THE Donald

[niner]

http://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-s.../stephen-learns-how-to-say-f-you-in-canadian/

too funny.

 

[eclipse1966]

and the &hit show begins!

http://vancouversun.com/news/politi...ll-for-ban-on-u-s-thermal-coal-from-b-c-ports

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Good in my opinion. The ports may be federal but the coal is BC owned. Time to put a terrify on US oil entering to

and the &hit show begins!

http://vancouversun.com/news/politi...ll-for-ban-on-u-s-thermal-coal-from-b-c-ports

 

[rzrgade]

We don't want to get in a trade war with the us , we will lose .....

 

[eclipse1966]

in a way I agree but we have been "negotiating" with the US for years and even won trade disputes worth billions and goes on deaf ears. Now we are pushed into a corner so we have to fight fire with fire unfortunately. It's going to get ugly IMO!

We don't want to get in a trade war with the us , we will lose .....

 

[rzrgade]

Yes , I agree .. but you and I know we will lose an all out trade war. Big time.
That being said there maybe no easy answers ....
A lot of people who laughed at the possibility of Trump , ever becoming the BOSS , should of had the foresight to expect the unexpected .
Not sayin he is right, but putting it mildly... he stores that chit away.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Maybe BC flips the switch and the whole western sea board goes dark from no power. Canada is in a unique position here regarding the trade deal. We have far more resources then people, the USA is upside down on that measure. Canadians, not to sound like a commie, are unique in the fact we can be self sustaining. Massive land mass with few people. The USA won't have the wood fiber to maintain the terrif, they will be forced to buy from Russia, which im sure will go over well. Good bye to Americans hauling their wood across the boarder to our mills for processing. Fact of the matter is we shouldn't be relying on them as much as we do, there are other markets out there and when Trump comes back crying because they are out of wood we can impose a 24% surplus calling it a "ignorance" tax.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

I haze zero issues with not buying American products.

 

[rzrgade]

The US could bankrupt Canada in a couple of months ...
Don't tempt them .

 

[S.W.A.T.]

The US could bankrupt Canada in a couple of months ...
Don't tempt them .

Not without hurting themselves. Not that we would have a dog in the fight but as the saying goes when resources don't cross borders armies do. Like I said I have zero issues not buying American. If you really want to stick it to them get on board more with the buy local movement. Obviously difficult in many situations especially when it comes to things like parts or vehicles but there are options out there. Shoot I might even consider buying a Doo....... Well maybe not. (Joking) But there are options, buy local beef, vegetables, pork etc. Buy your fuels from your locally owned shops supporting more locally owned outfits is the best way to "stick it to the man"

 

[rzrgade]

I catch on to what you are getting at but in reality , we are a drop in the bucket in the the overall US economy ...
For example:
There are more beef cows in Montana than in all of Canada ..
There is more milk produced in Wisconsin than all of Canada ...
Hell I think there is more people in New York City , than 1/4 of Canada ...(??)
Anyways , you get the idea ...
We need way more partnerships with them , than a head to head competition. That we will lose , they have cheaper labour & less regulation.

The master of dealing with the US was RALPH k
You want our resources , you build up here...we both win ( or lose ) ... that is the only way to deal with them .

Eastern Canada has done a very poor job of catering to our richest& closest trading partner... sadly .
None the less , we live in a global economy , with out US $ , we won't last 10 mins....
And to hear this nonsense of " well we will just sell it to some one else !" We can't even sell Alberta oil to Quebec for christs sake .....

 

[eclipse1966]

the US is already "bankrupt" to the tune of trillions so making them buy their products from other countries if they cant get it from Canada will just magnify their problems. Trump is losing battles on all fronts so he is simply attacking where he thinks are easy targets such as our laid back attitudes in canada to make a name for himself. Yup lets make "America Great" by screwing with our important allies. Patriotism is great but in a global world that we now live in will simply backfire in the long run. FYI, I insure all goods via EDC that are exported whether to US or abroad. EDC pays out more claims to Canadian companies that were not paid by US companies more than any other country combined. So, maybe time we start looking for new customers who don't put us thru this BS.

The US could bankrupt Canada in a couple of months ...
Don't tempt them .

 

[rzrgade]

So what other countries do you suggest or "trust "may be a better word ? In terms of a global trading partner ?
While the US does owe trillions , it is still the richest country in the world . They are not going anywhere soon ...
In fact there economy is gathering steam like crazy , while ours is sputtering , particularly since jerkoff took over ..
Now is not the time to test there resolve .. is simply my point.
We need a real leader right now , not a snowboarder / drama teacher .

 

[S.W.A.T.]

I know exactly what you are addressing as well. But what you are saying about the beef and milk is exactly the issue that trump is going after. Because we have a cap system it keeps the market at a balance of sorts. American dairy farmers are pouring their milk down the drain because they market is flush and no one is buying it. What isn't seen is the costs associated with raising dairy cows in Canada, heated barns, only access to feed 6 months of the year things of that nature. If we allowed American dairy into our super markets sure there would be a price reduction HOPEFULLY but most likely at the cost of our local dairy producers. Same goes for beef and chickens. Its not our fault that in true American fashion they over produce everything. Allowing Trump to dictate what is sold to us is the wrong way to go. By killing the softwood lumber agreement he is only going to hurt himself to as the cost of home building is going to skyrocket south of the border. Don't get me wrong I would love to $2 gallon milk and $2 blocks of cheese. Yes we are a drop in the bucket, 10% actually and yes a partnership would be ideal but can't let the school yard bully push us around. Most people, myself included hoped Trump would be a economical help for Canada but he has only hurt us thus far. At least Christy Clark has the chesticals to voice her concern, I bet JT writes a very stern grammatically correct letter expressing his concern. Once he gets back from whatever trip we are paying for now

I catch on to what you are getting at but in reality , we are a drop in the bucket in the the overall US economy ...
For example:
There are more beef cows in Montana than in all of Canada ..
There is more milk produced in Wisconsin than all of Canada ...
Hell I think there is more people in New York City , than all of Canada ...(??)
Anyways , you get the idea ...
We need way more partnerships with them , than a head to head competition. That we will lose , they have cheaper labour & less regulation.

The master of dealing with the US was RALPH k
You want our resources , you build up here...we both win ( or lose ) ... that is the only way to deal with them .

Eastern Canada has done a very poor job of catering to our richest& closest trading partner... sadly .
None the less , we live in a global economy , with out US $ , we won't last 10 mins....
And to hear this nonsense of " well we will just sell it to some one else !" We can't even sell Alberta oil to Quebec for christs sake .....

 

[eclipse1966]

I sell to Japan/China/EU/India and have zero problems and get paid every time! Over the past 10 years 4 US based companies took me for $600,000 bucks so in my point of view its a no brainer hence the reason I now insure my exports. As for leadership, I get it and I agree JT is a bump on a log but this softwood issue has been going on since Harper days and nothing happened by him either. The NAFTA agreement has its good but also bad and we can thank good old Brian Baloney for that.

So what other countries do you suggest or "trust "may be a better word ? In terms of a global trading partner ?
While the US does owe trillions , it is still the richest country in the world . They are not going anywhere soon ...
In fact there economy is gathering steam like crazy , while ours is sputtering , particularly since jerkoff took over ..
Now is not the time to test there resolve .. is simply my point.
We need a real leader right now , not a snowboarder / drama teacher .

 

[S.W.A.T.]

The middle east will need to rebuild one day, poorly timed joke, but many countries are still growing. China is out of tree's, Germany has none, the UK hasn't had any for a long time. I am ok with shopping elsewhere and sending out products to countries that would actually appreciate them.

 

[rzrgade]

I agree totally , but what makes you suspect that other countries will pay more than the US will?

 

[rzrgade]

I sell to Japan/China/EU/India and have zero problems and get paid every time! Over the past 10 years 4 US based companies took me for $600,000 bucks so in my point of view its a no brainer hence the reason I now insure my exports. As for leadership, I get it and I agree JT is a bump on a log but this softwood issue has been going on since Harper days and nothing happened by him either. The NAFTA agreement has its good but also bad and we can thank good old Brian Baloney for that.

It seems to me that the past liberal government was really good at .. well not much other than insulting your largest trading partner ! Then in comes Harper and boom , I here no more about trade disputes/ softwood : mad cow etc etc ...
Bring in that anti American little prick who praises Fidel Castro as a great man & and a true friend of Canada .
Yeah the same dude who almost brought the USA to war ...

Fast forward to another liberal abortion of a government ...and look what happens again .
now we are back to that eastern mentality of arrogance with our biggest trading partner , we pull out of supporting them in the fight on terror for example . Etc etc ..
They made a dreadful mistake not factoring the remotest chance Trump could become president! Like it or not , trump has been talking of renewed nafta trade talks for months ! , prior to the election .. where was OUR guy ?

Let me get this one , flying around some carpetbaggers private island on our dime ...
While I agree this sucks ,we can not control what trump does ,we should of been much more prepared and I am not surprised at all by our federal governments handling of this .

As chitty as the commercials were , boy were they true ...
he is in way over his head !

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Well hopefully our costs will go down but not likely. Population of the USA is roughly 320million, lets say 10% of those people might buy lumber or lumber products from Canadian markets and give it a numerical value of $5. So 32 million x $5= $1.6billion, again just easy round figures. Look around at the rest of the world of 7.3 billion. Subtract the .3 for loss of the USA. 7 billion people left. Use the same scale of 10%, still leaves 700,000,000.Take out half for the Russian market still leaves 350,000,000 people even at $3 im sure you can figure out the difference.

 

[rzrgade]

Thank Jebus we have mcdavid & crown left ....
Not even the mighty NDP can destroy that ....