Skidoo Turbo Issue with bogging at times Deep Snow

[RGM]

It sure seems like BRP needs to have a recorder device that dealers can put on the ECM to track down these intermitant problems.

 

[snoflake]

Neighbour picked up
His turbo freeride and made it 6km and motor grenaded takin it back to the shop tommoro now thats a piss off lol

Lets hope he can get parts for it. That will be the next thing.

 

[sledneck__11]

Lets hope he can get parts for it. That will be the next thing.

Least he got 6km
On it lol some boys in the area here might not be seeing there snochecks till end of jan at that point i would want my deposit back honestly

 

[Caper11]

You’ve got to be kidding….?!

So BRP doesn’t trust its own dealer (and a large one like Martin’s) to break paint on certain items to fix a problem? Tells me to avoid BRP like the plague.

$20-25k unit that doesn’t run correctly for 2 years. Doesn’t matter what manufacturer it is…they should be doing more. How much time and money has Ron spent on mountian trips only to know that when in the steep and deep, the sled is probably not going to run properly. You’d think that someone at Martin’s would be getting tired of seeing this unit continually on the doorstep. Hey Snopro -what’s the purpose of the “engineering team” at Kuster’s? One would think that Martin’s would deliver it there for them to look at??

That’s the process, BRP trusts their dealers, they don’t t trust the customers, that like to mess with a good thing.

 

[Pistonbroke]

the unfortunate thing about having this fantastic factory turbo technology available to us is that in order to make sure these machines aren't tampered with to make more power the service procedures have also changed. I am speaking specifically to all of the paint marks that are on the turbo machines. Gone are the days of pulling parts from a floor model to test and try until you get it sorted out, this is no longer puling carbs off a machine and putting them on another. If the paint mark is broken all of these procedures have to now be carefully documented at the dealer and follow in BRP order of operations or these machines could easily be put out of warranty. Its a catch 22 as its in place to protect our 3 year warranty's on factory turbos but when these tricky situations arise it certainly takes a lot longer to diagnose and resolve.

Hmmm…. Seems like a localized problem inherent to Quebec sleds. Sucks guys… hope you sort it out.

 

[MP Kid]

That’s the process, BRP trusts their dealers, they don’t t trust the customers, that like to mess with a good thing.

One part at a time….?

Clearly they don’t know what the problem is…. And definitely don’t trust the dealer either.

 

[turboetech]

I would be yankin the plugs out of the machine when this condition occurs… are both cylinders going fat or just one…. Back to the basics spark air fuel…. There aint no paint marks on your plugs

 

[bendy]

I would be yankin the plugs out of the machine when this condition occurs… are both cylinders going fat or just one…. Back to the basics spark air fuel…. There aint no paint marks on your plugs

There will be... the negative electrode has to be positioned correctly. That and the hood removed. I’ve found a box end wrench works best. Kind of a big deal to check plugs. Time consuming anyhow. Lots quicker at home in the shop. I guess you can always pack cordless tools.

 

[snopro]

You’ve got to be kidding….?!

So BRP doesn’t trust its own dealer (and a large one like Martin’s) to break paint on certain items to fix a problem? Tells me to avoid BRP like the plague.

$20-25k unit that doesn’t run correctly for 2 years. Doesn’t matter what manufacturer it is…they should be doing more. How much time and money has Ron spent on mountian trips only to know that when in the steep and deep, the sled is probably not going to run properly. You’d think that someone at Martin’s would be getting tired of seeing this unit continually on the doorstep. Hey Snopro -what’s the purpose of the “engineering team” at Kuster’s? One would think that Martin’s would deliver it there for them to look at??

Their purpose is working on new product and testing it. CKMP replaced Chris Ruske's facility in Grand Lake Colorado a few years ago now. I'm not sure if there are peeps there all the time or if they fly back and forth? Carl would be the one to ask that. I don't know if they do that or if what I saw was a one off thing? Is my old buddy Gerry Holte still at Martins? He was on the committee with me and probably the smartest tech I ever knew in the industry.

 

[bendy]

Did this issue start at the beginning? I assume with 2700km it’s had plugs changed at least once?

 

[turboetech]

There will be... the negative electrode has to be positioned correctly. That and the hood removed. I’ve found a box end wrench works best. Kind of a big deal to check plugs. Time consuming anyhow. Lots quicker at home in the shop. I guess you can always pack cordless tools.

Only need a spark plug wrench or yes box end but the rest is in tool kit provided…. If you work on your own chit… pretty simple….I carry torx and more tools than prob most….and yes clock the plugs

 

[bendy]

Only need a spark plug wrench or yes box end but the rest is in tool kit provided…. If you work on your own chit… pretty simple….I carry torx and more tools than prob most….and yes clock the plugs

Yup I’m an Auto Tech and have all the tools required on my machine. For me no sweat off my balls. For some guy who cringes at doing mechanical repairs... might be a little frustrating?!

 

[rknight111]

Did this issue start at the beginning? I assume with 2700km it’s had plugs changed at least once?

This issue started on the first trip two Belle in McBride. The plugs were just changed by the dealer. I'll have the dealer do a few things, change the plug wires and just checking on the exhaust module, Ill get that changed too if its not expensive and available. Anyone know that part number of a module attached to the exhaust system

 

[sledneck__11]

that well and truly sucks. i wonder if it was related to the oil pump/ecu compensation number update?
when i picked up my turbo freeride the update wasn't done and i had to learn about it on the forums and then educate them.
my sled had the ecu set to 8 which pumps the least amount of oil.

Make that 2 850 turbos down now with motors both from same dealer its prob related to this issue i imagine dealer overlooked it and now 2 sad boys are 12 hours away from home and no sleds to ride after 25 gs each

 

[bendy]

Sometimes I miss the days of the old clam shell hoods... but not for handling or performance!

 

[bendy]

Make that 2 850 turbos down now with motors both from same dealer its prob related to this issue i imagine dealer overlooked it and now 2 sad boys are 12 hours away from home and no sleds to ride after 25 gs each

That would be my guess. If it was... I would be pissed ‘cause of the incompetence!

 

[snopro]

That would be my guess. If it was... I would be pissed ‘cause of the incompetence!

Yep thats unacceptable.

 

[Caper11]

Make that 2 850 turbos down now with motors both from same dealer its prob related to this issue i imagine dealer overlooked it and now 2 sad boys are 12 hours away from home and no sleds to ride after 25 gs each

Are they stock?

 

[sledneck__11]

Are they stock?

Picked up at dealer and drove to bc one had 6kms other one ill say under 200 as there both 2022 850 turbos

 

[snoflake]

Man that would sucks, Did they have have the recall? someone mentioned earlier that some of them revert to low oil right after break in if the recall isn't done? Just rumors, but if I actually had my F^%King sled I would be rolling it through the dealer to ensure the recall was done.