Ski-Doo's Motors

[Old Boy]

Been reading this forum for awhile and have been with ski-doo for 40 plus years. What have they done with their motors? They used to be bullet proof. Could get away with all kinds of bad treatment. Have a 1991 617 and have run it hard for a lot of years still gose strong. Main jets in this motor are 560 and 540 ,that shows that it dose things that are not normal. Now a brand new ski-doo 3000 km. and needs a new motor? Why would you buy it???? Cost of running per km. Way out of line. Hope ski-doo has fixed this for 2012.

 

[TROLLCAT]

In my dragster 1973 cat chasis 1998 583 doo motor and I punch between 5 to 10 pounds of NOS though it every season , it is one tough motor have got wins in the 900 Mod class with it

 

[maxwell]

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yep theres a few bad ones. there is in every brand.. our group knock on wood has about 15xp machines all with 4000-7000km. all origional motors and all checkout fine. yes we have had one failure in 2008. ill admit that year had a few issues iwth the crank aswell as 2007.
we take care of our sleds. perhaps thats why they last and i keep reading all this crap on here. proper warmup, seasonal maintenance and good quality oils are all these motors ask for.

the otherthing you forgot to mention is HP. DOES YOUR 617 make 160hp? no. is it 480lbs? no. every year we demand lighter weight and more hp. in a smaller package.


i too have a mxz 380 with over 11000km on it!!! amazing right? because i want to ride that around all dauy with a 3 inch 174 track...........what have they done to these new motors!!!

let me go get my 617 bigbore. ill show you whos boss out there.

if i can squeeze 6000+km out of a stock skidoo motor and just throw in a set of pistons in a 160hp sled im fine with that. maybe your not but then it sounds like your going to want a 4 stroke.

they all suck and they all blow up. skidoo holds the majority of the snwomobile market. they probly have the exact same failure rate as any other brand but have 30% more sleds on the hill.

and with a 3 year warranty. who cares. cant complain about a 3 year warranty on a 2 stroke.

also. the only news your going to read on a snowmobile website is BAD NEWS. no one comes on a snowmobilewebsite to say that there skidoo or cat has 11000km(except me) and they love it to peices. nooo typically they are angry and looking to vent about there newly blown up doo motor which is an isolated event. go read in the polaris section about the 2008/9 dragons! they all have issues!

 

[Chiebert]

Hahaha. Maxwell you crack me up. You have some good posts!

 

[tex78]

its no different than all the new trucks........... they are getting so much power out of that the reliblility is gone

 

[takethebounce]

Hahaha. Maxwell you crack me up. You have some good posts!

But for the most part, its true. When 6 out of 10 sleds on the hill are Doo's, there is going to be higher rate of failures reported.

Aside from a recall on some 2011 Etecs, there weren't many reported failures. I don't think I have seen anyone report crank failures on the 2010's. Deffinetly no major drive shaft issues on the '09.

Is BRP perfect? heck no, but they still sell a lot of sleds.

 

[Himark]

yep...they all fawkin suck! they all break. all in different areas i have found too.

rev's= nuns
xp's= belts, isoflex bearings
mseries= a arms, steering posts, dd
yamaha= being stock
polaris=mapping/motor

if i could have one sled...dream sled....

yamaha built
arctic cats 800 motor
doo's chassis
poo's suspension

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

i will admit this, the new cat HAS to perform. the xp's flat out climb. cat has the trees/boondocking poo has the hard hits but the xp's have the king of the mtn...if everything is stock form. at least in my experience any ways.



but in the end...they are all JUNK, especially for what we pay for the fawkin things...lol

 

[Himark]

really 6 out 0f 10 sleds are doo? thats a bit of a stretch no? i see just as many cats as i do doo's on the hills. i dont know just seems a bit high. thats more than 1 out of 2 sleds...

 

[LID]

MTN sleds suck, powder sucks, everyone should buy old MXZ's and race across the lake.
Leave the pow for me!

 

[takethebounce]

Its not really that hard to fathom. But looking at the current model sales reported by the manufacturers, and over the past 4 seasons, BRP has held over P of the market. Cat closely behind, and gaining more ground each year, especially in the Mountain section (as reported by Cat last year, they held the highest market share for 2010 sales in the West). Of course, this includes all models sold by the brand and the flatlanders buy many more sleds than the people in the West and the US market selling more than the Canadian. Still though, this can account for a higher reported issues in the Ski-doo line up by volume of units being sold.

You won't find one source of data that details each market's share in sales, but by visiting a few sites and visiting manufacturer sites you can find sales figures. Could on any given day there be one brand that has more presence at your local riding area over another, sure, but looking at the entire market the numbers are valid.

The only real way to consider your local area brand loyalty war is have rider poll at the head of your trail heads for an entire season. And that could even change the next season, or what if one group of riders, rides more this year then next.

Someone could create a quick Snow&Mud poll, and get a fair reading on what brand of sleds the forum members actually ride. But that is only accurate to the people using this forum.

 

[Modman]

I wish sledders put as much effort into saving riding areas as they do to arguing about who's sled is better with the keyboard. Ride what you got and who fawkin' cares about the rest, not sure why people have to justify on the internet why they think their sled is better than all the others. "Show how much go you got on the snow"...... 'cause you can't highmark an internet server.

 

[JaySimon]

I wish sledders put as much effort into saving riding areas as they do to arguing about who's sled is better with the keyboard. Ride what you got and who fawkin' cares about the rest, not sure why people have to justify on the internet why they think their sled is better than all the others. "Show how much go you got on the snow"...... 'cause you can't highmark an internet server.

I dunno man, I can throw my modem pretty frickin high.

Likely higher than you.......

 

[Himark]

Its not really that hard to fathom. But looking at the current model sales reported by the manufacturers, and over the past 4 seasons, BRP has held over P of the market. Cat closely behind, and gaining more ground each year, especially in the Mountain section (as reported by Cat last year, they held the highest market share for 2010 sales in the West). Of course, this includes all models sold by the brand and the flatlanders buy many more sleds than the people in the West and the US market selling more than the Canadian. Still though, this can account for a higher reported issues in the Ski-doo line up by volume of units being sold.

You won't find one source of data that details each market's share in sales, but by visiting a few sites and visiting manufacturer sites you can find sales figures. Could on any given day there be one brand that has more presence at your local riding area over another, sure, but looking at the entire market the numbers are valid.

The only real way to consider your local area brand loyalty war is have rider poll at the head of your trail heads for an entire season. And that could even change the next season, or what if one group of riders, rides more this year then next.

Someone could create a quick Snow&Mud poll, and get a fair reading on what brand of sleds the forum members actually ride. But that is only accurate to the people using this forum.

from Ontario...northern Ontario....one of the best trail systems in the world. your bang on about doo there. seem to be everywhere, believe it or not...a ch!t ton of yammies too.

out here in bc, just found that there are a ch!t ton of cats. im no loyalist, i love the xp. but id say there is a pretty close margin between doo and cat in the mountain segment. 6 outta 10 just seemed high, not callin you out or anything...cheers

 

[Himark]

I dunno man, I can throw my modem pretty frickin high.

Likely higher than you.......

lol!!!

 

[JaySimon]

from Ontario...northern Ontario....one of the best trail systems in the world. your bang on about doo there. seem to be everywhere, believe it or not...a ch!t ton of yammies too.

out here in bc, just found that there are a ch!t ton of cats. im no loyalist, i love the xp. but id say there is a pretty close margin between doo and cat in the mountain segment. 6 outta 10 just seemed high, not callin you out or anything...cheers

Yea, it seems to differ wherever you are. Round these parts, Cat is king. The dealership is incredible, the service is awesome and I see why people go that route. Heck, unless Doo opens a shop in town soon, my next machine will be a cat. Waiting on/paying extra to ship parts is bogus. Winter is only so long and I sure don't want to miss a day that I might not had we access to parts in town.

 

[imdoo'n]

its no different than all the new trucks........... they are getting so much power out of that the reliblility is gone

not so much with the chev they have no power so should last for a couple months

 

[Chiebert]

not so much with the chev they have no power so should last for a couple months

HAHAHAHA! Chev has no power... You wish.

 

[Old Boy]

That 617 cranked out 141 HP. done by fast. Track had 2 inch nylon bolted on it. So may be that make's todays paddle trackesol news.Ha Ha Loooooooooooooooooooooooooo?

 

[sledshedrevy]

was talking to a dealer in the states and asked him , what kind of milage do you see out of the 08/09's, flat country , he said that they had lots that saw the 30ths mile to 40 ths miles . wow i siad . but in thinking about it it made sence . they spin a 121 or 136 , low profile tracks . cruseing trails at sub 7000rpm . not really any load versus the 2.5 x 163 x 16 inch track pulling deep snow and slope doing max rpm and going no were forward speed wise .
kinda like a truck working in the mud versus the pavement , which will last longer .
they build them for the largest market that they sell to and it isnt he mtns market .

 

[overkill131313]

was talking to a dealer in the states and asked him , what kind of milage do you see out of the 08/09's, flat country , he said that they had lots that saw the 30ths mile to 40 ths miles . wow i siad . but in thinking about it it made sence . they spin a 121 or 136 , low profile tracks . cruseing trails at sub 7000rpm . not really any load versus the 2.5 x 163 x 16 inch track pulling deep snow and slope doing max rpm and going no were forward speed wise .
kinda like a truck working in the mud versus the pavement , which will last longer .
they build them for the largest market that they sell to and it isnt he mtns market .

Really......30-40 000 miles on a flat lander sled....... 2 or 4 stroke? the mountains are that hard on our sleds......some one should build a "mountain" engine that is more durable.....it might weight a little more but 30-40 000 miles......heck 20 000 would be great.......oh wait.......Yamy does! lol sorry had to say it! lol