So when will the Keystone XL pipeline will be approved?

[grizzlymud]

We don't have the refineries, we don't have the manpower to build them, and we don't have the time. There is a ZERO percent chance of refining what the what will be produced, ZERO.

We could put all the production increases on hold for 10-20 years while we build the infrastructure to refine here in Canada... We already have a massive labour shortage.



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Think lots of that has to do with the fact that everything is cost plus and work ethic is not there. Any day you can look around where I work and see half of the contractors doing nothing but walking around. Especially once it is getting close to the end of the job, you can watch production go from say 6 things a day to 1. This is just stupid, the workers are all worried hey jobs over now need to find something else to do but in reality there is so much work to do they have no clue. One example of this, everyone thinks our plant welders are slackers but they would average think was 16" a day and the contractors were doing 2.5". Just think this way of thinking is why everything is moving to overseas.

 

[eclipse1966]

Think lots of that has to do with the fact that everything is cost plus and work ethic is not there. Any day you can look around where I work and see half of the contractors doing nothing but walking around. Especially once it is getting close to the end of the job, you can watch production go from say 6 things a day to 1. This is just stupid, the workers are all worried hey jobs over now need to find something else to do but in reality there is so much work to do they have no clue. One example of this, everyone thinks our plant welders are slackers but they would average think was 16" a day and the contractors were doing 2.5". Just think this way of thinking is why everything is moving to overseas.

I hate to say it but I think you are right about the work ethic here in Canada has gone down the tube in recent years. Maybe too good of times and easy money. I travel a fair bit to poorer countries for work and see the difference. In Peru for example I have see women at 65 years hauling 100 lb coffee bean bags on their backs. The men carry them like it was a pillow filled with feathers. I know this is extreme comparison but we do have it good living in Canada.

 

[sledhead_2002]

not 100% on topic but tells the story
Be Sure to read the ending.........................

sorry lol, copy and paste not working

 

[imdoo'n]

not 10% on topic but tells the story
Be Sure to read the ending.........................

god when will it end?

 

[ferniesnow]

not 10% on topic but tells the story
Be Sure to read the ending.........................

where is the "read"???????

 

[imdoo'n]

lookslike it ended before the read part.

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

So why can't this oil be refined in Canada before it goes to port????????????? And yes I am quite familiar with supply versus demand in fact I "hear" about supply and demand everyday when I pay 20 cents a litre more for fuel than some guy in Vancouver and I live where we work our azzes off to get it out of the ground.

Not sure when you were in BC or Vancouver last....Average Vanc price 1.41 vs Edmonton 1.03

I used www.GasBuddy.com they have a map of Canada and one of the US, re gas pricing Alberta's on the lower end, in Canada....Now we may be on the lower end but it's still to darn high....vs the barrel of oil price, gas price rose when the barrel price went up, but didn’t drop equally when the barrel price came back down...it's the WTMWB conspiracy “What the market will bare”

 

[sledhead_2002]

Be Sure to read the ending.........................


See the editorial under the last picture. That says it all!




The Emma Maersk, part of a Danish shipping line, is shown in the photos below.




What a ship....no wonder 'Made in China ' is displacing North American made goods big time. This monster transports goods across the Pacific in just 5 days!!
This is one of three ships presently in service, with another two ships commissioned to be completed in 2012.





These ships were commissioned by Wal-Mart to get all their goods and stuff from China . They hold an incredible 15,000 containers and have a 207 foot deck beam!!
The full crew is just 13 people on a ship longer than a US Aircraft Carrier (which has a crew of 5,000). With it's 207' beam it is too big to fit through the Panama or Suez Canals ...



It is strictly transpacific. Cruise speed: 31 knots.


The goods arrive 4 days before the typical container ship (18-20 knots) on a China-to-California run. 91% of Wal-Mart products are made in China . So this behemoth is hugely competitive even when carrying perishable goods.


The ship was built in five sections. The sections floated together and then welded.


The command bridge is higher than a 10-story building and has 11 cargo crane rigs that can operate simultaneously unloading the entire ship in less than two hours.







Additional info:


Country of origin - Denmark
Length - 1,302 ft
Width - 207 ft
Net cargo - 123,200 tons
Engine - 14 cylinders in-line diesel engine (110,000 BHP)
Cruise Speed - 31 knots
Cargo capacity - 15,000 TEU (1 TEU = 20 cubic feet)
Crew - 13 people !
First Trip - Sept. 08, 2006
Construction cost - US $145,000,000+

Silicone painting applied to the ship bottom reduces water resistance and saves 317,000 gallons of diesel per year.


Editorial Comment!


A recent documentary in late March, 2010 on the History Channel noted that all of these containers are shipped back to China , EMPTY. Yep, that's right.
We send nothing back on these ships. What does that tell you about the current financial state of this country? Just keep buying those imported goods (mostly gadgets) until you run out of money.


Then you may wonder what the cause of unemployment (maybe even your job) in the U.S. and Canada might be????




Sorry pics not attaching!

 

[ferniesnow]

Wow! and like I said a few posts ago.....we can't compete! There is no way on god's green earth that North American business of any sort could compete with that. Maybe those ships should stop in Vancouver and pick up our raw logs and the future oil from the port in Bella Bella or wherever it will be.

There could be Canadian jobs at the ports at least, if the friggin' guys could work fast enough......

 

[eclipse1966]

Be Sure to read the ending.........................


See the editorial under the last picture. That says it all!




The Emma Maersk, part of a Danish shipping line, is shown in the photos below.




What a ship....no wonder 'Made in China ' is displacing North American made goods big time. This monster transports goods across the Pacific in just 5 days!!
This is one of three ships presently in service, with another two ships commissioned to be completed in 2012.





These ships were commissioned by Wal-Mart to get all their goods and stuff from China . They hold an incredible 15,000 containers and have a 207 foot deck beam!!
The full crew is just 13 people on a ship longer than a US Aircraft Carrier (which has a crew of 5,000). With it's 207' beam it is too big to fit through the Panama or Suez Canals ...



It is strictly transpacific. Cruise speed: 31 knots.


The goods arrive 4 days before the typical container ship (18-20 knots) on a China-to-California run. 91% of Wal-Mart products are made in China . So this behemoth is hugely competitive even when carrying perishable goods.


The ship was built in five sections. The sections floated together and then welded.


The command bridge is higher than a 10-story building and has 11 cargo crane rigs that can operate simultaneously unloading the entire ship in less than two hours.







Additional info:


Country of origin - Denmark
Length - 1,302 ft
Width - 207 ft
Net cargo - 123,200 tons
Engine - 14 cylinders in-line diesel engine (110,000 BHP)
Cruise Speed - 31 knots
Cargo capacity - 15,000 TEU (1 TEU = 20 cubic feet)
Crew - 13 people !
First Trip - Sept. 08, 2006
Construction cost - US $145,000,000+

Silicone painting applied to the ship bottom reduces water resistance and saves 317,000 gallons of diesel per year.


Editorial Comment!


A recent documentary in late March, 2010 on the History Channel noted that all of these containers are shipped back to China , EMPTY. Yep, that's right.
We send nothing back on these ships. What does that tell you about the current financial state of this country? Just keep buying those imported goods (mostly gadgets) until you run out of money.


Then you may wonder what the cause of unemployment (maybe even your job) in the U.S. and Canada might be????




Sorry pics not attaching!

the funny thing is that they built these ships for fast transit time but found that they are pushing them too hard and burning way too much bunker fuel than originally calculated. So now they have brought the speed down to approx 22 knots which is where they find them the most efficient.
As a side note, the Americans also get a huge break on freight compared to us here in Canada. To ship a ctr of waste paper to China from PSW (pacific south west) ports it costs approx. $700.00 per '40 ft can. For waste paper from Vancouver it is over $1200.00. Also, these ships do not leave 100% empty back to China. They are loaded with N.American scap metal, waste paper to name a few....unfortunately low value products.

 

[ferniesnow]

Another article for pondering............I noticed the Sierra Club is not involved unless of course one of the others mentioned is a subsidiary......

 

[eclipse1966]

Another article for pondering............I noticed the Sierra Club is not involved unless of course one of the others mentioned is a subsidiary......

IMO they should have waited for the green light before moving ahead. I support the pipeline but I also think all parties should follow proper protocol. This just gives the environmentalists more media time slot to sell their arguments.

 

[Billy Boy]

If the Keystone gets approved (and I think it will) the enviromentalists will be focusing their attention on the Gateway pipeline when that approval process starts. The environmentalists will be howling like you have never heard them howl before!!!

Billy Boy

 

[eclipse1966]

Boy this is getting more and more attn south of the border. I like the senator's comment as follows. Well put!


"We have a supply (of oil) to our north that, to me, is just like finding it in America," Graham said. "Dirty oil is buying oil from someone who takes the money and sponsors terrorism and tries to make the world a dark and sinister place to live."


Rejecting pipeline would be huge 'policy blunder': U.S. senator

 

[steveo10]

Hmmm dirty oil

How quickly they forgot that little oopsy in the gulf

 

[Summiteer]

Something my Sister sent me to read: (Link to the original newspaper article at the end)

There has been a lot of talk about the safety of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline.
I am not an environmentalist, but as a civil engineer and an inspector for TransCanada during the construction of the first Keystone pipeline, I've had an uncomfortable front-row seat to the disaster that Keystone XL could bring about all along its pathway.
Despite its boosters' advertising, this project is not about jobs or energy security. It is about money. And whenever my former employer Bechtel, working on behalf of TransCanada, had to choose between safety and saving money, they chose to save money.
As an inspector, my job was to monitor the construction of the first Keystone pipeline. I oversaw construction at the pump stations that have been such a problem on that line, which has already spilled more than a dozen times. I am coming forward because my kids encouraged me to tell the truth about what was done and covered up.
When I last raised concerns about corners being cut, I lost my job — but people along the Keystone XL pathway have a lot more to lose if this project moves forward with the same shoddy work.

What did I see? Cheap foreign steel that cracked when workers tried to weld it, foundations for pump stations that you would never consider using in your own home, fudged safety tests, Bechtel staffers explaining away leaks during pressure tests as "not too bad," shortcuts on the steel and rebar that are essential for safe pipeline operation and siting of facilities on completely inappropriate spots like wetlands.
I shared these concerns with my bosses, who communicated them to the bigwigs at TransCanada, but nothing changed. TransCanada didn't appear to care. That is why I was not surprised to hear about the big spill in Ludden, N.D., where a 60-foot plume of crude spewed tens of thousands of gallons of toxic tar sands oil and fouled neighboring fields.
TransCanada says that the performance has been OK. Fourteen spills is not so bad. And that the pump stations don't really count. That is all bunk. This thing shouldn't be leaking like a sieve in its first year — what do you think happens decades from now after moving billions of barrels of the most corrosive oil on the planet?
Let's be clear — I am an engineer; I am not telling you we shouldn't build pipelines. We just should not build this one.
Pipelines can and do stand the test of time, but TransCanada already has shown that they cannot. After working on engineering projects all over the world, I can tell you that a company that cared about safety would not follow these types of practices.
If it were a car, the first Keystone would be a lemon. And it would be far worse to double down on a proven loser with Keystone XL.
The stories of how TransCanada has bullied landowners in Nebraska rings true to me. I am living it, as well. After repeatedly telling the contractor and TransCanada about my concerns, I lost my job.
But I couldn't watch silently as a company put innocent people at risk with a haphazardly built pipeline. I am speaking out on behalf of my children and your children.
Oil spills are no joke. We need to do all we can to protect our water and our food. I am glad the Nebraska Legislature stepped up to protect Nebraskans. I can only hope that they stand up to TransCanada. We should all take a hard look at the damage that this pipeline will do. I should know; I've seen it in person.
Please do not sell out to foreign oil and foreign suppliers. There is no guarantee the product will stay in the United States, only the toxic waste. God bless the United States and those of us who still believe in the fact that her people matter.


Read more: Mike Klink: Keystone XL pipeline not safe

 

[snopro]

Interesting read....

 

[eclipse1966]

why would this surprise anyone. Look what happened to the BP oil rig from half ass work done.

 

[old mountain man]

I find it interesting that there are no comments on the fact the owners of the oil should be able to sell it for the highest price? A lot of
the owners are American integrated oil companies with excess refining space on the gulf coast. It would not make sense for them to construct
refining capacity here and then have to ship the refined product elsewhere. The Alberta Government is an owner with their royalty share and
have talked of a refinery in partnership with C.N.R.L. to help with recent refined product shortages. That would likely make sense.