imdoo'n
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talk to your lawyer, take him to small claims court you will win and get your money back. i'm surprised you haven't already.
New factory short block?
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OOC ZigZag
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Met Chris and his son this winter and he is a stand up guy has a great product and I can't see him scamin anyone. The reciept thing well if it was for something to do with Tethair biz I'm sure Chris could get you one in a second but hey personal reciepts for family chit I can see that getting missplaced and getting another from Mr R's since it changed hands good luck. All that being said it was his sons sled and from what I saw the day we ran into them it prob got worked every time it went out. Chris sells sled product I'm thinkin his family and himself ride quite a bit ( you prob noticed tethair truck ect...) then you buy a sled off him with no way of tracking the block since new( hood thing) ? Your roommate should have given you a little more input about buying a sled. Find a recreational owner who is selling his sled and has low km's. Look it over when you buy it only takes a sec to pull the air box take a look around. That being said get fawkin rid of the box get the Timber sled intake for your next short blk and walla no more carb boots blown your engine. Your a mech man you could have pulled the secondary like I said pull the airbox and look at the carb boots are they lookin tired. I'm going out Springer Style last thought "Buyer Beware".
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imdoo'n
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buyer beware, if seller makes false claims he is liable in the court house and will lose big. time for lawyers to get involved. teth air should be making some sort of restitution. he sold it, made false claims he will lose.
maxwell
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ya no kidding prove it in court,"well he said it was new"
good luck with that one. just sayin.
OOC ZigZag
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Get fawkin real he couldn't prove the km's prob be hard pressed to tell if it was the same block as was sold in the sled. So like I said buyer beware and if someone is to naive to look at the piece of equipment they are investing their hard earned money on well to bad. A fool and his money are soon parted, that confushious or confusinus guy sure knew alot about buying sleds considering they wern't around yet.
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imdoo'n
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you make false claims on a bill of sale or have witness you will win.
why do you put as is on the bill of sale. for all you know it all's, maybe find out before you start the lips a flappin. although you seem to know it all.
why do you put as is on the bill of sale. for all you know it all's, maybe find out before you start the lips a flappin. although you seem to know it all.
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Flatlander_01
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you work for the government can't be that busy I too am a mechanic and if this happened to me that thing would have been tore down before i started shooting off at the mouth so post some pictures and make me eat my words.
flabbajabba
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First off I have no side in this. I just found it interesting and thought you were wronged at first.
Just trying to figure how I would be if I sold this sled to you. I WILL NOT sell a time bomb. Money isn't worth screwing over someone else to me. But I read you calling out someone and I haven't really seen this backed up. You say you want him to give money back/split costs on a 8 year old sled?If you asking money from me or call me out you'd better take I would guess it 30 min? To take this apart. Its already out! I was highlighting the fact that you have way more time on the computer then it would have taken to find out.
Then you say it isn't repaired at all and was probably caused from the lean out(carb boot). It sucks it happened but its starting to sound like you had some bad luck.
I also thought if I sold a sled that was good to me and as far as I knew was good and than someone blasts me all over the internet and doesn't really follow up on the claims how I would react?
Did Teth Air say he would provide the receipt for the motor as part of the sale? From 1-2 yrs ago? I can't find receipts from a week ago?
Take him to court for a 8 yr old sled that blew up? I believe when you buy used there is a certain amount of risk. If you want warranty buy a new one. If you are on a budget (like me) buy used and take the good with the bad.
If you get screwed and can prove it fire away!
I will gladly buy you a beer if we ever meet to help ease the pain.
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Barnes
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First off, the main reason i posted this up.. was and i say again.. to remind everyone "BUYER BEWARE"!
Even buying off of snow and mud dealer, i thought i was safe. Buying an 8 year old sled, i knew the thing wasn't going to be mint, and i have put approx $500-1000 just fixing the little bits and pieces i found to be slightly used and to save myself a headache in the long run. AS for the motor, Chris told me it had a new factory shortblock last year. He also went on to say that he didn't have the obometer connected for a good amount of last year after the engine was installed. So the km's are still unknown. BUT I and i'd like to hope most people would think that a NEW factory shortblock would last more than a season? YES OR NO?
After trying to contact Chris via email and phone and no answer, i decided that this was a topic made for snow and mud, the very place that i found the for sale ad for the sled. I was honestly very disappointed that i was able to put 250kms on my new found toy. But after pulling the motor out after it blew, and found the carb boot torn, i really didn't think i would have to look any further for an answer why the engine blew.
Now, back to the engine in question. How did the carb boot rip? Was the engine installed by Mr.R's? Or did Chris install it? There is alot of "non factory" connectors and wiring on this sled, along with a whole lot of RTV in the belly pan when i blew up the starter recoil. I'm not questioning Chris' wrenching skills, but if you were to find a whole lot of RTV in the belly pan, and a ripped carb boot, would you question the seller after getting 250kms out of a year and a bit old "new factory shortblock"?
If you go back and read the WHOLE thread you'll see that the engine never looked too healthly when i purchased it, and at 9pm on halloween night, maybe i should have done my research a little better, and had a little better look under the hood. But why should i? I'm buying from a dealer off snow and mud, why would Chris sell me a lemon?
Did he know about the leaky exhaust gasket? Did he know about the torn carb boot? These are only questions that Chris can answer. Sooo once again, BUYER BEWARE!
Even buying off of snow and mud dealer, i thought i was safe. Buying an 8 year old sled, i knew the thing wasn't going to be mint, and i have put approx $500-1000 just fixing the little bits and pieces i found to be slightly used and to save myself a headache in the long run. AS for the motor, Chris told me it had a new factory shortblock last year. He also went on to say that he didn't have the obometer connected for a good amount of last year after the engine was installed. So the km's are still unknown. BUT I and i'd like to hope most people would think that a NEW factory shortblock would last more than a season? YES OR NO?
After trying to contact Chris via email and phone and no answer, i decided that this was a topic made for snow and mud, the very place that i found the for sale ad for the sled. I was honestly very disappointed that i was able to put 250kms on my new found toy. But after pulling the motor out after it blew, and found the carb boot torn, i really didn't think i would have to look any further for an answer why the engine blew.
Now, back to the engine in question. How did the carb boot rip? Was the engine installed by Mr.R's? Or did Chris install it? There is alot of "non factory" connectors and wiring on this sled, along with a whole lot of RTV in the belly pan when i blew up the starter recoil. I'm not questioning Chris' wrenching skills, but if you were to find a whole lot of RTV in the belly pan, and a ripped carb boot, would you question the seller after getting 250kms out of a year and a bit old "new factory shortblock"?
If you go back and read the WHOLE thread you'll see that the engine never looked too healthly when i purchased it, and at 9pm on halloween night, maybe i should have done my research a little better, and had a little better look under the hood. But why should i? I'm buying from a dealer off snow and mud, why would Chris sell me a lemon?
Did he know about the leaky exhaust gasket? Did he know about the torn carb boot? These are only questions that Chris can answer. Sooo once again, BUYER BEWARE!
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Barnes
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You can shoot off about working for the government all you want, and i can sit here and tell you how busy and exhausted i have been.. but as i write this rather than packing up my stuff to head back down to suffield for 0200, i guess i can think about my "work, life balance"
flabbajabba
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I guess I felt like this was similar to me because I had a sled for sale that looks alot like the shape of your sled. And I was selling it when you started this thread. My sled is a little rough but has always been good to me. Never left me anywhere, even pulled out way better looking sleds. Everytime I ride it I am surprised that it still keeps on ticking. If I sold it and it broke I would feel bad but in no way would I feel that I would have to buck up for their bad luck. There is no way I could tell anyone when or how long its going to last?
I would have a tough time putting $2000 into my sled. As I imagine you feel the same about yours.
Sorry for your loss and sorry if I stuck my beak into this but I don't see much wrong from my side of the screen. Just an old sled that broke and someone that got stuck with when it happened.
I would have a tough time putting $2000 into my sled. As I imagine you feel the same about yours.
Sorry for your loss and sorry if I stuck my beak into this but I don't see much wrong from my side of the screen. Just an old sled that broke and someone that got stuck with when it happened.
With the motor out of the sled, its a quick teardown with the right tools. 1/2 hr is probably not too far off base depending on your ability, I've taken down a few of these...LOL A few hrs of my time is easily worth the price of a new shortblock.
We all get it, and we all feel for ya man, nothing sucks more than a busted sled. The point some of us are trying to make is that you came on S&M to warn us "buyer beware" and tell your story, however you can't prove jack without backing up your story (if someone "scammed" me for a motor in a sled, you damn well better believe I'd be making sure I supported my position as much as possible).
To me, its starting to look more like "seller beware" until you can prove otherwise.
OOC ZigZag
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Thats where I was going Seller beware. There are always 2 sides or more to every story. Lets just say for example this guy is trying to pull a fast one now if Chris has done nothing wrong we end up with a bunch of azz clowns making false acusations and a situation arises that cost Chris sales of his Safe product and that is bs. If your not the the seller and your not the buyer than all you got is an opinion and they are like aholes everyone got one.JMHAHO
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I just read the 16 pages; every last post!
Here's my problem after this read.
I have an 08XPX154ES that was brand new to me. It has all the recalls done. The clutch ramps, rollers and spring redone each season. A MBRP can, JC's Custom vents, Ralph's shaved head (just for pump gas), scratchers, spare gas tank.
The compression is good at 150# using ES. It has 3200 miles on it and still is running strong. Ball park figure is $6500.
The question, how doo I prepare myself? Doo I pull the motor and actually tear it apart to check it or is it just "as is, where is" and run the risk of another 16 pages.
Advice please......fs
Here's my problem after this read.
I have an 08XPX154ES that was brand new to me. It has all the recalls done. The clutch ramps, rollers and spring redone each season. A MBRP can, JC's Custom vents, Ralph's shaved head (just for pump gas), scratchers, spare gas tank.
The compression is good at 150# using ES. It has 3200 miles on it and still is running strong. Ball park figure is $6500.
The question, how doo I prepare myself? Doo I pull the motor and actually tear it apart to check it or is it just "as is, where is" and run the risk of another 16 pages.
Advice please......fs
OOC ZigZag
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Ok lets play devils advocate FS if you were buying a sled you would do a little checkin before you parted with your $ 6500.00 wouldn't you. I had my 08 stolen this winter and replaced with a used 09 163. I got to the guys place pulled airbox, plugs, adjusted the clickers to reflect the elev I was test riding it at. Looked for evidence of blown belt problems checked primary and secondary alignment. Point I'm trying to make and not pizz anyone off is be responsible for your purchase. If I were looking at buying your sled I would ask for reciepts for all the upgrades and see the bills for all the clutch parts and other work done.
On another note sad to see this post get 16 pgs of chit and see the request for help from a mother and a daughter who have lost their loved one and asked for help getting the machines out and we don't even get a full pg of response. Rene hats off your a great guy and any of the others that have offered to help out THANK YOU your offer is I'm sure greatly appreciated by the family. Here's to getting them sleds out.
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Whats the point in tearing it down? I dont see one. If the CAUSE has already been determined, tearing it apart just to see the damage really accomplishes nothing, and leaves you with a mess of parts to put back together before you can send it to BRP.
Sell it as is where is and be honest. If it blows up after 100 miles on the new buyer, some will come back and say that you knew it was on the way out which is why you sold it, others will accept they bought it and just got some bad luck. If you did compression test, check the crank run out, pull the y-pipe and plugs and look in the cylinders, etc (all things that I do as a buyer before I purchase anything), then if something happens there is no way they can come back on you.
I do these things as the seller to cover my ass and to make sure I can advertise the motor or sled appropriately. Whereever possible, I do these things when the buyer/seller is present, so they can see I'm not BSing and I do know what I'm talking about. This protects me from 16 pgs of BS should the buyer do something stupid to the motor and claim its my fault. If the crank run out is right at spec, then I'll drop the price a little and say that the crank/pistons/etc are right at spec and buyer might want to inspect the "whatever" and replace parts as required (the same thing I would do if I was keeping the motor). If they then choose to run it and it blows up in 50 miles, too bad for them, you didn't take my advice - no money refunded. If you ask top dollar and say its mint and you don't do your homework to protect yourself, then you leave the door open for it to come back and hit you in the ass.
As a buyer I usually inspect things after I bought them anyway, and replace stuff accordingly, just because I don't trust people easily.
Bought a sled for the old man, did a compression test, 75PSI on PTO side. Seller could not believe it, did it again with another tester, same result. Looked in exhaust port, broken ring....seller dropped price accordingly to have top end re-done and we were both happy.
My repuation and word mean more to me than ripping someone off for their hard earned cash, at the end of the day the only person you have to be accountable to is the one in the mirror. Some people have no problems ripping others off, however what goes around comes around and the internet makes the world very small, and a reputation will follow you everywhere - be it good or bad.
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So much for politics.........I'm fawked.......
The point of tearing it down is to back up what you are saying about the failure and prove it was the cause, seeing the damage is critical, otherwise all you've got is hearsay. If you're going to make accusations like on this thread in an open forum, you better be willing to back them up and not back out at the last minute and say you're not going to tear down the motor. Saying you have determined the cause without teardown? LOL got x-ray vision?
Flip the motor upside down, split the case and confirm there was a leak or the rod had previously damaged the case and it was a shoddy repair job, then bolt the case back together, there's no "mess of parts". Everything else is just speculation at this point. I'm out.
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