My experience with the Tesla Model 3

[X-it]

Just because you put in 20x the chargers does not mean you have the power available to charge them. Alberta you voted in the NDP and they shut down your high tech coal fired plants at an enormous cost, then spent ridiculous amount of money putting in a 1000 wind mills that don't do jacksh!t as far as power goes. These cars take a lot of power to charge!!! a month of being plugged into a 110 outlet might charge them up.

 

[lilduke]

Relax,there isn't very many EVs out there in Alberta right now. Could be 50 new plants up and running by the time its an issue.

 

[NoBrakes!]

Lets get them coal burners back up and running! gotta charge the EVs lol. truthfully, they can convert them turbines to natural gas pretty easily I'd imagine...

 

[Stompin Tom]

Lets get them coal burners back up and running! gotta charge the EVs lol. truthfully, they can convert them turbines to natural gas pretty easily I'd imagine...

and stimulate the BC coal mining economy.

 

[Stompin Tom]

I think like the E Cars, the electric semi will be targeted more at local deliveries of bulky lighter weight items. For heavy long haul there isn't a battery that could provide what the work environment requires. Might be room for some hybrid tech though if that super capacitor battery pan out?

I believe this to be the future as well, it wont be long before large centers, ie LA, mandate all P&D have to be electric to help with the smog problems.

Site C is looking more and more like another good decision by the SoCred Liberals in BC, fortunately the NDP didnt figure out a way to shut them down.

 

[Rene G]

Lets get them coal burners back up and running! gotta charge the EVs lol. truthfully, they can convert them turbines to natural gas pretty easily I'd imagine...

I can see that happening here in AB, especially once we get rid of the NDP.

 

[X-it]

We have been importing power for a long time in BC, nice to see David Suzuki with his protest sign at the site C dam, to bad pricks like him would not have to sit down and answer some real questions from a person like Ezra.

 

[52weekbreak]

I seem to recall that there is an excess amount of power developed here in Alberta but not sure if that is still the case. Iam with Stompin Tom and I think Site C will go...eventually. You know how this goes. Nothing happens until it is a crisis.

I can see that happening here in AB, especially once we get rid of the NDP.

 

[jhurkot]

Have over 2800km already. Pretty happy so far but one issue I need to address is the windows and handles can get a bit sticky when it’s cold. I’m going to apply some silicone to the rubber door seal as this is apparently common with frameless doors. If you preheat the cabin for 15minutes it seems to solve this problem. I have also read some posts about the charge cable lock pin freezing but have yet to experience any issues. It’s really neat that they are able to fix and improve the vehicle with software updates. It is like an iPad on wheels.

My 600km trip used the equivalent of 3 gallons (33kWh = 1 gallon) of gasoline which I find to be quite respectable.

 

[rsaruk]

I think like the E Cars, the electric semi will be targeted more at local deliveries of bulky lighter weight items. For heavy long haul there isn't a battery that could provide what the work environment requires. Might be room for some hybrid tech though if that super capacitor battery pan out?

https://nikolamotor.com/motor

 

[NoBrakes!]

I have to say the larger Tesla sedan is a beautiful car in person. Parked next to one the other day and really took a look.

 

[Couch]

https://nikolamotor.com/motor

See the off road vehicles they have on the drawing board? 590 hp! Looking forward to the day there will be a viable electric sled!

 

[jpmez69]

See the off road vehicles they have on the drawing board? 590 hp! Looking forward to the day there will be a viable electric sled!

Definitely a company to keep an eye on in the near future.

 

[ABMax24]

I don't want to derail this thread but figure I'll add some facts to this:

Just because you put in 20x the chargers does not mean you have the power available to charge them. Alberta you voted in the NDP and they shut down your high tech coal fired plants at an enormous cost, then spent ridiculous amount of money putting in a 1000 wind mills that don't do jacksh!t as far as power goes. These cars take a lot of power to charge!!! a month of being plugged into a 110 outlet might charge them up.

The vast majority of Alberta's wind turbines were built or approved to be built before the NDP got into power. Also our newest and most advanced coal power plants are still operating, a few were shut down early but only by a couple years, this was a decision made by the NDP, it was a compromise that by shutting down a couple of the older plants early a couple more modern ones could operate longer.

Lets get them coal burners back up and running! gotta charge the EVs lol. truthfully, they can convert them turbines to natural gas pretty easily I'd imagine...

This isn't an Alberta government decision, the policy to phase out all coal power plants by 2030 in Canada was made by the Federal Conservative Government back in 2012.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...l-fired-plant-emissions-rules/article4522237/

Yes it is possible to convert a coal plant to burn natural gas, there are 2 plants in Alberta that have been converted, they just aren't near as efficient as using combined cycle gas turbine plants.

 

[Cdnfireman]

All we have to do is look at what happened to electricity prices in Ontario after Kathleen Wynn and the rest of that gang got done destroying the electricity industry there. Shut down all the coal plants, then fail to replace them with something reliable. The result is that power is now bought on the spot market from outside the province and we all get to pay $700-1000 a month for electricity. Once the coal plants are gone and aren’t replaced with anything, we get to buy electricity from BC. And they get to charge whatever they want for it because we have no alternative. What a good idea that is!

 

[ABMax24]

All we have to do is look at what happened to electricity prices in Ontario after Kathleen Wynn and the rest of that gang got done destroying the electricity industry there. Shut down all the coal plants, then fail to replace them with something reliable. The result is that power is now bought on the spot market from outside the province and we all get to pay $700-1000 a month for electricity. Once the coal plants are gone and aren’t replaced with anything, we get to buy electricity from BC. And they get to charge whatever they want for it because we have no alternative. What a good idea that is!

The beauty of Alberta is if electricity prices skyrocket very quickly lots of natural gas plants will be built as there will be huge profits to be made because our system is privatized. This will in turn lower the cost again as the plants come online.

Assuming that someone doesn't have this thought ahead of time and preemptively build the natural gas plants.

 

[jhurkot]

I took the day off sledding today because my crew was pretty hungover. I visited some friends (an older married couple) across town. The husband is retired now and does a lot of mechanical work in his shop to keep busy. Mostly automotive stuff. When I walked in he was working on a smart car that had a rough running engine.

We walked back to the house to go have a coffee and he immediately noticed the car. His first comment was “where the hell is the dash? There are no gauges!” I explained everything was done on the middle display. He said “hell no! I like to turn the key and feel the engine rumble!” I pulled out my phone and showed him how I can drive the car forward and reverse out of parking spaces with the app on my phone. He was in shock.

Had a couple coffees and finally talked him and his wife into going for a little spin. They both seemed pretty impressed with how quiet it was and the instant acceleration. He definitively became more interested and had a ton of questions. The roads were covered in snow so I wasn’t able to give a demo of the autopilot. I thought it was interesting to see how his views changed from start to finish.

 

[Summitric]

​

September 12, 2018 by Adam Malik

​

[h=1]Report shows significant cost savings of EVs[/h]

Canadians can save a whack of dough by buying an electric vehicle, according to a new study – upwards of 77 per cent when compared to the costs of operating and maintaining a gas-powered vehicle.The 2 Degrees Institute compared the costs of fuel and maintenance of operating battery electric and gas-powered vehicles in each province in Canada. The report, “Comparing Fuel and Maintenance Costs of Electric and Gas Powered Vehicles in Canada,” found that beyond it being cheaper to operate an electric vehicle, Canadian households can save 66-77 per cent in operating costs by giving up traditional internal combustion engines.The report looked only at out-of-pocket expenses over a 10-year period if a vehicle was driven 250,000 km over that time. The Institute used provincial average gas prices, electricity rates, vehicle maintenance costs and the average distance travelled by household.It did not study costs associated with an electric vehicle such as ride performance, reduced greenhouse gas emissions and time spent arranging service appointments and at gas stations. Depreciation and insurance were also not included. The report, however, stated that depreciation – while once higher in EVs, — is more or less even in either engine option, it would expect electric vehicles to depreciate slower as re-selling an internal combustion engine vehicle “may become virtually impossible, while this is unlikely to be true of BEVs.”“We knew that EVs were less expensive to operate, but after running the numbers, we were completely surprised by how substantial the savings were,” said James Pawley, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and an author of the study.The study used two vehicles from each of Volkswagen and Kia vehicles – one electric and one combustion vehicle option from each brand.​

[h=3]“We knew that EVs were less expensive to operate, but after running the numbers, we were completely surprised by how substantial the savings were.”[/h]

— James Pawley, University of Wisconsin-Madison​

Purchase price is a barrier cited by many as to why electric vehicles make up just 2 per cent of sales in Canada. The study found that lifetime fuel and maintenance costs will run internal combustion engine car owners $45,000 on average, compared to just $13,000 with an electric option.“These savings should be factored in when comparing the purchase price of BEVs and ICEs,” the report concluded, noting that some battery electric vehicles can be purchased for under $18,000, which means the car could pay for itself in fuel and maintenance savings alone.The report also touted the benefits of moving away from fossil carbon as a fuel source, and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.“The large savings that Canadians can enjoy, make the switch to electric a no-brainer,” the institute said in an announcement.​

 

[Cdnfireman]

September 12, 2018 by Adam Malik Report shows significant cost savings of EVs

Canadians can save a whack of dough by buying an electric vehicle, according to a new study – upwards of 77 per cent when compared to the costs of operating and maintaining a gas-powered vehicle.The 2 Degrees Institute compared the costs of fuel and maintenance of operating battery electric and gas-powered vehicles in each province in Canada. The report, “Comparing Fuel and Maintenance Costs of Electric and Gas Powered Vehicles in Canada,” found that beyond it being cheaper to operate an electric vehicle, Canadian households can save 66-77 per cent in operating costs by giving up traditional internal combustion engines.The report looked only at out-of-pocket expenses over a 10-year period if a vehicle was driven 250,000 km over that time. The Institute used provincial average gas prices, electricity rates, vehicle maintenance costs and the average distance travelled by household.It did not study costs associated with an electric vehicle such as ride performance, reduced greenhouse gas emissions and time spent arranging service appointments and at gas stations. Depreciation and insurance were also not included. The report, however, stated that depreciation – while once higher in EVs, — is more or less even in either engine option, it would expect electric vehicles to depreciate slower as re-selling an internal combustion engine vehicle “may become virtually impossible, while this is unlikely to be true of BEVs.”“We knew that EVs were less expensive to operate, but after running the numbers, we were completely surprised by how substantial the savings were,” said James Pawley, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and an author of the study.The study used two vehicles from each of Volkswagen and Kia vehicles – one electric and one combustion vehicle option from each brand.​

“We knew that EVs were less expensive to operate, but after running the numbers, we were completely surprised by how substantial the savings were.”

— James Pawley, University of Wisconsin-Madison​

Purchase price is a barrier cited by many as to why electric vehicles make up just 2 per cent of sales in Canada. The study found that lifetime fuel and maintenance costs will run internal combustion engine car owners $45,000 on average, compared to just $13,000 with an electric option.“These savings should be factored in when comparing the purchase price of BEVs and ICEs,” the report concluded, noting that some battery electric vehicles can be purchased for under $18,000, which means the car could pay for itself in fuel and maintenance savings alone.The report also touted the benefits of moving away from fossil carbon as a fuel source, and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.“The large savings that Canadians can enjoy, make the switch to electric a no-brainer,” the institute said in an announcement.​

Hardly a fair study when you read the text and learn of their biased assumptions for the EV and against the gasser.

 

[LBZ]

I wonder if said institute took into consideration battery life, recycling costs of said batteries, downtime on a trip due to recharging. You know, real world stuff.

Kind of a crock of $hit their resale spiel too. Who wants to buy an 8-10 y/o electric car that needs ~8g in batteries around the same time as iirc that’s the expected life and cost of the average ev no?

A 10 y/o focus goes for about 3-4g and engine/trans wise could probably last awhile yet figuring their numbers of 250k km. An electric vehicle with an original purchase price of about the same that needs batteries isn’t gonna be worth $hit.