new back country regulations

[ferniesnow]

Like I said earlier, with those folks we won't win. And they have the bureaucrats and politicians to back them. The politicians get more votes that way; it is the socially acceptable thing to doo.

We can't win for loosing!

 

[Old Boy]

Good Morn I have a hard time with all this. If we all stop enjoying the bush and look after it that's great. Then we step aside and let logging and mineing go and do what they want with any valley. We all seem to just exploit ? Or is it that we are just to many. The goverment all ready has the rules to look after the land and they do nothing? The end. Going Fishing.

 

[ferniesnow]

and those same greenies live in wood built houses and hate logging lol

Willy, you are starting to come around! There were times I thought you were a Joey but there just might be hope to you!

 

[d mills]

oh Fernie i know alot more then u think i know lol

Not likely....

 

[ferniesnow]

oh Fernie i know alot more then u think i know lol

Maybe you should start showing your true colors then!

 

[snopro]

this Millsy guy knows everything !! listn to him lol

Glad to see you've been paying attention Willy.

 

[ferniesnow]

like take the turban off ???

I was referring to your typing and what gets laid down on the page.

 

[d mills]

i'm pretty far away from knowing everything....or anything

 

[ferniesnow]

i'm pretty far away from knowing everything....or anything

That wasn't that evident in the Poo vs Doo bash the other night....just saying!

 

[snopro]

i'm pretty far away from knowing everything....or anything

Your a rocket scientist compared to your debating partner there from Nelson.

 

[JaySimon]

I don't need to know anything, I have a G/F.

Saved a bundle on encylopedias as well.

 

[d mills]

That wasn't that evident in the Poo vs Doo bash the other night....just saying!

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.....and it doesn't take a genius to figure out ski doo superiority....haha

 

[jbb]

So how did this thread go from finding out the new reg's to who has a bigger cock. Willy or the rest of you? And willy. Just for you. Have you seen the fines for disregarding the reg's and damaging the enviroment? Up to a 100g. Dont think it wont effect you. Theres will always be some tree hugging homo group lurking from there tree waiting to turn you in. Just sayin.

 

[jbb]

not siding with anyone here but willy is right in that ski tenures for the most part aren't exclusive use of the land, only exclusive commercial use. Brc along with great northern and many others still try to tell sledders that they are on private land/cat trails - one of brc's guides tried that bs on us 2 years ago and i got an apology out of kieran later for his guides actions.

It's not the land tenures that are going to close us out of our crown land, it's the non-motorized recreationists and their big lawyers. For some reason we have elected officials who have the same mentality as skiers instead of sledders. That is what it simply comes down to.

ive read up on a lot of the tenture bs too and that about somes it up. The only things that can shut an area down are, if its a provincial park(and yes they can force you to pay to ridein it) or if its a mining tenture. They can have the area shut down. Plowed forestry rds are off limits to. And if you all wanna know about if ya have to pay trail fee's. I can clear that one up for ya to...

 

[ferniesnow]

The only things that can shut an area down are, if its a provincial park(and yes they can force you to pay to ridein it) or if its a mining tenture. They can have the area shut down.

FYI, if the area is an AMA (Access Management Area controlled by the Ministry), they can shut that down also. They have dates on them for various endeavours but we are at the mercy of bureaucrats. As an example, if an AMA has more grizzly bear denning activity, it can be shut down for snowmobiling with the stroke of a pen from a biologist. Also, the AMA's can be formed with the stroke of a pen and little consultation. The east Kootenays has way more than it's share and east of Fernie and north of highway #3 there are 6 of those suckers. Some allow snowmobiling, some don't, some have certain periods or roads only for quads but most don't.

IMHO, the AMA's are just one step closer to the park and I hate them with a passion.

 

[jbb]

FYI, if the area is an AMA (Access Management Area controlled by the Ministry), they can shut that down also. They have dates on them for various endeavours but we are at the mercy of bureaucrats. As an example, if an AMA has more grizzly bear denning activity, it can be shut down for snowmobiling with the stroke of a pen from a biologist. Also, the AMA's can be formed with the stroke of a pen and little consultation. The east Kootenays has way more than it's share and east of Fernie and north of highway #3 there are 6 of those suckers. Some allow snowmobiling, some don't, some have certain periods or roads only for quads but most don't.

IMHO, the AMA's are just one step closer to the park and I hate them with a passion.

the kootenays are kind in a fawked up situation. they gave away to much. i hear what your saying.there was a artical called this land is who's land? good read about the kootenays. i heard so much bs about tentures and club rights, that i sat an read through hrs of this stuff. forestry can shut areas down to. but if i remember right mining had the biggest stroke of them all. now ic this alpine ban for 1700m. first i heard 1400. that would have been bad!!!

 

[kootenaycat]

Good Morn I have a hard time with all this. If we all stop enjoying the bush and look after it that's great. Then we step aside and let logging and mineing go and do what they want with any valley. We all seem to just exploit ? Or is it that we are just to many. The goverment all ready has the rules to look after the land and they do nothing? The end. Going Fishing.

Logging and mining bring multi millions of dollars in tax revenue in so yes they can do practically anything. I've seen numerous alpine meadows scarred up from a mining company bulldozing a line across (or zig-zagging) just looking for a showing they "suspect" may be there. Do they get fined? Of course not. Logging companies run their equipment through the bush destroying everything but they are allowed where we can't even create a new quad trail through a forest without jumping through hoops with all the political BS.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. QUADS BRING IN LITTLE TAX REVENUE, INDUSTRY BRINGS IN MOST OF IT.

 

[Modman]

ive read up on a lot of the tenture bs too and that about somes it up. The only things that can shut an area down are, if its a provincial park(and yes they can force you to pay to ridein it) or if its a mining tenture. They can have the area shut down. Plowed forestry rds are off limits to. And if you all wanna know about if ya have to pay trail fee's. I can clear that one up for ya to...

Well this thread is still about backcountry regs and the reason it was mildy derailed was because of some peeps who want to ramble on about an issue that affects all of us and pretend it magically won't ever affect them in their "backyard", when instead they should just STFU.

For the record, there are many more ways that areas can be shut down and tenures are just one. Tenures are granted by the government, and so before its just assumed you can ride there based on what some dude on the internet said, unless you have the specific tenure agreement, you better do some research because tenure agreements are not all the same and riding in some tenured areas requires access across private property, which the tenure holder will pay to secure approval and you won't have, so technically you would be trespassing (See Island Lake Lodge for example where snowmobile traffic is not permitted on the Mount Fernie Park Road /private property owned by ILL).

CRAs, forest reserves, glaciers (Catamount, Jumbo etc), animal closures, private property, watersheds, ecologically sensitive areas, etc etc are all other examples of things that can shut an area down, tenures are only 10% of the issue. Thunder Meadows in Fernie is an example of this where the Fernie Ski Touring Association lobbied the govt for a special permit to have the area closed to motorized recreation. Its not tenured, its not provincial park, you just aren't allowed to sled there because of a piece of paper that was issued. Yep its just that easy to close an area Willy.

The Olive Hut in Radium and the Catamount and Northstar Glaciers have been a very touchy subject for many years where sledders have disregarded the rules set out by Tourism about sledding on the close glaciers, to the point where it is even noted on the CVHS webpage now "Winter visitors should be aware that illegal snowmobile activity on Catamount Glacier is frequent." Wonder how that affects our public image which ultimately affects things like these new "regulations" they are proposing. I sure hope the regs don't change and I sure hope we lose the guys from our sport who think it will never happen to them, as they are the first ones to come crying when a closure impacts them. If people spent as much time thinking and fighting to keep areas open as they do burning bridges, we'd have more areas to ride, instead of less. Peace out kids

 

[ferniesnow]

Well this thread is still about backcountry regs and the reason it was mildy derailed was because of some peeps who want to ramble on about an issue that affects all of us and pretend it magically won't ever affect them in their "backyard", when instead they should just STFU.

For the record, there are many more ways that areas can be shut down and tenures are just one. Tenures are granted by the government, and so before its just assumed you can ride there based on what some dude on the internet said, unless you have the specific tenure agreement, you better do some research because tenure agreements are not all the same and riding in some tenured areas requires access across private property, which the tenure holder will pay to secure approval and you won't have, so technically you would be trespassing (See Island Lake Lodge for example where snowmobile traffic is not permitted on the Mount Fernie Park Road /private property owned by ILL).

CRAs, forest reserves, glaciers (Catamount, Jumbo etc), animal closures, private property, watersheds, ecologically sensitive areas, etc etc are all other examples of things that can shut an area down, tenures are only 10% of the issue. Thunder Meadows in Fernie is an example of this where the Fernie Ski Touring Association lobbied the govt for a special permit to have the area closed to motorized recreation. Its not tenured, its not provincial park, you just aren't allowed to sled there because of a piece of paper that was issued. Yep its just that easy to close an area Willy.

The Olive Hut in Radium and the Catamount and Northstar Glaciers have been a very touchy subject for many years where sledders have disregarded the rules set out by Tourism about sledding on the close glaciers, to the point where it is even noted on the CVHS webpage now "Winter visitors should be aware that illegal snowmobile activity on Catamount Glacier is frequent." Wonder how that affects our public image which ultimately affects things like these new "regulations" they are proposing. I sure hope the regs don't change and I sure hope we lose the guys from our sport who think it will never happen to them, as they are the first ones to come crying when a closure impacts them. If people spent as much time thinking and fighting to keep areas open as they do burning bridges, we'd have more areas to ride, instead of less. Peace out kids

Great post modman. Thunder Meadows is cool. An agreement on a hand shake with the FSA; snowmobiles are allowed after March 15th. Even the ski touring peeps have to skin up until that time. After March 15, snowmobiles have a corridor to use and we try to refrain from tearing up the terrain around the cabin and in the corridor so that we can get to the other side without gong to Galloway.

 

[ferniesnow]

the sledders in vegas dont really like idiots from other countrys telling them where they can and cant ride Sledding at BRC will be enjoyed for years to come

Willy, this is onto 9 friggin' pages and you still don't get it! Times are changing. Modman gave you a few pointers and the biggest one is to join the fight! Don't keep going blind down the same old path....