The Alberta SRD

[fargineyesore]

And it's people like you too ignorant to change your ways that ruin it for everybody.

I'll leave it at that. You, and people like yourself, are the problem.

Boose is a problem because people have family on the trails. How would you feel if you ran into/over a kid. Or, your kid was ran over by somebody drunk?

People need to think about others and less about themselves.

Show me one post that said someone said that driving your machine drunk is okay. Just one please. No one has said that. Peeps have said they like to have the odd beer on the trail. How about you motorcycle riders that ride like a bat out of hell on the trails (and DON'T even try to tell me that dirt bike riders don't go like hell. They ride one hell of a lot faster than quads) endangering families safety. Just go to Bruderheim area sometime if you don't believe me. After having ridden there, there's no way I'd take my kid out there to ride, mostly because of the dirt bikes. If you want to start pointing fingers, let's get at er.

 

[Shibby!]

Certainly can't disagree with your comments today. If people won't show some consideration for others, then screw 'em and I may have done what you did. I just don't want to see this "reporting" riders thing get out of hand to where it's for any little thing that someone does that someone else doesn't like that people start videoing, phoning, etc. Hopefully that doesn't happen. I do agree with the other peeps that certain people better stop being such idiots out there, the garbage makes me the maddest, but when you go to a public restroom and see the mess people leave behind, it doesn't surprise me. Some people are just pigs, period.

I think common sense comes into play.

I too agree with his statement. I do many sports on the verge of being closed. And unlike some comments made against me, mountain biking and XC biking are also sports I do and are also sports with areas under fire.

Our local areas seem to be pretty good for garbage with exceptions to long weekends. The abuse of the environment is what chaps my ass because it doesn't need to happen, yet people don't stop.

And yes, I do have a helmet cam which I bring with me everytime that can easily get people descriptions (the "it wasn't me using my quad") thing doesn't work, and plate number and vehicle description at a click of the mouse.

The SRD simply cannot force the rules they have in place. Budgets have only gone up since I got into this gig and I have only seen attendance of those who inforce the rules go down. If we enforce the rules ourselves we can stop it. Our eyes (cameras) work just as well as theirs. If that's what it takes I'm all for it.

Responsible users do not apply. They can ride knowing this won't happen. On the other hand those that are doing it might just not know. I won't be telling them their doing it because I've had enough bad scenarios of dumbass's not listening, but the SRD does take this information and does follow-up/press charges.

Happy trail riding! Seeya out on the trails!

 

[JayBec]

wholy crap we went from tearin up muskeg an trails, to garbage, to fires, to drivin drunk, to possibly killing kids,
kinda feels like young an the restless,
short an sweet....havin a few beers...ok
garbage....if you take it in, take it out ( whats so hard about it )people must think their pretty cool when they throw it on the ground
quaddin hammered...your an idiot and i hope you wrap yourself around a tree...
muskeg an trails...its where we play, were not the only ones that do (( how about trucks and other vehicles ( go bitch on their websites too then)
fires...keep it safe an contained
dirt bikes and racing quads...they like to play on sand and gravel ( hence bruderheim)thats where they speed an jumps and whatever it is that they do.if ya dont like it dont go there..( for your kids safety of course.)
anyway, quit your bitchin, you know whats right an whats wrong, were for the most part all adults....
why ruin a Awesome thing,
Thanx Jay....

 

[fargineyesore]

Key words being "common sense" and "think about others on the trails" that apply to ALL users.

 

[-LadyDirt-]

Show me one post that said someone said that driving your machine drunk is okay. Just one please. No one has said that. Peeps have said they like to have the odd beer on the trail. How about you motorcycle riders that ride like a bat out of hell on the trails (and DON'T even try to tell me that dirt bike riders don't go like hell. They ride one hell of a lot faster than quads) endangering families safety. Just go to Bruderheim area sometime if you don't believe me. After having ridden there, there's no way I'd take my kid out there to ride, mostly because of the dirt bikes. If you want to start pointing fingers, let's get at er.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here, just slightly opposing this statement..i'm not completely disagreeing with you, I agree there are bikers that ride like hell, but I just wanted to point out that quadders (ok maybe not so much the 4X4's) but the sport quadders definitely ride like hell too and i'm sure they could do a lot more damage... in fact, I was t-boned on my bike by a quad, it was nobody's fault other then neither of us could see eachother.. we weren't really going all that fast but when its quad vs bike + rider.. i'll let you guess which one won that battle.. I was hurtin for a while, and my bike was damaged. I just don't think its fair that you say it's just bikers that endanger families or people on the trails, anyone who rides aggressively and irresponsible is putting anyone at danger... regardless of what machine they are riding.

 

[shan]

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here, just slightly opposing this statement..i'm not completely disagreeing with you, I agree there are bikers that ride like hell, but I just wanted to point out that quadders (ok maybe not so much the 4X4's) but the sport quadders definitely ride like hell too and i'm sure they could do a lot more damage... in fact, I was t-boned on my bike by a quad, it was nobody's fault other then neither of us could see eachother.. we weren't really going all that fast but when its quad vs bike + rider.. i'll let you guess which one won that battle.. I was hurtin for a while, and my bike was damaged. I just don't think its fair that you say it's just bikers that endanger families or people on the trails, anyone who rides aggressively and irresponsible is putting anyone at danger... regardless of what machine they are riding.

sorry to hear about your bike and glad that you were not seriously hurt. just curious.... how did the quad t-bone you? were you both coming from different directions? jumping hills? again I don't quad, so I don't know how fun or how bad things can be.

 

[Summiteer]

OF THE PEOPLE I RIDE WITH......

Speeding is a criminal offence, as is Jay walking and putting a sled deck with 2 sleds on a 1/2 ton.... I won't pussy foot around or hide, when I'm heading out on the trails for the day I will pack a 6-pack, 8-pack maybe even a case depending on the length of the ride, anount of food and # of friends comming with, always have always will. Sledding I carry a few but am more cautious because sleds scare me.... my point was.... why is it every time someone talks about trail closures and garbage booze is brought up.... I like beer more than most people and will defend it's right to ride....

speeding and jay-walking are traffic offences, not criminal offences....are you drunk right now Bog?

 

[shan]

i would also like to say that I see a lot of finger pointing from everyone, but I don't see anyone coming up with a solution(s). Yes, keep drinking to minimum; yes, take your garbage (and others) out with you; yes, ride responsible; and yes, have a fire but keep it small and contained (why would you have a fire to begin with -unless camping).... but there has to be other things that can be done. again i don't quad (my family and friends do) and i would hate to see any areas shut down.

 

[JayBec]

ive never been to South Fork, but heard of it bein a nice place to camp an quad, if their are that many wreckless an stupid things goin on there, why wouldnt the city or CO's put up like trail cams or somethin in their more troubled areas...ya it may cost a bit of money but im sure its better than the cost to clean it up or good hearted people cleaning it up

 

[fargineyesore]

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here, just slightly opposing this statement..i'm not completely disagreeing with you, I agree there are bikers that ride like hell, but I just wanted to point out that quadders (ok maybe not so much the 4X4's) but the sport quadders definitely ride like hell too and i'm sure they could do a lot more damage... in fact, I was t-boned on my bike by a quad, it was nobody's fault other then neither of us could see eachother.. we weren't really going all that fast but when its quad vs bike + rider.. i'll let you guess which one won that battle.. I was hurtin for a while, and my bike was damaged. I just don't think its fair that you say it's just bikers that endanger families or people on the trails, anyone who rides aggressively and irresponsible is putting anyone at danger... regardless of what machine they are riding.

I agree with your post. Glad you didn't get seriously hurt too. I'm trying to make the point that me having a couple beers (not impaired) does not make me a safety hazard on the trails anymore than someone ripping down them at very high rates of speed. I have a buddy that rides dirt bike and we ride together sometimes. He goes fast but I don't consider him an irresponsible rider and he is considerate of other riders, etc., Anyone, regardless of what you ride can be irresponsible and dangerous, or not. Anytime that a discussion starts on garbage, etc., those of us that have a few on the trail (again, not impaired) get told we're irresponsible and dangerous. i don't like getting lumped in with p#ss drunk riders anymore than you getting lumped in with some of the crazy tunnel vision riders I've seen that were nowhere near a beer. Painting with a broad brush doesn't tell the true story about any rider group.

 

[imdoo'n]

I agree with your post. Glad you didn't get seriously hurt too. I'm trying to make the point that me having a couple beers (not impaired) does not make me a safety hazard on the trails anymore than someone ripping down them at very high rates of speed. I have a buddy that rides dirt bike and we ride together sometimes. He goes fast but I don't consider him an irresponsible rider and he is considerate of other riders, etc., Anyone, regardless of what you ride can be irresponsible and dangerous, or not. Anytime that a discussion starts on garbage, etc., those of us that have a few on the trail (again, not impaired) get told we're irresponsible and dangerous. i don't like getting lumped in with p#ss drunk riders anymore than you getting lumped in with some of the crazy tunnel vision riders I've seen that were nowhere near a beer. Painting with a broad brush doesn't tell the true story about any rider group.

.08 is legally impaired, most people that is 3 beers in an hr and i every hr after. except bogger. the jist is that most problems are with drunk riders, acting like marooon's(moron's). it seems that only had a few is the national anthem or buzz word for those that crash cars on a fri or sat night.

you picking up what i'm laying down.? :d

 

[BigShow]

I really have only a few questions about this..why would you buy a quad if you didn't wanna ride it to its full potential...and why would the people organizing the poker rallies include muskeg and mud holes if riding through the mud and skeg was the real issue..the issues are people not knowing how to ride safely..the issues are people leaving garbage..and the issue is the people that so drink and get drunk doing it...quads are ATV(ALL TERRAN VEHICLES) for those that forgot..and what that means for those that forgot is its made to ride on ALL TERRAN...and if you got your machine set up to ride in mud and muskeg...then giver...and if your against people riding in mud and skeg..then you prolly shouldnt be going to any poker rallies cause all of them have some mud and/or skeg on them...its part of the fun of riding...I for one dont drink beer while riding..I don't have issues if seople have a few either...I only get annoyed at the drink ones...I get more annoyed at idiots that buy powerful machines and dont have an idea how to use them...like going up a muddy hill stopping at the bottom and punching the throttle n hoping your tires make it up...cause that makes ruts on a hill which is dangerous and tip over hazard...people with a head on there shoulders get there speed up before the hill that way momentum can take then up the steep hill safely without making ruts...thats only an example of course...I think we are getting screwed over by idiots....not the people that ride n love it..and riding in mud and skeg isn't doing damage to the environment...pansies making trails around the mud are...your the ones knocking down trees and tearing up new trails..the mud riders are just following a path thats already there...

 

[imdoo'n]

I really have only a few questions about this..why would you buy a quad if you didn't wanna ride it to its full potential...and why would the people organizing the poker rallies include muskeg and mud holes if riding through the mud and skeg was the real issue..the issues are people not knowing how to ride safely..the issues are people leaving garbage..and the issue is the people that so drink and get drunk doing it...quads are ATV(ALL TERRAN VEHICLES) for those that forgot..and what that means for those that forgot is its made to ride on ALL TERRAN...and if you got your machine set up to ride in mud and muskeg...then giver...and if your against people riding in mud and skeg..then you prolly shouldnt be going to any poker rallies cause all of them have some mud and/or skeg on them...its part of the fun of riding...I for one dont drink beer while riding..I don't have issues if seople have a few either...I only get annoyed at the drink ones...I get more annoyed at idiots that buy powerful machines and dont have an idea how to use them...like going up a muddy hill stopping at the bottom and punching the throttle n hoping your tires make it up...cause that makes ruts on a hill which is dangerous and tip over hazard...people with a head on there shoulders get there speed up before the hill that way momentum can take then up the steep hill safely without making ruts...thats only an example of course...I think we are getting screwed over by idiots....not the people that ride n love it..and riding in mud and skeg isn't doing damage to the environment...pansies making trails around the mud are...your the ones knocking down trees and tearing up new trails..the mud riders are just following a path thats already there...

not sure what to make of this. but you make a few other valid points, just don't agree with this, and i think the srd also feels the same way.

 

[Skegmeister]

I am going do my part and join the ASA and a OHV club.
There is strength in numbers.

 

[-LadyDirt-]

sorry to hear about your bike and glad that you were not seriously hurt. just curious.... how did the quad t-bone you? were you both coming from different directions? jumping hills? again I don't quad, so I don't know how fun or how bad things can be.

It was a minor accident but some damage was still done to both myself and the bike but again, nobody could be blamed, niether of us were riding agressively, I was climbing a hill in which I could not see what was at the top..after I got to the top the quad was ripping right past the top where I came out and I slammed right into it, got launched and did a superman over the quad into trees. I am a very cautious rider, I don't speed around corners, I stick to the furthest right of the trail I possibly can, but climbing hills can be an issue sometimes you just can't see who or what is over that hill but anyway, it wasn't mine or the quadders fault, it was simply an "accident"..and accidents can happen even if you are not drunk, or being irresponsible. But surely there are the dangerous, irresponsible riders out there who definitley putting themselves and others at risk, and again, it does not matter what kind of machine you are on... you are going to hurt yourself or someone else.

 

[youngpolarisguy]

This thread makes me sick. I did not buy a ATV to pussy foot around water holes and not be able to enjoy a cold beer on the trail. Isn't this kinda what its all about. and the thought that fellow riders would call the cops and video tape me cause i chewed up a skeg hole is just sick. your like the city folks that move to country expecting peace and quite but phone the cops every time i ride past you house on my quad ( under the speed limit and stock exhaust). My thought is get lost and go back were you came from. oh and if i see some one with a camera watching me i will have something to say about it. my 2 cents

 

[imdoo'n]

This thread makes me sick. I did not buy a ATV to pussy foot around water holes and not be able to enjoy a cold beer on the trail. Isn't this kinda what its all about. and the thought that fellow riders would call the cops and video tape me cause i chewed up a skeg hole is just sick. your like the city folks that move to country expecting peace and quite but phone the cops every time i ride past you house on my quad ( under the speed limit and stock exhaust). My thought is get lost and go back were you came from. oh and if i see some one with a camera watching me i will have something to say about it. my 2 cents

you may find yourself without areas to ride in sooner than later, no law in taking your pic with a camera, so you can say what you like, would be interesting "threats" on video tape. now if you have done nothing wrong what is your beef. drinking is your choice, act responsibly and you should have no problems although drinking and driving is a federal offence on any motor vehicle, you choose.

 

[youngpolarisguy]

who said any thing about threats i belive a person can say that they dont what their photo taken. so from what i gather here is quads should stay out of the mud, sleds should stay out of the powder, cars and trucks should stay on the road, beer stays at the camp, etc etc. i think this would make srd and every one happy but boy it sure wouldn't be any fun now.

 

[imdoo'n]

who said any thing about threats i belive a person can say that they dont what their photo taken. so from what i gather here is quads should stay out of the mud, sleds should stay out of the powder, cars and trucks should stay on the road, beer stays at the camp, etc etc. i think this would make srd and every one happy but boy it sure wouldn't be any fun now.

cars and trucks generally operate better if they stay on the road, yes.
excess beer drinking works better at the camp, yes.
sleds should stay out of the powder, in unopen areas, yes
quads should stay out of the mud, off trails, yes.
you will not have any fun , if they shut down riding areas, yes.

you don't seem to get the point, ride responsibly = no problems
drinking and driving = fines
tearing up wet areas = no riding areas
staying on existing trails = open riding areas
quiet quads and sleds = open riding areas
acting like a horses ass = big fines
if your not having fun = your doing something wrong (maybe). that is between you srd, police etc.


the point is enjoy yourself do your part to keep area's open, some people are disgusted with the way things are being done in various riding areas, and things need to change or they will be shut down. try sledding west of the forest trunk road good luck

you picking up what i'm laying down.

 

[-LadyDirt-]

I wouldn't be reporting people ripping up skeg and mud holes, yeah I get it its fun and thats what ppl buy quads for but just FYI this IS part of the reason areas are getting shut down too, might not be a huge part of it but everything is a contributing factor. I'm not saying dont do it, just be aware of it that's all, dont pretend or act like what your doing is perfectly fine because its not. Drinking and riding, making trails around mudholes, ripping and tearing up skeg and mudholes, these are all contributing factors all of which are the ones that are pretty hard to control. As long as we all do our part with the bigger factors, like being responsible, safe, and packing our garbage out with us is all we can really do. The only people I will report, and take pictures of are the ones who are absolutely chit-faced, riding aggressively endangering themselves and fellow riders, and the ones who rip up and down streams, creeks and rivers cleaning their dirty machines off.. I can't stress this enough people.. DONT FAWKIN DO IT!!!