Sidewinder Susoension Set up

[Justin]

Hey just looking for shock set ups for my Winder.

Read a bunch of older posts but thought Id see what guys are running now.

Trying to eliminate too much ski lift, wheelies bad!
And stop the trenching. It likes to dig holes.

Stock Fox Float 3's all around.

What PSI's?

Where should the limiter strap be? It's loose now.

Whats the best , easiest to use Lock Out?

Should I change centre shock spring?

Or whats a good shock upgrade from stock?

 

[Lunch_Box]

Since you have a coil front skid shock you will most likely want to change it out. Unless you are about 150lbs geared up. Zbrozs makes a spring that works well as well as Sting Ray mods. I am running a Baker rear skid as well so I can't help with the rest as I have mine setup as per Darryl's recommendation. If you are wanting a lockout, CR Racing makes a simple device that works.

 

[Justin]

Where are you running the limiter strap?

 

[Lunch_Box]

Where are you running the limiter strap?

I am pretty sure the loosest setting, but I would have to verify.

 

[06 Dragon]

Pm Catman 10. I believe that he has his dialed in quite well. He removed his baker skid, re installed the stock suspension with the lock out shock, also changed out the shocks on the front end. I am unsure what his front end set up is.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Hey just looking for shock set ups for my Winder.

Read a bunch of older posts but thought Id see what guys are running now.

Trying to eliminate too much ski lift, wheelies bad!
And stop the trenching. It likes to dig holes.

Stock Fox Float 3's all around.

What PSI's?

Where should the limiter strap be? It's loose now.

Whats the best , easiest to use Lock Out?

Should I change centre shock spring?

Or whats a good shock upgrade from stock?

Using what you have on your stocker, I would try this for a baseline:

Ski shocks: 75psi
Center shock: max preload or maybe one notch down from max
Limiter: halfway between max loose and max tight.
Rear: set this for your weight and how aggressive you run the sled so you're not bottoming out.

If your goal is outright wheelie elimination, these will help: soften front skid spring, increase rear shock PSI, tighten limiter strap.

What year is your 'Winder?

 

[Justin]

Perfect thanks! It's an 18.
I ended up getting used QS3's, and Zbros heavy front spring, and the lockout.
Just going to mount them soon.
I want to keep the skis down as much as possible, I / It had a real hard time on any climbs or tree riding. Couldn't stop the trenching, and wheelied quite bad, had zero control lol.

 

[Catman10]

My sled is quite different as I run the 174 track but with that being said follow what Piston broke said and if you have a lockout shock for the rear the #3 setting will keep your front end down as much as it can but it will still wheelie with the 162 somewhat. I don't like to play around in the bowls and small hills in lockout as it does add ski pressure but for climbs it works great, suck that front limiter strap up until you don't like how much ski pressure it adds and you should fix as much of the problem as you can, good luck!

 

[shawnmcgr]

I've got a related question, thought I'd put it in here rather than starting a new thread.

I just picked up a holdover 17 Sidewinder. I'm coming off a 16 xm and have never had air shocks, other than on my MTN bike, which I love. Previous to the XM I rode a supercharged Apex for 10yrs at 8psi.

I've been trying to find settings to help the front end roll side to side like my XM did. I ran both my Apex and XM front shocks very soft. I bled the frt down to 65psi and it felt worse than 85psi. The sled just seen to want to stay flat, more so than my Apex.

The front end of a sled seems like the wrong place to have shocks with a progressive spring rate. Thinking about trying coil overs to get to a linear spring rate.

I'm looking to reduce effort to roll the sled on its side. Think coil overs would help?

Current setup:
75psi front
Firmest seeing on front skid coil
150psi rear fix
Limiter strap full lose.

I'm 230 with riding gear.

 

[MK4TDI]

I've got a related question, thought I'd put it in here rather than starting a new thread.

I just picked up a holdover 17 Sidewinder. I'm coming off a 16 xm and have never had air shocks, other than on my MTN bike, which I love. Previous to the XM I rode a supercharged Apex for 10yrs at 8psi.

I've been trying to find settings to help the front end roll side to side like my XM did. I ran both my Apex and XM front shocks very soft. I bled the frt down to 65psi and it felt worse than 85psi. The sled just seen to want to stay flat, more so than my Apex.

The front end of a sled seems like the wrong place to have shocks with a progressive spring rate. Thinking about trying coil overs to get to a linear spring rate.

I'm looking to reduce effort to roll the sled on its side. Think coil overs would help?

Current setup:
75psi front
Firmest seeing on front skid coil
150psi rear fix
Limiter strap full lose.

I'm 230 with riding gear.

Do you have the Zbroz or Sting Ray front track shock spring installed ? If not I would reccomend putting one in, it helps with weight transfer and lightening up the front end which I found helped with carving and getting on edge.

 

[shawnmcgr]

Do you have the Zbroz or Sting Ray front track shock spring installed ? If not I would reccomend putting one in, it helps with weight transfer and lightening up the front end which I found helped with carving and getting on edge.

Thanks, I've considered a stiffer front skid spring. When you say it helps with weight transfer do you mean increases it? I don't find the weight on the front skis to much but the sled just wants to stay flat.

 

[Trukker]

2018 MTX LE -QS3

65 lbs psi front ride on #2 on trail and #1 in powder

Front skid 55 lbs psi

Rear skid 165 lbs psi

Limiter strap third from top

 

[shawnmcgr]

2018 MTX LE -QS3

65 lbs psi front ride on #2 on trail and #1 in powder

Front skid 55 lbs psi

Rear skid 165 lbs psi

Limiter strap third from top

Thanks Trukker, I've got the SE so no rebound adjustment and a coil over in the front skid. My limiter strap is fully loose. Any idea how shortening it would effect handling?

 

[MK4TDI]

Thanks, I've considered a stiffer front skid spring. When you say it helps with weight transfer do you mean increases it? I don't find the weight on the front skis to much but the sled just wants to stay flat.

Yup it will increase it, I found it helped out a lot with getting in edge. Some more suspension adjustments softening up the front ski shocks and now it's even easier to get on edge.

I found a good deal on a full set of QS3 with the lockout so I'm going that route now.

 

[MK4TDI]

Thanks Trukker, I've got the SE so no rebound adjustment and a coil over in the front skid. My limiter strap is fully loose. Any idea how shortening it would effect handling?

Will give it more ski pressure (heavy steering) and less transfer or ski lift when climbing.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Thanks Trukker, I've got the SE so no rebound adjustment and a coil over in the front skid. My limiter strap is fully loose. Any idea how shortening it would effect handling?

Personally I think it helped improve control, especially in tricky spots or climbing through the trees. I ran long time on the loose setting which is retard-at-chucky-cheese fun but gets goofy at times too. LOL