Looks like BRP's leaving us out of this one

[Summiteer]

As far as i'm concerned trail riding is boring.. As well on the trails they have speed limits and such.. One of the reasons i love riding in the hills is the fact that the speed limit is my abilities and common sense.. Not some goverment athority..

Trail riding can be boring, but it's the clubs and the Assn. that are the political voice for the snowmobiler, fighting to keep areas open. You would not believe the hours that the ASA executive have put in getting our (trying to get our) side of the message to the powers that be. Even if you never ride the trails, $70.00 for a trail pass is a small price to pay to have a voice. What's that, a tank and a half , two tanks of fuel?

 

[glengine]

Trail riding can be boring, but it's the clubs and the Assn. that are the political voice for the snowmobiler, fighting to keep areas open. You would not believe the hours that the ASA executive have put in getting our (trying to get our) side of the message to the powers that be. Even if you never ride the trails, $70.00 for a trail pass is a small price to pay to have a voice. What's that, a tank and a half , two tanks of fuel?

Don't get me wrong i fully agree with supporting your local snowmobile club.. I was talking in reference to someone trying to defend BRP and them leaving out BC & AB because our trail sytem is way different over here.. Over here we have to fight even harder i would say to keep th area's to ride open.. So yah all for supporting your local club..

 

[Powder Puff]

So should other clubs be pissed at yammi casue they are not doing anything for them? How about all the other clubs in BC other than Revy? .

I sure hope not. The Revy club and SRS have worked together for yrs. with Yamaha hosting Yamafest and apparently they appreciate all our work.
Yamaha and the RSC celebrated our 40th anniversaries together here last Mar. and we all had a huge opportunity to invite people from all over the province involved in snowmobiling and gov. reps who make all the decisions to come and see what it`s all about. Nothing like showing them 1st hand what your talking about. BRP also donated sleds for the ride and they were here with us also. They saw how Yamaha is supporting mtn. riders and I`m sure it was pointed out to them many times over the wknd. Yamaha also donated money to the CAA last yr. and they supply Amer with a sled to teach avy courses here in B.C.
With the Mtn. Caribou Implementation Plan final decisions that we are all going to hear about soon, I`m hoping the people that rode with us that wknd. all had the days of their lives up there.



70% of the riders that purchase trail passes here are from AB and a lot do purchase memberships now . It`s the people that ride the areas that aren`t groomed and tell us "I don`t need a membership, I don`t ride groomed trails" have to step up now also. They seem to think these areas just take care of themselves. People need to support the clubs and associations in all the areas they ride these days.

BRP has the #1 sled in the mtns. think they don`t know it? I`m gonna bet all the snowmobile clubs/associations in B.C. have hopes, plans and dreams of developing new areas with groomed access and could use some help with trail development.

Send in your e-mails.

 

[brew_doo]

Trail riding can be boring, but it's the clubs and the Assn. that are the political voice for the snowmobiler, fighting to keep areas open. You would not believe the hours that the ASA executive have put in getting our (trying to get our) side of the message to the powers that be. Even if you never ride the trails, $70.00 for a trail pass is a small price to pay to have a voice. What's that, a tank and a half , two tanks of fuel?

Well said.

 

[Sledderglen]

Haggis Yamaha is a leader in a number of things BUT they sure don`t lead in $$$$ into volunteer hands to build trails or maintain. This is what BRP is doing and now they WILL include AB and BC. Come on OTHER Manufactures you all step up to the plate NOW. Haggis Yamaha has to build clean running snowmobiles as well as ALL the other manufactures. But what do they do that supports the grassroots snowmobile club who spends countless hours of their free time making sledding better for the sledders that use the trails?

 

[Summiteer]

BRP changed their minds and decided to include the west in their program, don't send them any more hate mail........:d:d:d
https://www.snowandmud.com/forum/f123/brp-listens-steps-up-7591.html

 

[Haggis]

Haggis Yamaha is a leader in a number of things BUT they sure don`t lead in $$$$ into volunteer hands to build trails or maintain. This is what BRP is doing and now they WILL include AB and BC. Come on OTHER Manufactures you all step up to the plate NOW. Haggis Yamaha has to build clean running snowmobiles as well as ALL the other manufactures. But what do they do that supports the grassroots snowmobile club who spends countless hours of their free time making sledding better for the sledders that use the trails?

Glen - good to see BRP stepped up - now you and Albert don't have to changed brands!!!

Powder Puff sure lists some great examples of the 'grassroots' support that Yamaha has paid to that club - do you not agree? Also note her stats - 70% of trail pass income in the Revy club is from Alberta and increasing numbers pay memberships dues to that club. Sometime I think the ASA and Fort club members are a tad judgemental about local AB sledders not buying passes through AB clubs, but a larger number of us do support clubs in BC (where we like to ride) - clubs are still being supported. My attitude may change when my little guy wants to go trail riding closer to home, but for now my sledding dollars go where I like to ride to support those clubs. Once again congrads to BRP on stepping up to the plate - or rather being shamed into it!!

 

[IMSICK]

The trans canada snowmobile trail goes thru both of those provinces.. And what that means that the summit series of sleds that sell dont cont for there sales or we justaren't important over here to them or what???? Our snowmobile clubs over here couldn't use some donated money to upgrade trails cabins and stuff like that.. I think that the snowmobile clubs over here are just as important as the ones out east, if not more so.. You just look at what the clubs go thru over here to just keep riding area's open, if those area's aren't open for people to ride then why buy a summit if you can't ride it anywhere... So yah i think we are just as important as any club in the east... My two cents..

This is about where I got to and could refrain from laughing anymore..... You guys gotta travel in the winter some time. For those of you who think that "Summit" sales actually exceed or even register as a large percentage of the total sled sales from BRP, pull your head out. Western sales of mountain sleds is a miniscule number compared to the number of trail sleds sold from Manitoba to NFLD.

I think that the snowmobile clubs over here are just as important as the ones out east, if not more so.. You just look at what the clubs go thru over here to just keep riding area's open

Now don't get me wrong.... Clubs out here are important, but for the most part, with the exception of areas like White Court, have very little of an actual trail system. Claiming that keeping areas open makes a club more important is a very narrow minded statement.... Again, before proceeding with the "Alberta and BC are so special" thinking, relize that clubs in Ontario and Quebec fight just as hard to keep areas open where their trail systems go through..... Trails covering tens of thousands of kms, not 20.

Think about the reason Polaris pulled the 900 and left the 600 only..... Because mountain sled sales was nothing compared to how many 600cc trail sleds they sold.

So.... While we are on this. Is it right then when BRPputs on a promotion for sled clubs where they give away mountain sleds in AB & BC but offer nothing in eastern canada..... And YES.. it did happen!!!

 

[Summitric]

Now don't get me wrong.... Clubs out here are important, but for the most part, with the exception of areas like White Court, have very little of an actual trail system. Claiming that keeping areas open makes a club more important is a very narrow minded statement.... Again, before proceeding with the "Alberta and BC are so special" thinking, relize that clubs in Ontario and Quebec fight just as hard to keep areas open where their trail systems go through..... Trails covering tens of thousands of kms, not 20.

Think about the reason Polaris pulled the 900 and left the 600 only..... Because mountain sled sales was nothing compared to how many 600cc trail sleds they sold.

THIS SHOULD BE A GOODER.... DON'T MEAN TO STIR POT, BUT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME RESPONSES TO THIS FROM TRI-COUNTY, FORT MCMURRAY, WESTLOCK, GRAND PRAIRIE, EDSON, ETC. ETC.. ABOUT THEIR 20KMS OF TRAILS(YOU MUST BE THINKIN' ABOUT OUR FT. SASKATCHEWAN SNOW ANGELS TRAILS??), ALSO POLARIS PULLED THE 900 BECAUSE OF THE 600????? WTF?

 

[IMSICK]

we all know why they pulled the 900..... but not offering a replacement was not an issue because as I stated in the above post.... mountain sled sales are not their big money maker.

I don`t know all the clubs with intricate trail systems, and I know when Tumbler was going hard a few years ago, they had a huge system, but in the end, eastern canada still builds and maintains a way bigger trail connector system than western canada and trail sled sales are higher there than here.

I left Ontario when I was 18. The last year I was there, the doo dealer that I bought from ordered in over 400 sleds. That was 16 years ago in a town with a population of 2400 people. Sleds turn into a primary form of travel in norther ontario.... Hell, there was a trail head at the back of my highschool and the school sold trail passes!!!!

Go to any dealer in western canada and see how many new mountain sleds come in.... one of the biggest only brings in 80 to 90 snow checks a year and less than quarter that for walk in sales.

Donèt get me wrong.... Ièm not saying that their decision to not supply western canada with sleds for the clubs is justified, but people need to think from a national perspective the way BRP woul see it versus a local personal perspective.

example: if you are offering a short track 4tek to each club to raffle off.... why pay to ship it out to BC when it will just end up east agian. Chances are, the guy getting it isnèt gonna be the one to stretch and boost it, so, heèll turn around and put it in the classified section on here or SW or where ever and the thing gets bought and shipped elsewhere where it can be utilized. Yes, the club made itès money.... but remember, BRP is still a buisness which, I assume wants to make money.

I donèt say they are right, and maybe they had a different view point, but I get it.
What I would like to see is them do location specific distribution.... send mountain sleds to the mountains and racers to the flat lands..... maybe a freestyle for rics dealer!!!

 

[snotterite]

East...West...Trail...Mountain....I dont give a fugg
When a Company that is and was Nationally FUNDED like a Welfare case, has a promotion. It can fawking well have Nation wide promotion.
Would of be nice every time they come BEGGING for Money, if the WEST could say.....Hey we aren't interested...go lick corn.

 

[glengine]

East...West...Trail...Mountain....I dont give a fugg
When a Company that is and was Nationally FUNDED like a Welfare case, has a promotion. It can fawking well have Nation wide promotion.
Would of be nice every time they come BEGGING for Money, if the WEST could say.....Hey we aren't interested...go lick corn.

I like how they say that they included the west because of the great rersponse they got from the East... Bul&^$% it was all the people emailing and contacting them asking what the hell .. And i think that they decided to include it to stop the insuing flood of hate mail from the west.. They wouldn'y admit that..

 

[glengine]

we all know why they pulled the 900..... but not offering a replacement was not an issue because as I stated in the above post.... mountain sled sales are not their big money maker.

I don`t know all the clubs with intricate trail systems, and I know when Tumbler was going hard a few years ago, they had a huge system, but in the end, eastern canada still builds and maintains a way bigger trail connector system than western canada and trail sled sales are higher there than here.

I left Ontario when I was 18. The last year I was there, the doo dealer that I bought from ordered in over 400 sleds. That was 16 years ago in a town with a population of 2400 people. Sleds turn into a primary form of travel in norther ontario.... Hell, there was a trail head at the back of my highschool and the school sold trail passes!!!!

Go to any dealer in western canada and see how many new mountain sleds come in.... one of the biggest only brings in 80 to 90 snow checks a year and less than quarter that for walk in sales.

Donèt get me wrong.... Ièm not saying that their decision to not supply western canada with sleds for the clubs is justified, but people need to think from a national perspective the way BRP woul see it versus a local personal perspective.

example: if you are offering a short track 4tek to each club to raffle off.... why pay to ship it out to BC when it will just end up east agian. Chances are, the guy getting it isnèt gonna be the one to stretch and boost it, so, heèll turn around and put it in the classified section on here or SW or where ever and the thing gets bought and shipped elsewhere where it can be utilized. Yes, the club made itès money.... but remember, BRP is still a buisness which, I assume wants to make money.

I donèt say they are right, and maybe they had a different view point, but I get it.
What I would like to see is them do location specific distribution.... send mountain sleds to the mountains and racers to the flat lands..... maybe a freestyle for rics dealer!!!

He ythere buddy before you go spoutin off about dealership sales and sizes you had better get your FACTS straight.. For instance for last winter Martin farm snow checked OVER 400 sleds.. Oh yah and by the way they are also the number one BRP dealer for sales in canada.. Just a little fact that might care to know..

 

[Junior Highmark]

I aggreeee, Think about it, bc and alberta are probably the biggest buyers.
Why would we need help with out snowmobiles when the industry is already
strong enough. The reason i think for them giving the other provinces money
is because the other provinces arn't strong enough in the sledding industry
they are trying to get more people to buy more sleds in the other provinces.

 

[Haggis]

Although there is no doubt that sled sales overall would be stronger in Ontario and Quebec - anyone that keeps up with other parts of the country must realise that recession is coming in a big way to those provinces (esp Ontario). One of the first things to slow down is the sales of RV products. Alberta may not be the biggest but I would suspect our numbers are tracking better than average for new sled sales in the coming years.

 

[IMSICK]

He ythere buddy before you go spoutin off about dealership sales and sizes you had better get your FACTS straight.. For instance for last winter Martin farm snow checked OVER 400 sleds.. Oh yah and by the way they are also the number one BRP dealer for sales in canada.. Just a little fact that might care to know..

At what point did I ever claim anybody to be the biggest dealer size? Who cares.

sorry you got your feelings hurt..... i guess the biggest dealer represents all, even the ones selling in broke azz BC...... My bad!!!
Again..... Never mind. No point!!!

Province
Snowmobile Clubs /Kilometers of Trails /No. Registered Snowmobiles
Newfoundland
19 4,000 75,545

Prince Edward Island
3 1,100 1,642

Nova Scotia
20 3,500 7,000

New Brunswick
51 7,100 10,367

Québec
210 31,500 161,868

Ontario
250 41,570 305,000

Manitoba
48 12,000+ 25,000+

Saskatchewan
70 10,000 17,710

Alberta
39 5,000 28,173

British Columbia
75 12,000 75,000

Yukon
5 500 899

Nunavut
4 n/a 286

TOTAL
785 128,270 708,490

Does BC & AB would top sales still..... Are these good enough facts to spout off about?
Like I said..... western sales are pretty small in comparison to eastern canada.

The facts..... Volume, not dealer size!!

 

[glengine]

I dont really get the whole thing about who has more trails.. No one on here has ever disputed the fact that the eastern provinces have way more trail networks than we do over here.. But for last year edmonton AB does the the dealership that sold the most sleds out of any one single dealership.. BRP sold 37,000 sleds last year alone.. Thats a pretty good number for one manufacturer.. But the whole thing that i was getting at was the fact that sure we dont have the same type of trail riding stuff over here as they do in the east but they do sell a fair good number of sleds over here to the western provinces.. And the fact that there was such an issue over the driveshafts last year and then for them to try and exclude AB & BC from there deal was just flat out wrong..

 

[Haggis]

At what point did I ever claim anybody to be the biggest dealer size? Who cares.

sorry you got your feelings hurt..... i guess the biggest dealer represents all, even the ones selling in broke azz BC...... My bad!!!
Again..... Never mind. No point!!!

Province
Snowmobile Clubs /Kilometers of Trails /No. Registered Snowmobiles
Newfoundland
19 4,000 75,545

Prince Edward Island
3 1,100 1,642

Nova Scotia
20 3,500 7,000

New Brunswick
51 7,100 10,367

Québec
210 31,500 161,868

Ontario
250 41,570 305,000

Manitoba
48 12,000+ 25,000+

Saskatchewan
70 10,000 17,710

Alberta
39 5,000 28,173

British Columbia
75 12,000 75,000

Yukon
5 500 899

Nunavut
4 n/a 286

TOTAL
785 128,270 708,490

Does BC & AB would top sales still..... Are these good enough facts to spout off about?
Like I said..... western sales are pretty small in comparison to eastern canada.

The facts..... Volume, not dealer size!!

Good information - but what about new sled sales???? Data only shows numbers of sleds registered - a large number of these 'registered' sleds could be 10 yrs old. Anyone got any new sled sales stats?????

 

[ZRrrr]

He ythere buddy before you go spoutin off about dealership sales and sizes you had better get your FACTS straight.. For instance for last winter Martin farm snow checked OVER 400 sleds.. Oh yah and by the way they are also the number one BRP dealer for sales in canada.. Just a little fact that might care to know..

And Echo Cycle, Browns, have both held Cat dealerships of the year over and over. Canadian sled sales have out paced US sales during the low snow times.....and they charge us more for the same sled than that of our US counterparts. Screwed, screwed and screwed.....

 

[ZRrrr]

At what point did I ever claim anybody to be the biggest dealer size? Who cares.

sorry you got your feelings hurt..... i guess the biggest dealer represents all, even the ones selling in broke azz BC...... My bad!!!
Again..... Never mind. No point!!!

Province
Snowmobile Clubs /Kilometers of Trails /No. Registered Snowmobiles
Newfoundland
19 4,000 75,545

Prince Edward Island
3 1,100 1,642

Nova Scotia
20 3,500 7,000

New Brunswick
51 7,100 10,367

Québec
210 31,500 161,868

Ontario
250 41,570 305,000

Manitoba
48 12,000+ 25,000+

Saskatchewan
70 10,000 17,710

Alberta
39 5,000 28,173

British Columbia
75 12,000 75,000

Yukon
5 500 899

Nunavut
4 n/a 286

TOTAL
785 128,270 708,490

Does BC & AB would top sales still..... Are these good enough facts to spout off about?
Like I said..... western sales are pretty small in comparison to eastern canada.

The facts..... Volume, not dealer size!!

That's why my support is behind mandatory registration with the cost of a trail pass included. Then have the funds transfered to the clubs for trail developoment....like Sask. IT has worked out so well for their clubs and for the small towns that rely on sledders for winter income.