deaner
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Man does liberalism ever seem to be spreading. Anyone having a different opinion than you is a retarded piece of chit that deserves to die. What ever happened to agreeing to disagree?
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dogsmack
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Seems to be no cure either.
Cdnfireman
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The cure is to turn CBC on , then get outraged when the talking heads tell you to. Don't apply any thought or logic to it, just follow what you see. And when someone disagrees, call them racist, xenophobic, etc because they dare to disagree.
Mike270412
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I fail to see how that has any relevance to beating the chit out of a guy for not leaving a seat he paid for.
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the_real_wild1
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Another story I just read. You have to be a real dumb ass to continue defending and arguing "For" the airline on this one. At least I don't have to read their opinion anymore LOL. I could get used to blocking people here.
CHICAGO — The passenger dragged from a United flight lost two front teeth and suffered a broken nose and a concussion, one of his lawyers said Thursday, accusing the airline industry of having “bullied” its customers for far too long.
“Are we going to continue to be treated like cattle?” attorney Thomas Demetrio asked.
The passenger, Dr. David Dao, has been released from a hospital but will need reconstructive surgery, Demetrio said at a news conference, appearing alongside one of Dao’s children. Dao was not there.
The 69-year-old physician from Elizabethtown, Kentucky, was forcibly removed by police from a plane Sunday at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport after refusing to give up his seat on the full flight to make room for four airline employees.
Cellphone video of him being pulled down the aisle by his arms and footage of his bloody face have created a public-relations nightmare for United.
One of Dao’s five children, Crystal Pepper, said the family was “horrified, shocked and sickened” by what happened. She said it was made worse by the fact that it was caught on video.
Demetrio, who indicated Dao is going to sue, said the industry has long “bullied” passengers by overbooking flights and then bumping people, and “it took something like this to get a conversation going.”
“I hope he becomes a poster child for all of us. Someone’s got to,” the lawyer said.
Early on, United CEO Oscar Munoz added to the furor when he apologized for the incident but accused Dao of being belligerent. Later, Munoz offered a more emphatic mea culpa, saying, “No one should ever be mistreated this way.”
He promised to review the airline’s policies to make sure something like that never happens again, and said United will no longer use police to remove bumped passengers. The airline also said all passengers on the flight would get a refund.
In a statement issued immediately after Thursday’s news conference, United insisted that Munoz and the airline called Dao numerous times to apologize. Munoz himself said on Wednesday that he had left a message for Dao.
But Demetrio said neither Dao nor his family had heard from United.
Demetrio said that his client accepts United’s apology, but that the airline seemed to have issued it because it was taking a PR “beating.”
The attorney was unable to say precisely how Dao was injured. Dao didn’t remember exactly what occurred because of the concussion he suffered, Demetrio said.
Demetrio said he doesn’t believe Dao’s race — Dao came to the U.S. from Vietnam in 1975 during the fall of Saigon — played a role in what happened.
Pepper said her father and mother had been travelling from California to Louisville, Kentucky, and had caught a connecting flight at O’Hare. After what happened, Dao “has no interest in ever seeing an airplane” and will probably be driven to Kentucky, Demetrio said.
United had selected Dao and three other passengers at random for removal from the plane after unsuccessfully offering $800 in travel vouchers and a hotel stay to customers willing to give up their seats.
The three Chicago Aviation Department police officers involved have been suspended. The furor could threaten the future of the police force that guards Chicago’s two main airports.
Chicago’s City Council scheduled a hearing Thursday to question United and the Aviation Department about the episode.
Chicago’s roughly 300 aviation officers are not part of the city’s regular police force, receive less training and cannot carry guns inside the airports.
The video-recorded confrontation “really has put it at risk,” Alderman Chris Taliaferro said of the police agency Wednesday.
At the top of the list of the City Council’s questions is whether the officers even had the legal authority to board the plane, said Alderman Michael Zalewski, who leads the council’s aviation committee.
An Aviation Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to questions about the duties of the police force.
CHICAGO — The passenger dragged from a United flight lost two front teeth and suffered a broken nose and a concussion, one of his lawyers said Thursday, accusing the airline industry of having “bullied” its customers for far too long.
“Are we going to continue to be treated like cattle?” attorney Thomas Demetrio asked.
The passenger, Dr. David Dao, has been released from a hospital but will need reconstructive surgery, Demetrio said at a news conference, appearing alongside one of Dao’s children. Dao was not there.
The 69-year-old physician from Elizabethtown, Kentucky, was forcibly removed by police from a plane Sunday at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport after refusing to give up his seat on the full flight to make room for four airline employees.
Cellphone video of him being pulled down the aisle by his arms and footage of his bloody face have created a public-relations nightmare for United.
One of Dao’s five children, Crystal Pepper, said the family was “horrified, shocked and sickened” by what happened. She said it was made worse by the fact that it was caught on video.
Demetrio, who indicated Dao is going to sue, said the industry has long “bullied” passengers by overbooking flights and then bumping people, and “it took something like this to get a conversation going.”
“I hope he becomes a poster child for all of us. Someone’s got to,” the lawyer said.
Early on, United CEO Oscar Munoz added to the furor when he apologized for the incident but accused Dao of being belligerent. Later, Munoz offered a more emphatic mea culpa, saying, “No one should ever be mistreated this way.”
He promised to review the airline’s policies to make sure something like that never happens again, and said United will no longer use police to remove bumped passengers. The airline also said all passengers on the flight would get a refund.
In a statement issued immediately after Thursday’s news conference, United insisted that Munoz and the airline called Dao numerous times to apologize. Munoz himself said on Wednesday that he had left a message for Dao.
But Demetrio said neither Dao nor his family had heard from United.
Demetrio said that his client accepts United’s apology, but that the airline seemed to have issued it because it was taking a PR “beating.”
The attorney was unable to say precisely how Dao was injured. Dao didn’t remember exactly what occurred because of the concussion he suffered, Demetrio said.
Demetrio said he doesn’t believe Dao’s race — Dao came to the U.S. from Vietnam in 1975 during the fall of Saigon — played a role in what happened.
Pepper said her father and mother had been travelling from California to Louisville, Kentucky, and had caught a connecting flight at O’Hare. After what happened, Dao “has no interest in ever seeing an airplane” and will probably be driven to Kentucky, Demetrio said.
United had selected Dao and three other passengers at random for removal from the plane after unsuccessfully offering $800 in travel vouchers and a hotel stay to customers willing to give up their seats.
The three Chicago Aviation Department police officers involved have been suspended. The furor could threaten the future of the police force that guards Chicago’s two main airports.
Chicago’s City Council scheduled a hearing Thursday to question United and the Aviation Department about the episode.
Chicago’s roughly 300 aviation officers are not part of the city’s regular police force, receive less training and cannot carry guns inside the airports.
The video-recorded confrontation “really has put it at risk,” Alderman Chris Taliaferro said of the police agency Wednesday.
At the top of the list of the City Council’s questions is whether the officers even had the legal authority to board the plane, said Alderman Michael Zalewski, who leads the council’s aviation committee.
An Aviation Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to questions about the duties of the police force.
ZRrrr
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Officers are Chicago City employees as they are part of the Airport Authority. Apparently they have the right to enter the plane, and that's it! All are on suspension. Chicago City Council is right pissed that United "used" city employees to do their dirty work. Maybe the City of Chicago is going to sue United as well.
Munoz - "He was a paying passenger sitting in our aircraft. No one should be treated that way," "To remove a booked, paid, seating passenger, we can't do that,"
Munoz on Tuesday promised a thorough review of United's policies for handling situations where it has sold more tickets than seats available, including how it offers incentives to customers to take a later flight, and how United works with airport authorities and local law enforcement.
U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, "If an airline chooses to oversell a flight, or has to accommodate their crew on a fully booked flight, it is their responsibility to keep raising their offer until a customer chooses to give up their seat,"
Dao has a very powerful lawyer representing him, who has said unreasonable force or violence in this case, is against the law. 2 broken teeth, broken nose, concussion, and was undergoing reconstructive surgery on his sinuses today.
What a mess. Good news.....me thinks the airline industry is about to undergo some changes, whether voluntarily or by law, for the betterment of passengers.
Munoz - "He was a paying passenger sitting in our aircraft. No one should be treated that way," "To remove a booked, paid, seating passenger, we can't do that,"
Munoz on Tuesday promised a thorough review of United's policies for handling situations where it has sold more tickets than seats available, including how it offers incentives to customers to take a later flight, and how United works with airport authorities and local law enforcement.
U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, "If an airline chooses to oversell a flight, or has to accommodate their crew on a fully booked flight, it is their responsibility to keep raising their offer until a customer chooses to give up their seat,"
Dao has a very powerful lawyer representing him, who has said unreasonable force or violence in this case, is against the law. 2 broken teeth, broken nose, concussion, and was undergoing reconstructive surgery on his sinuses today.
What a mess. Good news.....me thinks the airline industry is about to undergo some changes, whether voluntarily or by law, for the betterment of passengers.
Cdnfireman
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The relevance is that nobody seems to ask what events preceded what happened. They just ape what they hear on the media and start frothing at the mouth and become hysterical when someone dares to ask or point out the facts of why this occurred or question the media.
For about the fifth time I'll say I don't agree with what happened. But the fact remains that the doctor involved was asked to leave the property of a business. He refused. He was then ordered to leave by representatives of the lawful authority. He refused again.
for some reason some people refuse to acknowledge this. They think he had the right to do whatever he wanted because he paid his airfare. It was a $hitty situation that was handled poorly by everyone, including the guy that was dragged out of the plane.
Society has devolved to the point that nobody seems to think that they should be held accountable for their actions. It's everyone's "right" to do or say whatever they want.
Rightly or wrongly, When those cops walked onto that airplane they had it in their mind that they were taking somebody off that plane and nobody was gonna change that. And they didn't care who it was, either a little Vietnamese doctor or some wannabe tough guy from backwoods Alberta.
RXN
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If I paid for a ticket... And they asked me to leave after I was just sitting quietly in my seat waiting to get home ON SCHEDULE... They would be forcibly removing me too.
Mike270412
Golden Boy
Someone needs to explain this "overbooking" thing to me? Is this a common practice? I must be missing something. They sell 106 tickets even though there's only 102 seats? That doesn't even make sense.
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Cdnfireman
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Let me guess. It's your "right" to have a seat and to be on schedule.
Mike270412
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I thought that was why you paid for a ticket. So you're saying that even though you booked a seat and paid for it they can drag you off the plane cause they sold too many tickets?
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the_real_wild1
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Mike270412
Golden Boy
Hi honey. I paid for this seat I'm sitting in but we haven't taken off yet so there's still a chance the cops are gonna rough me up and drag me off this plane. Wish me luck.
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Cdnfireman
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The U.S. deregulated the airline industry back in the '90's. Until then it wasn't allowed to overbook a plane. Since then it is. The airlines decided to overbook (sell more tickets than there is seats) to compensate for people that buy a ticket and don't show up, and then re-book later using their credit with the air line.
They overbook in an attempt to fill up the plane and maximize profits. When everybody shows up, somebody gets bumped. They usually offer a "travel voucher" or cash for someone to voluntarily give up their seat, and that person takes a later flight and has the voucher or cash as compensation for being inconvienced.
when no one volunteers, then someone gets bumped involuntarily.
Where it gets $hitty is that it's not always the last guy on the plane who has to leave. Let's say you fly once a year and got your ticket at some last minute flight discounter for $200. And there's another guy without a seat who flys 5 times a month with the same airline and paid $800 for his ticket at the counter an hour before the flight. Guess who's gonna get bumped.
The airlines make the decision based on a business decision. The frequent business traveller gets the seat.
Is is it fair? Nope. Does it suck for the guy who gets involuntarily bumped? Yup. But those are the facts on how the airlines work, and right in the fine print it stipulates how and why the airline can deny you service. And make no mistake about it they can deny you service whether you think it's your "right" or not. The airlines routinely overbook and then have police escort people off who refuse to leave. The incident the other day is what happens when a bunch of people make bad decisions and don't think things through.
LID
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If you're at certain high levels on airline rewards programs, and you switch to a different flight, you are guaranteed at least a regular seat.
That would bump regular people as well
That would bump regular people as well
luvz da mud
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Looks like Doc likes to wheel & deal
Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sex | New York Post
Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sex | New York Post
deaner
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All of the bleeding hearts are going to cry fowl and say "how does this apply?" It shows that this guy doesnt think the rules apply to him.
I think they sell 106 tickets for 106 seats but then they have to right to boot your ass if another flight crew needs to deadhead
Eh... Yea? If I buy a ticket that says im to be on a plane and home at a certain time... not counting delays and stuff... YES. I would EXPECT THAT as a customer to happen.
Call me crazy but... I wouldn't be buying a ticket if I couldn't have a ride home.....
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