Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

[Cdnfireman]

Re: Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

There could be a software update. Never say never.

Hahaha. If that happens, sign me up!!!

 

[doorfx]

https://theculturetrip.com/north-am...inventions-no-one-thought-would-be-a-success/

 

[smokinD]

I was reading that another problem in city’s and towns is as more people move to electric vehicles is there going to be the ability for 3 / 5 / 10 / 20 vehicles to pull electricity from the grid in a neighborhood at one time before its overwhelmed.
Food for thought.

75 amp required to charge at home, most homes have a 100 amp system, minimum 40 amp, charge for 2 hrs go 40km worse in winter as you have to warm up your cabin b 4 you go out decreasing batt life. Also you would only be able to plug maybe 3 of these in one neighborhood as the draw on the system would be tremendous. The whole infrastructure would have to be overhauled at the taxpayers expense of course, oh and not to mention the price they would charge us for the power rate, power rates are all ready off the grid price wise now. (Remember lower amperage longer charge time) just my 0.02

 

[jhurkot]

75 amps is nice but not required. 20-30amp @240volts would be fine for 96% of people.

 

[ABMax24]

75 amp required to charge at home, most homes have a 100 amp system, minimum 40 amp, charge for 2 hrs go 40km worse in winter as you have to warm up your cabin b 4 you go out decreasing batt life. Also you would only be able to plug maybe 3 of these in one neighborhood as the draw on the system would be tremendous. The whole infrastructure would have to be overhauled at the taxpayers expense of course, oh and not to mention the price they would charge us for the power rate, power rates are all ready off the grid price wise now. (Remember lower amperage longer charge time) just my 0.02

I wonder if anyone has access to this data for Canada? In particular Alberta or BC. I know that California has had issues with this since large portions of the system are older and are due for an upgrade anyway.

I know I'd be pretty irate if ATCO told me that I was only allowed to use a portion of the 100 amp service I bought and paid for. But I guess I already know that ATCO is a government authorized extortion service so also wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.

 

[Cdnfireman]

The urban residential electricity grid is sized based on an average usage that has been determined by the utility companies after many decades of electricity consumption. Transformer size for example is determined by number of houses and predicted average consumption per hour. There’s a certain amount of overcapacity in these transformers, for instances where current draw exceeds their predictions. Long story short, the transformers in residential areas aren’t sized for maximum draw per house.
Now let’s say that most houses now have one or more electric vehicles charging at 40 amps each, in addition to the normal predicted loads. This will overload the existing system for sure. A wholesale move to electric vehicles would require a complete overhaul and upgrade to the electricity grid.
Then there’s the issue of commercial users. Imagine someone like fedex or ups that needs to charge dozens if not hundreds of vehicles. Their electrical upgrade costs just inside their buildings would be massive, let alone what the utility providers would have to do on the street to supply that.
The upgrades to the electricity grid will be in the billions. Another cost not factored into the costs of electric vehicles, another subsidy paid for buy everybody else.

 

[jhurkot]

Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

The urban residential electricity grid is sized based on an average usage that has been determined by the utility companies after many decades of electricity consumption. Transformer size for example is determined by number of houses and predicted average consumption per hour. There’s a certain amount of overcapacity in these transformers, for instances where current draw exceeds their predictions. Long story short, the transformers in residential areas aren’t sized for maximum draw per house.
Now let’s say that most houses now have one or more electric vehicles charging at 40 amps each, in addition to the normal predicted loads. This will overload the existing system for sure. A wholesale move to electric vehicles would require a complete overhaul and upgrade to the electricity grid.
Then there’s the issue of commercial users. Imagine someone like fedex or ups that needs to charge dozens if not hundreds of vehicles. Their electrical upgrade costs just inside their buildings would be massive, let alone what the utility providers would have to do on the street to supply that.
The upgrades to the electricity grid will be in the billions. Another cost not factored into the costs of electric vehicles, another subsidy paid for buy everybody else.

Charge from 11pm to 6am.

FedEx and UPS will build massive solar arrays to charge their fleet.

 

[sledn]

Re: Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

Charge from 11pm to 6am.

FedEx and UPS will build massive solar arrays to charge their fleet.

Not much solar power made from 11pm-6am in Alberta. Batteries are in use elsewhere when they may have power to charge available (if no clouds, snow or maintenance).

 

[Cyle]

75 amp required to charge at home, most homes have a 100 amp system, minimum 40 amp, charge for 2 hrs go 40km worse in winter as you have to warm up your cabin b 4 you go out decreasing batt life. Also you would only be able to plug maybe 3 of these in one neighborhood as the draw on the system would be tremendous. The whole infrastructure would have to be overhauled at the taxpayers expense of course, oh and not to mention the price they would charge us for the power rate, power rates are all ready off the grid price wise now. (Remember lower amperage longer charge time) just my 0.02

I'm curious what % it is, but any homes in newer higher end neighborhoods have 150-200 amp service, or the capability for it by the wire size into the house. While it is incredibly expensive there was one that went to a 400 amp service, had to pay for new transformer. But wasn't an issue as far as power brought into neighborhood. So there is definitely at least a decent amount of extra capacity available.

 

[jhurkot]

Re: Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

Not much solar power made from 11pm-6am in Alberta. Batteries are in use elsewhere when they may have power to charge available (if no clouds, snow or maintenance).

I meant if you’re worried about grid capacity.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Re: Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

Charge from 11pm to 6am.

FedEx and UPS will build massive solar arrays to charge their fleet.

Not a chance a commercial operation is gonna trust the unreliability of a solar array to keep their fleet charged. Assuming a hundred vehicles charging at 40 amps that’s 4000 amps required to do the job. The solar array would be the size of an airport to provide that kind of current and the battery bank would fill their building.

 

[Steve D]

Re: Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

Like holy sh!t Cdnfireman do you even hear yourself?

Gee, these new inventions that wash clothes and dishes and then dry them for you? Why we have women to do that, our grid will never be able to sustain the power of those machines! Electric stoves! Electric heaters! This world we live in must be just absolutely fragile and nothing can ever change.

Watch out for that electric boogeyman! He's scary!

 

[Steve D]

Re: Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

Not a chance a commercial operation is gonna trust the unreliability of a solar array to keep their fleet charged. Assuming a hundred vehicles charging at 40 amps that’s 4000 amps required to do the job. The solar array would be the size of an airport to provide that kind of current and the battery bank would fill their building.

OMFG... try googling the topic yourself, first hit:

https://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/fedex-ground-plans-largest-rooftop-solar-power-system-in-u-s/

And this was 2009. Panels and batteries have dropped a lot since then.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Re: Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

OMFG... try googling the topic yourself, first hit:

https://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/fedex-ground-plans-largest-rooftop-solar-power-system-in-u-s/

And this was 2009. Panels and batteries have dropped a lot since then.

If it was such a good idea, why are they not doing it now? because its not commercially viable, and won't be for decades to come. You clearly have no knowledge of electricity or how the system works. EV's are a barely functioning technology now on little commuter cars. Powering a fleet of cube vans is an entirely different proposition, but of course to you, an EV is the same as a blow dryer. Doofus..

 

[doorfx]

Lol fly over the Calgary airport and Balzac and see how many commercial buildings already have massive solar arrays.
You better get out there and tell all those companies, including firehalls, that it will never work.

 

[win]

Lol fly over the Calgary airport and Balzac and see how many commercial buildings already have massive solar arrays.
You better get out there and tell all those companies, including firehalls, that it will never work.

Yah to power LED lights.
They are not using solar to heat or run air conditioning for large sq ft warehouses.
They maybe putting that power back to the grid and that’s it.

Most panels are manufactured in China....,,,no thanks, I’ll always
support our oil and gas from Alberta

 

[jhurkot]

Yah to power LED lights.
They are not using solar to heat or run air conditioning for large sq ft warehouses.
They maybe putting that power back to the grid and that’s it.

Most panels are manufactured in China....,,,no thanks, I’ll always
support our oil and gas from Alberta

I laughed so hard when I read this. Thank you!

 

[win]

Hey glad that made you laugh every one needs one , better go charge ur battery.

 

[sledn]

Lol fly over the Calgary airport and Balzac and see how many commercial buildings already have massive solar arrays.
You better get out there and tell all those companies, including firehalls, that it will never work.

Done for “brownie points “ not to save money. Easier to get building approvals

 

[win]

Rivian & Ford - the 'Tesla Killer' Electric Truck

Yah to power LED lights.
They are not using solar to heat or run air conditioning for large sq ft warehouses.
They maybe putting that power back to the grid and that’s it.

Most panels are manufactured in China....,,,no thanks, I’ll always
support our oil and gas from Alberta

This is for all the peoples that think this is funny
Natural gas for power gen, cheep and clean
-Solar (no)
- EV (no)
- Carbon tax f.,.,(no)
Start supporting your f..n economy