massive crash Mar 21/13

[X-it]

Re: massive crash

That is already in place

 

[Wilk INStheWEST]

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That is already in place

I was being sarcastic. There are so many drivers out there who can't do the basics, yes I'm sure they test that stuff but they need to be harder on it.
I see way too many drivers:
1) indicating mid way through their turn (which makes me think they just hit the indicator as their hands are passing by it as they are turning the wheel)
2) coming to a complete stop on a merge lane to wait for a big enough space to get in, when they should be speeding up to match the speed of traffic and then adjust speed to merge into a hole in traffic. Passive drivers are so dangerous on the road.
3) If I have my truck in cruise control at 120 on Hwy 1, I will pass someone, just to have them pass me 30 seconds later doing 130, I then pass them a minute later doing 100, then they go flying by a couple minutes later at 140....

Being able to recover from a skid is useful for 3 or 4 months of the year, but being able to merge is required 365 days a year. Perhaps those who take a driving course which teaches advanced skills, such as skid recovery should get a break on their insurance, to make it worthwhile for people to want to learn these things.

 

[sledneck_03]

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I was being sarcastic. There are so many drivers out there who can't do the basics, yes I'm sure they test that stuff but they need to be harder on it.
I see way too many drivers:
1) indicating mid way through their turn (which makes me think they just hit the indicator as their hands are passing by it as they are turning the wheel)
2) coming to a complete stop on a merge lane to wait for a big enough space to get in, when they should be speeding up to match the speed of traffic and then adjust speed to merge into a hole in traffic. Passive drivers are so dangerous on the road.
3) If I have my truck in cruise control at 120 on Hwy 1, I will pass someone, just to have them pass me 30 seconds later doing 130, I then pass them a minute later doing 100, then they go flying by a couple minutes later at 140....



Being able to recover from a skid is useful for 3 or 4 months of the year, but being able to merge is required 365 days a year. Perhaps those who take a driving course which teaches advanced skills, such as skid recovery should get a break on their insurance, to make it worthwhile for people to want to learn these things.

saskatoon is terrible, this morning even this guy signaled for about 100 ft, it was bumper to bumper 20 km traffic on a 90 km freeway, this suv behind him in the lane he wanted to go in would not back off. he finally lane changed and the suv still no brakes at all. i was like holy hell let the guy lane change! the guy barely squeezed in... its ridiculous! like sorry letting some one in is going to make you an hour late or your first born die or something. it was already 5 minutes to 8 so we were going to be late once off the freeway.

also what drives me crazy is turning south on 51st to warman road and there is a merge lane! like your own lane for just you! and people sit there on the brakes and wait for no traffic, if they would just look forward they would see they have their own lane, no one can hit them. This causes back ups blocks away......drives me crazy. Ill lay on the horn if people stop there, there's no yield or stop sign or anything just a sign pointing out you have your own lane, and they freak out and floor it after ive been laying on the horn and then realize everything is ok and drive normal.

 

[teeroy]

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3) If I have my truck in cruise control at 120 on Hwy 1, I will pass someone, just to have them pass me 30 seconds later doing 130, I then pass them a minute later doing 100, then they go flying by a couple minutes later at 140....

I hauled a shear to red deer a few weeks back, it was snowing and the roads weren't too bad but I saw the same thing over and over again. I had the cruise set at a buck ten, can't believe how crazy the QE2 has become for idiot drivers.

watching the news reports I think it's hilarious that the consensus seems to be the roads are at fault....no one can own up to driving too fast for the conditions.

 

[Wilk INStheWEST]

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2 is brutal! The roads aren't that bad at all, they just need to drive to the conditions. Give space to the vehicle in front and TURN YOUR DAMN LIGHTS ON if it's anything but clear out, don't just rely on automatic light. It's very difficult to see a silver or white vehicle in rain, fog, or snow!!!

 

[Pistonbroke]

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The real reason for the trouble on the QE2....

 

[X-it]

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Sure we only get 4 months of winter driving, but that is when the lions share of all the accidents happened.... the main cause is people who cannot control their vehicals are behind the wheel hoping not to loose control... this can be fixed with proper driver training.

 

[Wilk INStheWEST]

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Sure we only get 4 months of winter driving, but that is when the lions share of all the accidents happened.... the main cause is people who cannot control their vehicals are behind the wheel hoping not to loose control... this can be fixed with proper driver training.

I COMPLETELY agree with you on this, but I feel that if people understood the basics to begin with the probability that they will get their vehicle into a situation where they NEED to control a skid, etc. will be greatly reduced. I think that proper driver training should avoid these situations all together.
Drive for the conditions, signal your intentions to others on the road, leave a good following distance, etc, etc, etc, can all help you to prevent your vehicle from ever getting into a slide. For instance, stomping on the gas doesn't help give you traction in snow/ice/wet conditions. Last week, I was driving from Calgary to the Edmonton Airport for work, and I drive late at night to make my 6 am flight. It was a clear night out, with a lot of wind giving some blowing snow on the highway. I was driving along at 110 (on cruise), and there were some flashing lights up ahead. So I slow down to 60 and make sure I'm in the lane away from the police car (there was a semi in the ditch, so the emergency vehicles were in the left lane), and I drive past the scene. Once I got past the area, and in a moment of fatigue from driving at 3am (I did make sure I got some sleep before I left) I just hit 'RESUME' on my cruise control. Now when your cruise is set at 110 and you are going 60, my truck thought it was a good idea to give it the beans to resume speed, and downshifted. This just started my rear tires spinning on the blowing snow and my truck started to get itself sideways very quick. Normally I would never speed up this way, but I was a little tired and just didn't think about it. Managing the skid was no problem, but my point is, I can't remember the last time that the back end of my truck got out of control like that when I didn't do it on purpose. I've had little slides when in 2WD on a slippery road, but that is nothing, and I will then immediately put it in 4WD.

What I'm saying is that people shouldn't really be getting themselves into these situations if they are driving properly.

 

[imdoo'n]

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the biggest problem i find is people follow to close, then hit the brakes, becomes a chain reaction.

 

[magnet]

I COMPLETELY agree with you on this, but I feel that if people understood the basics to begin with the probability that they will get their vehicle into a situation where they NEED to control a skid, etc. will be greatly reduced. I think that proper driver training should avoid these situations all together.
Drive for the conditions, signal your intentions to others on the road, leave a good following distance, etc, etc, etc, can all help you to prevent your vehicle from ever getting into a slide. For instance, stomping on the gas doesn't help give you traction in snow/ice/wet conditions. Last week, I was driving from Calgary to the Edmonton Airport for work, and I drive late at night to make my 6 am flight. It was a clear night out, with a lot of wind giving some blowing snow on the highway. I was driving along at 110 (on cruise), and there were some flashing lights up ahead. So I slow down to 60 and make sure I'm in the lane away from the police car (there was a semi in the ditch, so the emergency vehicles were in the left lane), and I drive past the scene. Once I got past the area, and in a moment of fatigue from driving at 3am (I did make sure I got some sleep before I left) I just hit 'RESUME' on my cruise control. Now when your cruise is set at 110 and you are going 60, my truck thought it was a good idea to give it the beans to resume speed, and downshifted. This just started my rear tires spinning on the blowing snow and my truck started to get itself sideways very quick. Normally I would never speed up this way, but I was a little tired and just didn't think about it. Managing the skid was no problem, but my point is, I can't remember the last time that the back end of my truck got out of control like that when I didn't do it on purpose. I've had little slides when in 2WD on a slippery road, but that is nothing, and I will then immediately put it in 4WD.

What I'm saying is that people shouldn't really be getting themselves into these situations if they are driving properly.

The problem is idiots who use cruise control in slippery conditions
Then when they spin out they put it in 4x4 thinking it makes the road better.
Dipsticks like this should lose their licence do you also believe 4x4 helps you stop better?
When the roads are slippery slow the fawk down only way it will be any safer.
Ever notice most of these units in the ditch are 4x4.
Js

 

[Pistonbroke]

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the biggest problem i find is people follow to close, then hit the brakes, becomes a cahin reaction.

Yeppers, agreed. My biggest frustrations on the road are the cruise control morons (either on cruise when they shouldn't be, or not in cruise when they should be!) and the tailgaters.

Love it when I'm on cruise, pull out to pass and the wanker speeds up to match or better my speed.

 

[08summit]

2) coming to a complete stop on a merge lane to wait for a big enough space to get in, when they should be speeding up to match the speed of traffic and then adjust speed to merge into a hole in traffic. Passive drivers are so dangerous on the road.

This one is my favorite...I see this everyday coming or going to work. When this happens I'm the guy behind you laying on my horn calling you a Moron. LOL

 

[Wilk INStheWEST]

The problem is idiots who use cruise control in slippery conditions
Then when they spin out they put it in 4x4 thinking it makes the road better.
Dipsticks like this should lose their licence do you also believe 4x4 helps you stop better?
When the roads are slippery slow the fawk down only way it will be any safer.
Ever notice most of these units in the ditch are 4x4.
Js

That's certainly one way to call me out for being a bad driver, and an idiot. I've been in the ditch twice in my driving career, both when I was 17 and in a FWD car with winter tires. One was black ice coming up to a stop sign, and admitted, I was going too fast at that time. The second was on a gravel road in the winter where the plow had just been by recently by and had pushed the snow banks back, because they were getting too high, and the ditch was level with the road. One corner, I got too close to where the ditch was, and my front right tire got sucked in.
I don't think putting it in 4WD makes the roads better, but it DOES make my truck handle better. FWD is a much better system for driving in slippery conditions, as it inherently helps to pull a vehicle out of a skid, while RWD wants to skid in turns. So, 4WD does help. No, it doesn't help you stop better, and out of everything I have posted, I don't know where you got the idea that I think it helps to stop a vehicle better. I've been an advocate for people maintaining a proper following distance and driving to the conditions. If there is any doubt about the road conditions I will always do a stopping test, where I get up to a safe speed and hit the brakes hard (in a safe spot to do so of course).

 

[imdoo'n]

The problem is idiots who use cruise control in slippery conditions
Then when they spin out they put it in 4x4 thinking it makes the road better.
Dipsticks like this should lose their licence do you also believe 4x4 helps you stop better?
When the roads are slippery slow the fawk down only way it will be any safer.
Ever notice most of these units in the ditch are 4x4.
Js

best to just get out of there way and let them go. the vehicles ya see in the ditch are usually the aggressive drivers , but your guess is as good as mine why they are there. may be because a timid driver is only doing 50kph because they shouldn't be there.

 

[Wilk INStheWEST]

best to just get out of there way and let them go. the vehicles ya see in the ditch are usually the aggressive drivers , but your guess is as good as mine why they are there. may be because a timid driver is only doing 50kph because they shouldn't be there.

My motorcycle instructor put this best. When driving on the road, keep the idiots in front of you, when driving on the track, keep them behind you.

 

[imdoo'n]

My motorcycle instructor put this best. When driving on the road, keep the idiots in front of you, when driving on the track, keep them behind you.

true, very true. although years ago on the 401, i had a car throw a empty case of beer bottles on the road in front of me while on a bike.

 

[adamg]

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Sure we only get 4 months of winter driving, but that is when the lions share of all the accidents happened.... the main cause is people who cannot control their vehicals are behind the wheel hoping not to loose control... this can be fixed with proper driver training.

Laws requiring winter tires would help, too.

 

[Wilk INStheWEST]

true, very true. although years ago on the 401, i had a car throw a empty case of beer bottles on the road in front of me while on a bike.

................holy crap!

 

[Pistonbroke]

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Laws requiring winter tires would help, too.

Several European countries do this....BIG fines if you get caught in winter without snow tires.

 

[imdoo'n]

................holy crap!

yes i did, 4 lanes of transport trucks all around doing 120k, decided the smart thing was get outta there, what would they throw out next.