Solar Power

[X-it]

I knew wind mills were bad, but i had no idea they were that bad...thanks for that Stg2Suby

 

[X-it]

Wow this is just retarded.


http://www.thegwpf.com/germany-faced-huge-cost-of-wind-farm-decommissioning/

 

[Mike270412]

Don't think they figure in dismantling costs when greenies brag about how awesome wind power is.

 

[skegpro]

Don't think they figure in dismantling costs when greenies brag about how awesome wind power is.

And only a 20 year life span.

 

[X-it]

Don't think they figure in dismantling costs when greenies brag about how awesome wind power is.

I don't think they counted on people posting true power generated from these units either, these figures should be hidden from the public if they want to continue to baffle us with bull****. I know i had no idea these figures would be this low.

 

[Stg2Suby]

Well wind generation much better today, 784MW current generation. Maybe yesterday was unusually calm? Wish I could find a report that trended the wind generation over a long period of time.. Buddy at work says the system operator typically expects to average around 30% of full nameplate contribution from a wind farm.

 

[team dirt]

Well wind generation much better today, 784MW current generation. Maybe yesterday was unusually calm? Wish I could find a report that trended the wind generation over a long period of time.. Buddy at work says the system operator typically expects to average around 30% of full nameplate contribution from a wind farm.

Sad that’s less than 10% of our total average daily demand. That’s a lot of land and Rescources used to make that little amount of power when you compare it to coal or natural gas power that can consistently create power

 

[X-it]

They even lie on the name plate ...28% power is the average for a wind mill from the name plate. Coal fired plants are at name plate values, some even more than than name plate. How can you get true numbers when your being lied to and all the subsidies and true costs are being swept under the rug. Jesus it feels like windmills are being run exactly the same way Justin Trudeau is running Canada. Even the power from them is dirty power.

 

[X-it]

Total windmill output today is 17 mw. solar is sweet f-all

 

[Stg2Suby]

Winds been pumping last 2 days over 800MW per AESO, sure varies. I'm going to start a new thread "Wind Power" to keep it separate from this solar power topic.

 

[52weekbreak]

The challenge with any renewable energy source is storage. Electricity is the world's largest supply chain without any capacity for storage so supply is always carefully choreographed to provide the balance between supply and demand. They electricity you are using right now was generated seconds ago. A cheap functioning grid battery will make the intermittent power from renewable sources useful first as as buffers during large demand swings and, if largely available, can serve to smooth out the demand curve. This is the holy grail and Ambri seems to be getting very close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqmMOkANgg

 

[Cdnfireman]

The challenge with any renewable energy source is storage. Electricity is the world's largest supply chain without any capacity for storage so supply is always carefully choreographed to provide the balance between supply and demand. They electricity you are using right now was generated seconds ago. A cheap functioning grid battery will make the intermittent power from renewable sources useful first as as buffers during large demand swings and, if largely available, can serve to smooth out the demand curve. This is the holy grail and Ambri seems to be getting very close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqmMOkANgg

Close with what? Like most of these pie in the sky battery companies there’s lots of hype and almost no information. Very few of these companies last past the expiration of their grant money.

 

[ABMax24]

The challenge with any renewable energy source is storage. Electricity is the world's largest supply chain without any capacity for storage so supply is always carefully choreographed to provide the balance between supply and demand. They electricity you are using right now was generated seconds ago. A cheap functioning grid battery will make the intermittent power from renewable sources useful first as as buffers during large demand swings and, if largely available, can serve to smooth out the demand curve. This is the holy grail and Ambri seems to be getting very close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqmMOkANgg

Cost seems to be the major thing holding this technology back. Tesla has come a long way so far, their powerwall 2 was a huge jump over the powerwall 1, and they keep predicting the costs to come down. Problem is there is no competition out there that rivals Tesla to force them to bring their prices down. Actually not to long ago Tesla raised prices on the powerwall citing it represents "current market value".

Having watched a lot of different reviews online they are amazing what they can do, with a lot of people using 80%+ of their energy from their own solar panels by storing it for nighttime use. Might be something I will look at eventually too, but going to try out Solar Panels alone first.

 

[X-it]

First thing that....has.... to start happening, is to quit hiding the money and subsidies and start posting the true output of power from solar and wind. If you just keep pouring good money after bad into a something trying to make it seem viable this is just plain wrong, it is the Trudeau way, but it is unethical and wrong. Hopefully one day they can make hydrogen cheaply.

 

[ABMax24]

The true output on any commercial solar or wind installation in Alberta is open for public viewing in real time, as well any time I want to find the particulars of grant money used on a project it's fairly easy to find online, at least in Alberta.

I'm curious as to why you suggest hydrogen? I think the boat sailed on that a while ago, lithium ion batteries seem to be better in almost every way.

 

[Cdnfireman]

It’s been demonstrated time after time, place after place all over the world. Green energy projects are only financially feasible when huge government subsidies and sweetheart power usage deals are provided. Left to stand on their own merits and finances, they fail every time. Add to that the fact that every green energy project has to have a conventional power generation source on standby for the majority of the time that the green projects don’t produce their rated output. When the environmental costs of building, supplying and then installing these white elephants is added in any notion that these things will ever dig themselves out of the holes that were dug to create them is idiotic. At best They’re a feel good effort to play to the environmental wingnut crowd, and at worst it’s a way to funnel huge amounts of tax dollars into the hands of a few rich industrialists and their shareholders.
If it makes you feel good to install a solar system, good for you, hopefully you sleep well dreaming about it, but it’s ultimately a net negative for everyone.

 

[jhurkot]

It’s been demonstrated time after time, place after place all over the world. Green energy projects are only financially feasible when huge government subsidies and sweetheart power usage deals are provided. Left to stand on their own merits and finances, they fail every time.

Oil has never been subsidized ever right?

 

[Stg2Suby]

Great comments. I'm now convinced we need a separate thread "Electric Utilities and Green Power" to discuss this stuff.

 

[Cdnfireman]

It has for sure. But compare the amount of subsidies given the oil industry compared to the green energy industry and then compare the amount of tax revenues, jobs created and wealth generated. No comparison.

 

[X-it]

The true output on any commercial solar or wind installation in Alberta is open for public viewing in real time, as well any time I want to find the particulars of grant money used on a project it's fairly easy to find online, at least in Alberta.

I'm curious as to why you suggest hydrogen? I think the boat sailed on that a while ago, lithium ion batteries seem to be better in almost every way.

None of the cost for the 901 wind mills is available to see or their subsidies as well as the solar arrays in BC where they diverted construction money into a solar farm hiding the cost, the wind mill power generation from BC is not available to see, Solar power has been at 0 for months now. My comment about hydrogen is because of the break through they discovered in last few months. How much is true or BS ..not sure. Lithium Ion batteries not sure they are even remotely close to being called green, lets sweep that one under the rug.