals and the government.

IF they could remove every gun in the USA today, it wouldn't a stop these killings. These criminals would just start making explosive devices or getting illegal weapons.

 

[imdoo'n]

so a gun is just a pretty peace of art? again what is the purpose of a gun? u seem to have this fixation on syria, and a few war torn countries, is the usa having some sort of civil war again. if i ever take up residence in the us, i'll be needing an ak47 to defend myself from the bad guys, i guess.

 

[imdoo'n]

Obviously I know there is legislation against it. Do I want it reversed? Meh not really to be honest. But when democrats are in power this will be the first of many laws that take power away from law abiding citizens and gives it to criminals and the government.

IF they could remove every gun in the USA today, it wouldn't a stop these killings. These criminals would just start making explosive devices or getting illegal weapons.

so how do the democrates get in power, the majority of the population votes them in, could be only one vote but that is the way it is. the nra should have "talked to him". and they can vote him out and put the guns back in.

 

[byronkentgraham]

so a gun is just a pretty peace of art? again what is the purpose of a gun? u seem to have this fixation on syria, and a few war torn countries, is the usa having some sort of civil war again. if i ever take up residence in the us, i'll be needing an ak47 to defend myself from the bad guys, i guess.

Not a fixation just an example of why removing weapons from citizens and giving them to the government isn't a good idea as you believe.

 

[imdoo'n]

anyway, i don't have the answers, and i'm out for the night.

 

[byronkentgraham]

anyway, i don't have the answers, and i'm out for the night.

See ya Larry. At least someone would step up to the plate and argue with my crazy gun toting theories.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Baaaaaaa... The cry of the sheep. The media bleat about "assault rifles" and the easily led fall in line and repeat what they heard being ignorant of the facts. Automatic weapons and "assault rifles" have been strictly controlled in the states for decades. Semi-automatic rifles are not controlled(with a few exceptions). If guns scare you, don't buy one. I don't drive fast, but I won't tell you you can't drive a corvette. ( if firearm deaths in the U.S. scare you, look up traffic fatalities). People need to take the emotion out of the debate and deal with the facts.
The nut-bar that killed those kids could have killed more and in a more horrific manner if he walked onto a loaded school bus with a lighter and a Jerry can full of gas.
You can't legislate morality,sanity or decency. Period. Evil people exist, always have, always will. Connecticut has some of the strictest gun control laws in the states. They didn't work.
There are millions of guns out there. They're not going away. If you try to ban them, people will hoard them. Look at recent gun sales in the States. Off the charts.
Whether one agrees with it or not, the 2nd amendment in the states has been repeatedly tested by gun control advocates and has always been upheld. And always will.
Im not a conspiracy theorist,or fear monger, but if history has taught us anything, it's that a society where only police and military have guns is not a free society. All the infamous despots started out with gradually disarming their populations. It's a fact. Research it.

Sadly, the massacre in that school won't be the last. Unfortunately humans have been killing each other since the dawn of time, and we will continue to do so. As members of free societies, we have to decide how far we want to go to give legislators the power to control us. Too little and we have anarchy. Too much, and the people that are considered problematic are loaded into boxcars, or sent for "re-education".

A couple of things I am certain of. 1)Bad things happen to good people. 2) no one is ever gonna load me onto a boxcar alive

 

[adamg]

It's funny when people list countries and peoples like Syria and the Holocaust victims as examples where people should have been armed and leave out the rest of the f$%king world that has restrictions on gun ownership and are as peaceful as can be. If the number of people killed by guns in the US alone isn't enough to convince someone that maybe there should be some restrictions...... Nothing will.

That statement sums up my stance on the position. I don't think the answer to gun violence is more guns, as evidenced by the USA's gun violence stats.