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Because they burn gas. To be truly acceptable to the greenies you have to divorce yourself fully from hydrocarbons.....
My experience with the Tesla Model 3
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Because they burn gas. To be truly acceptable to the greenies you have to divorce yourself fully from hydrocarbons.....
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Or maybe it was because the battery would not last as long as the engine, and the battery was way to expensive to replace?
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They're not necessarily being skipped over. Our Toyota dealer can't keep the Rav4 hybrids in stock for long, they sell as fast as the factory can build them. This is for a good reason, the standard version gets 7.9 L/100km combined, the hybrid gets 6.0L/100km combined, and only for a $2100 price premium.
Toyota also has the Rav4 Prime, which is a plug in hybrid with a larger battery, up to 60km on electric only, then the engine kicks in. Also the same issue with availability, most dealers are only getting one Rav4 Prime per model year.
Our Ford dealers are similar, they have close to 50 gas units for every hybrid, and the hybrids they have are all full load for options, hardly the cost effective option if that's why the buyer is looking at a hybrid.
A lot of it simply comes down to availability, if you want a hybrid or electric you're far more likely to be able to find a pure EV like a Tesla.
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Kinda wasnt what I was getting at. 2035 is the target for manufactures especially GM to have a exclusive electric lineup.
That is not alot of time when yah think about it. When I looked at a hybrid highlander, the extra cost was not worth it. It was 12g more for a hybrid.
So what did I miss??? Where are all of the hybrids??? Not alot on the road in the last 10 years when I looked at buying one, or are they all hiding in major cities???
That is not alot of time when yah think about it. When I looked at a hybrid highlander, the extra cost was not worth it. It was 12g more for a hybrid.
So what did I miss??? Where are all of the hybrids??? Not alot on the road in the last 10 years when I looked at buying one, or are they all hiding in major cities???
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I still believe it has to do with availability. I know I've never had the option of buying a hybrid, simply because they aren't made in the types of vehicles we own. Plus it's kind of redundant, now the vehicle has to some extent 2 drivetrains, as you've found that drives up the cost.
Will GM be able to go all electric by 2035, who knows. If they get to it aggressively like Tesla has they have a reasonable chance, if they continue to proceed with development like they have in the past they won't make it.
Part of me thinks its a marketing ploy, lots can happen in 14 years, pretty easy to sweep something like all electric by 2035 under the rug.
Will GM be able to go all electric by 2035, who knows. If they get to it aggressively like Tesla has they have a reasonable chance, if they continue to proceed with development like they have in the past they won't make it.
Part of me thinks its a marketing ploy, lots can happen in 14 years, pretty easy to sweep something like all electric by 2035 under the rug.
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Is that the model with the heat pump climate control, and the battery heater?
It's an interesting question. I guess the main point is that a hybrid is a lot closer to a gas than an electric, in the sense that it still needs all the gas maintenance and upkeep, and of course you fill it at the pump.
So I think a hybrid shouldn't displace a electric or compete for the same owner. It's more question of, if I want to buy car X, and it is offered in hybrid and gas, 'Why would you buy it in gas?' The fuel economy gains seem pretty large to favor the hybrid and pay back that initial purchase price.
For example here's a quick article about the comparison between a RAV4 and RAV4 Hybrid. It's from the US, but they say there is only $1k purchase price difference. Highway economy is barely different, but city economy is definitely significant and should pay back that $1k in not too long.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/rav4/2020/toyota-rav4-vs-rav4-hybrid/
52weekbreak
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I was chatting with a taxi driver while in Victoria who operated a Prius. I asked him how he liked the hybrid. He said it had treated him very well and has 1,120,000 KMS and has been very good maintenance wise. All the drive train was original apart from scheduled maintenance and normal wear (tires, brakes and interiors as the car is constantly in use so seat covers and foams had been replaced three times. At 600,000 KMS the battery started to fail but he located a relatively new set salvaged from a write off for $1.500. Consistently gets 4 L per 100 KMS on driving around Victoria and on the freeway to the airport. The Prius rides like a wheel barrow and makes a minivan seem downright sexy by comparison but that is a pretty amazing economy and longevity.
It is.
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Driving: Saskatchewan EV drivers protest $150 tax.
https://www.driving.ca/auto-news/news/saskatchewan-ev-drivers-protest-150-tax
https://www.driving.ca/auto-news/news/saskatchewan-ev-drivers-protest-150-tax
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They need to pay for the roads somehow. How can they expect a free ride? If they don't, a broad tax on electricity may be added for everyone to pay.
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jhurkot
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The 200 EV's in Saskatchewan are going to pay for new roads for the entire province. No more driving in the ditch to avoid potholes!
Cdnfireman
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Better be careful.....don’t want that crowd losing control and swinging their purses at everyone....
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It does bring up a valid point, how do you fairly ensure all road users pay for the roads. I think in this case the EV's still get a fair deal, $150 works out to the road tax on 1000 liters of gasoline in Sask, which would allow the best of small cars to travel 15,000km or a pickup roughly 5,000km.
I did see one proposal suggesting to put the tax on tires, as tire replacement is somewhat proportional to mileage and road wear, but it also varies greatly based on tire type which brings up other issues.
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If there is only 200 of them they better up that tax. Really it is probably equal to the tax most others pay each year with their fuel tax. Easier to implement it now so they only piss off 200 people and not wait until it's 200,000.
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I think ABMax24's point is that everyone pays for roads through a fuel tax if you are driving a vehicle with a combustion engine. The $150 tax for electric vehicles goes a way in making sure they each pay their share. I imagine there will be many more in the next few years and they can always adjust the amount of the tax.
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[h=1]Driverless Tesla Model S crashes in Texas, killing both passengers[/h]Officials said the battery inside Tesla ignited after the collision, causing a fire that burned for four hours before it could be extinguished
A Tesla Inc. electric car that “no one” appeared to be driving crashed late Saturday in Texas, erupting into flames and killing the two passengers, according to local authorities.
One victim was found in the front passenger seat of a 2019 Model S and the other was in the rear, Harris County Precinct 4 Constable Mark Herman said in a telephone interview. The car ran into a tree north of Houston after traveling at high speed and failing to navigate a turn.
The position of the victims, statements and other physical evidence suggest that “no one was driving the vehicle at the time of impact,” Herman said. “It’s still under investigation.”
Herman said his office is coordinating with federal authorities, without specifying which ones, and didn’t know whether the Autopilot feature was engaged.
Officials in Houston said the battery inside Tesla ignited after the collision, causing a fire that burned for four hours and required more than 113,562 liters of water to put out.
“Our office has never experienced a crash scene like this,” Herman told KHOU. “Normally, when the fire department arrives, they have a vehicle fire under control in minutes, but this went on for hours.”
Video footage from the crash scene captured by KHOU showed the vehicle’s smoldering frame, with nearly all of its exterior and interior structures destroyed by the fire.
[h=1]Driverless Tesla Model S crashes in Texas, killing both passengers[/h]Officials said the battery inside Tesla ignited after the collision, causing a fire that burned for four hours before it could be extinguished
A Tesla Inc. electric car that “no one” appeared to be driving crashed late Saturday in Texas, erupting into flames and killing the two passengers, according to local authorities.
One victim was found in the front passenger seat of a 2019 Model S and the other was in the rear, Harris County Precinct 4 Constable Mark Herman said in a telephone interview. The car ran into a tree north of Houston after traveling at high speed and failing to navigate a turn.
The position of the victims, statements and other physical evidence suggest that “no one was driving the vehicle at the time of impact,” Herman said. “It’s still under investigation.”
Herman said his office is coordinating with federal authorities, without specifying which ones, and didn’t know whether the Autopilot feature was engaged.
Officials in Houston said the battery inside Tesla ignited after the collision, causing a fire that burned for four hours and required more than 113,562 liters of water to put out.
“Our office has never experienced a crash scene like this,” Herman told KHOU. “Normally, when the fire department arrives, they have a vehicle fire under control in minutes, but this went on for hours.”
Video footage from the crash scene captured by KHOU showed the vehicle’s smoldering frame, with nearly all of its exterior and interior structures destroyed by the fire.
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