Only Montreal ??? Maybe not !

[LennyR]

Victoria

 

[08arcticcat]

maybe some unemployed energy workers should go protest in victoria.

 

[teeroy]

fawking hypocrite cawksuckers. save the planet, save the trees, chit in the ocean...

 

[08arcticcat]

couldve allowed the energy pipelines to go through, and probably coulda got a sewer plant built with the tax profits.

 

[rsaint]

I will take our dirty oil over BC's crap in ocean what a joke friggen leaf licken white and blue plate #@sholes.

 

[Clode]

and we cant pee on lease

 

[snopro]

Is it my imagination or a full moon but is the world fawked in the last year? Trudeau, Notley, Trump in the US, refugee's, sewage dumped in the water, backlash against oil, Leaf lickers reproducing faster than rabbits, Bruce Jenner woman of the year, Bill Cosby a rapist? Jaysus.....whats next?

 

[LBZ]

Is it my imagination or a full moon but is the world fawked in the last year? Trudeau, Notley, Trump in the US, refugee's, sewage dumped in the water, backlash against oil, Leaf lickers reproducing faster than rabbits, Bruce Jenner woman of the year, Bill Cosby a rapist? Jaysus.....whats next?

No kidding.
I blame social media. Some of it is stuff that has always gone on but WOM or the news was the only way one found out about it so not as many were in the know or as deeply affected by it.

Other stuff is just blown out of proportion or exploited and exaggerated by people on both sides of the story through social media swaying the sheeple one way or the other depending on what is popular that day.

To the point now where I just gave up on FB, twitter, snapchat, etc.and this site and a couple others are the only SM outlets I log into. To easy to get caught up in the other bs out there. Much happier these days despite the doom and gloom and disgusting amount of politically correct nonsense out there.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Is it my imagination or a full moon but is the world fawked in the last year? Trudeau, Notley, Trump in the US, refugee's, sewage dumped in the water, backlash against oil, Leaf lickers reproducing faster than rabbits, Bruce Jenner woman of the year, Bill Cosby a rapist? Jaysus.....whats next?

Its another reason i'm glad I didn't have kids.

 

[Lund]

Before you all go pointing finger's, remember there is always three more pointing back. We are all in this together and i don't recall anyone province living in a bubble.
Everyone needs to shape up their crap.....some more then others, so be careful about calling the kettle black. I don't see any fine examples here.

https://www.ec.gc.ca/indicateurs-indicators/default.asp?lang=en&n=18F3BB9C-1

 

[teeroy]

Before you all go pointing finger's, remember there is always three more pointing back. We are all in this together and i don't recall anyone province living in a bubble.
Everyone needs to shape up their crap.....some more then others, so be careful about calling the kettle black. I don't see any fine examples here.

https://www.ec.gc.ca/indicateurs-indicators/default.asp?lang=en&n=18F3BB9C-1

powering the country's economy is a lot different than pumping raw sh!t into the environment. the economy needs oil and gas...there are plenty of options for sewage treatment. apparently the energy sector is a hell of a lot more scrutinized. or maybe it's just that BC's sh!t don't stink?

 

[rzrgade]

Umm is BC not known for being Green ? Anti oil , pollution and worried absolutely SICK about the coastal waters?
Does the leader of the so called Green Party not live within a few miles of here?

Call it what you want ... I call it hypocritical BS !!

 

[Bnorth]

Is it my imagination or a full moon but is the world fawked in the last year? Trudeau, Notley, Trump in the US, refugee's, sewage dumped in the water, backlash against oil, Leaf lickers reproducing faster than rabbits, Bruce Jenner woman of the year, Bill Cosby a rapist? Jaysus.....whats next?

Hopefully the end.

 

[Mike270412]

Is it my imagination or a full moon but is the world fawked in the last year? Trudeau, Notley, Trump in the US, refugee's, sewage dumped in the water, backlash against oil, Leaf lickers reproducing faster than rabbits, Bruce Jenner woman of the year, Bill Cosby a rapist? Jaysus.....whats next?

 

[LennyR]

Before you all go pointing finger's, remember there is always three more pointing back. We are all in this together and i don't recall anyone province living in a bubble.
Everyone needs to shape up their crap.....some more then others, so be careful about calling the kettle black. I don't see any fine examples here.

https://www.ec.gc.ca/indicateurs-indicators/default.asp?lang=en&n=18F3BB9C-1

Kinda sound like the response from montreal mayor when he got busted. LOL If you're a graph guy , maybe find one comparing total emissions from Canada to other energy producing/consuming countries. Nice try at deflection though, but methinks raw $hit in the ocean BC says they are caring for , seems a bit self serving.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Before you all go pointing finger's, remember there is always three more pointing back. We are all in this together and i don't recall anyone province living in a bubble.
Everyone needs to shape up their crap.....some more then others, so be careful about calling the kettle black. I don't see any fine examples here.

https://www.ec.gc.ca/indicateurs-indicators/default.asp?lang=en&n=18F3BB9C-1

If you believe that man made GHG's are affecting the climate you are a misguided fool. The levels of CO2 in our atmosphere in PPM are lower than they've been in the past on many occasions. Do some research. Is there a case to be made about man made pollutants like SO2, lead, arsenic, absolutely, CO2 no. It's alarmist crap being pushed onto the ignorant and uneducated of the world to justify a transfer of wealth from the first world to the third world.
Ever notice that the biggest supporters of climate change ( decaprio, gore, Bono, Suzuki) are all uber rich and person for person among the biggest contributors of pollutants into the atmosphere? Their argument that they buy green energy credits to offset their lifestyle is like saying you get to throw your garbage out on the street because you bought the guy on the next street a new garbage can.

 

[101110101101]

If you believe that man made GHG's are affecting the climate you are a misguided fool. The levels of CO2 in our atmosphere in PPM are lower than they've been in the past on many occasions. Do some research. Is there a case to be made about man made pollutants like SO2, lead, arsenic, absolutely, CO2 no. It's alarmist crap being pushed onto the ignorant and uneducated of the world to justify a transfer of wealth from the first world to the third world.
Ever notice that the biggest supporters of climate change ( decaprio, gore, Bono, Suzuki) are all uber rich and person for person among the biggest contributors of pollutants into the atmosphere? Their argument that they buy green energy credits to offset their lifestyle is like saying you get to throw your garbage out on the street because you bought the guy on the next street a new garbage can.

I'm educated and basically always operate with a "believe but verify" attitude. I was taught to question everything, so it's second nature for me to do that.

So... that being said, please show me a single source that backs up what you just said about CO2 levels? Every source I can find (rather easily) pretty much shows the exact opposite...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=ghg+...in+the+atmosphere+chart&imgrc=tEK2chAN1PzHwM:

If that link works, pick any chart from any source. You say "do some research".... why not provide us the source of your research? Also... WHY TF would rich people in the first world want to transfer wealth to the third world. Enlighten me please.

*EDIT* To add more "research".



Taken from the source:

 

[Bogger]

"What is your position on the climate-change debate? What would it take to change your mind?

If the answer is It would take a ton of evidence to change my mind, because my understanding is that the science is settled, and we need to get going on this important issue, that’s what I thought, too. This is my story.

More than thirty years ago, I became vegan because I believed it was healthier (it’s not), and I’ve stayed vegan because I believe it’s better for the environment (it is). I haven’t owned a car in ten years. I love animals; I’ll gladly fly halfway around the world to take photos of them in their natural habitats. I’m a Democrat: I think governments play a key role in helping preserve our environment for the future in the most cost-effective way possible. Over the years, I built a set of assumptions: that Al Gore was right about global warming, that he was the David going up against the industrial Goliath. In 1993, I even wrote a book about it.

Recently, a friend challenged those assumptions. At first, I was annoyed, because I thought the science really was settled. As I started to look at the data and read about climate science, I was surprised, then shocked. As I learned more, I changed my mind. I now think there probably is no climate crisis and that the focus on CO2 takes funding and attention from critical environmental problems. I’ll start by making ten short statements that should challenge your assumptions and then back them up with an essay."

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i...cience-is-not-settled-1e3ae4712ace#.x75entig5

This dude has put a lot of time and effort into researching the topic and I have not finished reading it all but it seems quite factual and well researched.

 

[101110101101]

"What is your position on the climate-change debate? What would it take to change your mind?

If the answer is It would take a ton of evidence to change my mind, because my understanding is that the science is settled, and we need to get going on this important issue, that’s what I thought, too. This is my story.

More than thirty years ago, I became vegan because I believed it was healthier (it’s not), and I’ve stayed vegan because I believe it’s better for the environment (it is). I haven’t owned a car in ten years. I love animals; I’ll gladly fly halfway around the world to take photos of them in their natural habitats. I’m a Democrat: I think governments play a key role in helping preserve our environment for the future in the most cost-effective way possible. Over the years, I built a set of assumptions: that Al Gore was right about global warming, that he was the David going up against the industrial Goliath. In 1993, I even wrote a book about it.

Recently, a friend challenged those assumptions. At first, I was annoyed, because I thought the science really was settled. As I started to look at the data and read about climate science, I was surprised, then shocked. As I learned more, I changed my mind. I now think there probably is no climate crisis and that the focus on CO2 takes funding and attention from critical environmental problems. I’ll start by making ten short statements that should challenge your assumptions and then back them up with an essay."

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i...cience-is-not-settled-1e3ae4712ace#.x75entig5

This dude has put a lot of time and effort into researching the topic and I have not finished reading it all but it seems quite factual and well researched.

Going to start reading now. I appreciate the link.

I'll openly say, that I truly believe you can find something on the internet that supports any argument you want. I do not know everything for sure. My belief in rising CO2 levels, and climate change is based on mostly anecdotal evidence/personal experiences over a relatively short lifespan. I guess I'm just tired of being told to "research things" because what it boils down to is that you can research until you are blue in the face and two different reasonably intelligent people, can draw vastly different conclusions based on whichever sources they choose to trust. How do we decide who to trust in this day and age of the internet, when anyone can spin up a blog and start talking. *shrug*

I'll take a rich d-bag actor such as DiCaprio over say BP or Exxon, any fawking day of the week. In my mind, DiCaprio has nothing to gain by spouting off, he is already rich, and set for life while the BP's of the world have everything to lose.

Okay... so I've only read the 10 points so far, and here is what I think when reading each point:

1. agree - weather is not climate
2. agree - natural variations in weather and climate can be huge. I disagree that it is warming but "not much and not lately".... I've lived in AB for 40+ years.. never seen a winter without snow.
3. Climate models.... I can't speak intelligently whether they are accurate or not, but with technology and simulations and super-computers these days, I'd have to think the modelling is as good as it has ever been.
4. Energy from the sun.... possibly... I had never heard that before, but to me it would seem that would be more like solar flares, and relatively short lived (guessing there)
5. It's just a statement... who is this person and how does he know CO2 has very little to do with it? That's almost akin to stating "god exists, prove he doesn't"... knowing full-well it's impossible to prove a negative.
6. I disagree... **** comes out my ass, I'd still call it pollution. If it ISN'T a poisonous gas.. try breathing nothing but C02 for 5 minutes..... then we'll talk.
(The Effects of Too Much Carbon Dioxide in the Blood |) So while not technically a "poison"... it will still kill you.
- The website eMedMag.com notes that while most simple asphyxiants do not have any inherent toxicity of their own, cases of CO2 poisoning have been linked to central nervous system damage and permanent deterioration of respiratory functions. Because of these findings, CO2 is considered not just a simple asphyxiant, but a gas with acute systemic effects as well.
7. Define "not much" I hate statements like this.... it's subjective. What is not much? 500 meters wouldn't matter if you lived 600 meters above sea level... whereas 5 meters would be catastrophic if living at 2 meters below sea level.....
8. Don't know about polar bear levels, but I do know for sure, he did not provide any source/link/corroborating evidence to support the statement. He could be 100% accurate and I'd still have to question the statement without more info/data
9. Another silly statement IMO..... no one has disproven the existence of God yet either... therefore he must exist? Bollocks!
10. Yup.... there is trickery.... agree....... but who is doing it? O&G and the deniers or the Climate Change fanatics?

Anyway I'll keep reading... but this does appear to be one of those "blogs" that someone just spun up.... I find it hard to take seriously without knowing him (and having seen none of his research)... I may still get to his "proof" below.

(Thanks BoggeR)

The last thing I'll add before I head home.. is https://medium.com/@pullnews David Siegel himself.... not a scientist.... he's a business man.... (Entrepreneur, investor, start-up coach, consultant) so why are we believing his word versus those doing the actual studies? *curious*... What is his angle? Drive people to his blog? Have you looked at his other blog entries... he is all over the map.... an expert at everything I suppose.

 

[rzrgade]

Going to start reading now. I appreciate the link.

I'll openly say, that I truly believe you can find something on the internet that supports any argument you want. I do not know everything for sure. My belief in rising CO2 levels, and climate change is based on mostly anecdotal evidence/personal experiences over a relatively short lifespan. I guess I'm just tired of being told to "research things" because what it boils down to is that you can research until you are blue in the face and two different reasonably intelligent people, can draw vastly different conclusions based on whichever sources they choose to trust. How do we decide who to trust in this day and age of the internet, when anyone can spin up a blog and start talking. *shrug*

I'll take a rich d-bag actor such as DiCaprio over say BP or Exxon, any fawking day of the week. In my mind, DiCaprio has nothing to gain by spouting off, he is already rich, and set for life while the BP's of the world have everything to lose.

Ohhhhh, to be young again......