smokinD
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Pretty much, chit in 1 hand and billions in the other and still the sheep are quiet about it all
Lahaina Burns
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mclean
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If you have ever been there, all the cars leaving would have caused mass chaos but regardless, fire chasing me, FTP, ram through them
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X-it
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This is how a socialist government works.
Almost like the gov is purposely Burning down homes. Can't "build back better" without Burning it down first!
The treasonous bastard politicians need to hang.
X-it
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That did not take long to take that video down, the only thing working good in a socialist government is censorship.
What was on the video?
mclean
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I watched half but pretty much saying that the police won't let them bring in any supplies or food
Sounds like something the police would do.
Protect and serve.. The lizard overlords. Lol
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More or less, a guy with a sh!t load of equipment and pumps trying to get it through a road block, he should be lucky he never recieved the same treatment Tamara got. Stay home stay safe only cost 90,500 lives according to the globe and mail.
Yeah I happened to listen to it mostly. A local from north shuswap saying that there not using water trucks or letting locals help with pumps/trucks and hoses. Not allowing water lines over roads. Our gov is basically letting the fires burn. But don't worry, fire season is over soon and it will be deadly virus season.
Time to wake up people. Our democracy is an illusion. We need a couple hundred thousand to storm Ottawa and forcefully remove them all.
Time to wake up people. Our democracy is an illusion. We need a couple hundred thousand to storm Ottawa and forcefully remove them all.
They can't win either way. You let a bunch of locals back in and someone is going to get trapped and die. Then guess what, the families sue for the govt not doing everything in their power to prevent deaths. And then a bunch of lobby groups sit around on their pedestal claiming that no building is worth someone's life and the govt is to blame.
This doesn’t help either…
mclean
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Talking to a lady at work last week...they were planning a "controlled" burm in the Fernie/Cranbrook area again. In 30+ weather.
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And locals are also stealing and relocating pumps and hoses that are setup.
Untrained people actually are more of a hindrance than help.
Edit, looks like niner already posted the info.
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I bet those places got hit with the outt'er space lazier zapp'er gun...
If it was a forest fire how come all the trees and million dollar properties never burnt down ...
Hummmmm,,, new world order,,, at least they won't have too worry about being a 15 minute city now that its a pile of ashes...
If it was a forest fire how come all the trees and million dollar properties never burnt down ...
Hummmmm,,, new world order,,, at least they won't have too worry about being a 15 minute city now that its a pile of ashes...
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The Real Wildfire Conspiracies.
Don't be distracted by nonsense, Don't let your emotions get hijacked.
THE HOTSHOT WAKE UP
AUG 22, 2023
16
1
I am not a stranger to conspiracy. When you have a tremendous amount of time in the back of a Hotshot buggy, you read a lot of them. After a while, rabbit holes become easier to navigate and recognize. I have studied basically all of the theories in the last 20 years just simply to combat boredom. But I always found myself focusing not only on the cause of these events but on the response and reaction to that situation.
The book explains the three ways:
Start in early childhood, trauma-based teaching to children will set beliefs for a lifetime.
Through violence and trauma in an adult.
Controlling and directing the narrative and emotions of a large group after a major disaster or event that would naturally bring a community together. Control the groupthink.
Groupthink: noun; the practice of thinking or making decisions as a group in a way that discourages creativity or individual responsibility.
Groupthink is a dangerous game to play. This phenomenon is often talked about on Hotshot crews. These are some of the most tight-knit groups out there, but independent thinking is pushed, especially for safety purposes.
"Don’t assume we see the things you see. If you think it’s a hazard, speak up.”
There are constant situations where you need to adapt and overcome in the wildfire world, and this requires critical thinking. Hotshots see things others can easily miss. Highly trained situational awareness can be a strain on relationships, but very useful in the wilderness and the jungles of society.
This is true in the Smokejumper world as well. Independent thinking and bias for action are stressed in this community. Groupthink kills people and can lead to a spiraling mob mentality that is dangerous, even for bystanders.
Subscribe
My inbox has been flooded lately with all sorts of conspiratorial nonsense. Folks are sending me videos and images of helicopters using a Helitorch, telling me that it’s proof the Government is setting the Canadian wildfires to push a narrative. Using a helitorch has been an industry standard operation for decades to STOP wildfires. It’s known there was arson in Canada, but there were a 100xs more lightning strikes and negligence. But both sides of the political spectrum are active in hijacking the emotions of the victims of these disasters.
What about the staffing crisis in Canada? No talk about how the stand replacement ecosystems that are burning need wildfire to propagate?
Subscriber submitted photo of the Canadian fires.
These ridiculous social media posts about a grand conspiracy receive millions of views and greatly distort the reality of wildfire operations. They use traumatic events to hijack the emotions of the public and steer the response. There are clearly a large amount of Bot accounts elevating these posts as well. I’ve also noticed that the most popular and incorrect posts deal with how fires are started and are not focused on the response. As I explain below, knowing the cause of these fires is essential, but blatantly misinforming folks about the causes distracts from important questions.
I get it from all sides.
I’m being told Oprah set the Hawaii fires because she wants another beach house. DM’s claiming the only reason this happened is because climate change made these fires worse. Constant messages about how laser systems nuked the entire town of Lahaina, Maui. Email after Email about how Klaus Schwab and the WEF are behind the fires in Hawaii.
No, it was likely a powerline and 80mph winds… but what about the response and aftermath? Who is controlling the narrative?
The sirens weren’t sounded. (person in charge resigned.)
The water systems seem to have been disabled or shut off. (Person in charge is being asked to resign.)
Talk of not rebuilding the way it was.
Disaster relief fraud.
Don’t get me started on FEMA. (See Camp Fire victims and Calf Canyon Fire victims.)
One side blames Climate Change, another blames space lasers, while incompetence in the system is rarely talked about. Things were ALREADY set up to prevent this from happening, but the people in charge didn’t allow those systems to be used.
I was deemed a conspiracy theorist when I reported on the U.N. wildfire report a year and a half ago called The Rising Threat of Extraordinary Landscape Fires. This entire 126-page report is about changing the way we respond to wildlife on a global scale. The WEF promoted this report which allows the possibility of reducing the sovereignty of lands controlled by countries and implementing a global wildfire policy and global firefighting force.
The logistical and operational response in Canada mirrors this report’s suggestions. It’s why I’ve often called the Canadian wildfire response a Global sand-table exercise. It is well known that HALF of the Canadian cabinet are members of the WEF, including the Prime Minister.
But is it a conspiracy?
Well, it’s not a secret… and if countries sign on to it, it’s not illegal. The argument about if it’s harmful or not remains.
Useful idiots: Controlling the narrative. (The Left and Right)
I understand that not all human-caused starts are arson. This is clear. However, some are, and it’s well known that folks in the media and Government never want to let a “good crisis go to waste.” Both the Left and the Right sides of the political spectrum agree on this.
In the last few months, the mainstream has slowly grasped onto the fact that wildfire arson exists. The shitposting accounts have as well. This is something I have covered extensively and know quite a bit about. It shouldn’t come as a surprise to folks that this is a thing.
Again, without falling for the groupthink mentality, we must as ourselves, “What is the response?”
When I broke the story about the Chile fires being caused by criminal arsonists, I was met with pushback not because it was untrue; the pushback was due to me “taking away from the important narrative created in the aftermath.”
In April, I reported that the government of Spain said the fires there had been caused by coordinated efforts from “fire terrorists.” The pushback again was swift because it was meaningless to report on “cause” and I should focus on “narrative and response.”
EURONEWS
Asturias regional President Adrián Barbón said the "full weight of the law" would be applied to what he described as "fire terrorists.” He said the fires were started in an organized way by criminals taking advantage of the adverse weather conditions. He didn't explain what the alleged arsonists' motives might be.
Since then, the mainstream has started to report on the arsons in both Spain and Greece, well after the emotions of individuals were hijacked with narratives from what you would call the “Left and Right.”
When I discussed almost a year ago about the locals in Bolivia saying, “Outsiders had come into the country and started fires in the Amazon,” I received the same backlash. “You’re taking away from the change we are trying to implement.” Some of the most hardcore pushback I get is when discussing the cause of these fires.
Not too long ago, it was reported that four men, who were part of an NGO, were caught setting fires in the Amazon and then photographing the fires. They then sold these photos to the World Wildlife Fund for $70,000. The WWF used these photos to then raise money for their Foundation. Leonardo DiCaprio donated $500,000 to the WWF after seeing these photos.
I personally know good people who work for the WFF for over a decade; they know this was a really bad look for the organization.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Don't be distracted by nonsense, Don't let your emotions get hijacked.
THE HOTSHOT WAKE UP
AUG 22, 2023
16
1
I am not a stranger to conspiracy. When you have a tremendous amount of time in the back of a Hotshot buggy, you read a lot of them. After a while, rabbit holes become easier to navigate and recognize. I have studied basically all of the theories in the last 20 years just simply to combat boredom. But I always found myself focusing not only on the cause of these events but on the response and reaction to that situation.
The book explains the three ways:
Start in early childhood, trauma-based teaching to children will set beliefs for a lifetime.
Through violence and trauma in an adult.
Controlling and directing the narrative and emotions of a large group after a major disaster or event that would naturally bring a community together. Control the groupthink.
Groupthink: noun; the practice of thinking or making decisions as a group in a way that discourages creativity or individual responsibility.
Groupthink is a dangerous game to play. This phenomenon is often talked about on Hotshot crews. These are some of the most tight-knit groups out there, but independent thinking is pushed, especially for safety purposes.
"Don’t assume we see the things you see. If you think it’s a hazard, speak up.”
There are constant situations where you need to adapt and overcome in the wildfire world, and this requires critical thinking. Hotshots see things others can easily miss. Highly trained situational awareness can be a strain on relationships, but very useful in the wilderness and the jungles of society.
This is true in the Smokejumper world as well. Independent thinking and bias for action are stressed in this community. Groupthink kills people and can lead to a spiraling mob mentality that is dangerous, even for bystanders.
Subscribe
My inbox has been flooded lately with all sorts of conspiratorial nonsense. Folks are sending me videos and images of helicopters using a Helitorch, telling me that it’s proof the Government is setting the Canadian wildfires to push a narrative. Using a helitorch has been an industry standard operation for decades to STOP wildfires. It’s known there was arson in Canada, but there were a 100xs more lightning strikes and negligence. But both sides of the political spectrum are active in hijacking the emotions of the victims of these disasters.
What about the staffing crisis in Canada? No talk about how the stand replacement ecosystems that are burning need wildfire to propagate?
Subscriber submitted photo of the Canadian fires.
These ridiculous social media posts about a grand conspiracy receive millions of views and greatly distort the reality of wildfire operations. They use traumatic events to hijack the emotions of the public and steer the response. There are clearly a large amount of Bot accounts elevating these posts as well. I’ve also noticed that the most popular and incorrect posts deal with how fires are started and are not focused on the response. As I explain below, knowing the cause of these fires is essential, but blatantly misinforming folks about the causes distracts from important questions.
I get it from all sides.
I’m being told Oprah set the Hawaii fires because she wants another beach house. DM’s claiming the only reason this happened is because climate change made these fires worse. Constant messages about how laser systems nuked the entire town of Lahaina, Maui. Email after Email about how Klaus Schwab and the WEF are behind the fires in Hawaii.
No, it was likely a powerline and 80mph winds… but what about the response and aftermath? Who is controlling the narrative?
The sirens weren’t sounded. (person in charge resigned.)
The water systems seem to have been disabled or shut off. (Person in charge is being asked to resign.)
Talk of not rebuilding the way it was.
Disaster relief fraud.
Don’t get me started on FEMA. (See Camp Fire victims and Calf Canyon Fire victims.)
One side blames Climate Change, another blames space lasers, while incompetence in the system is rarely talked about. Things were ALREADY set up to prevent this from happening, but the people in charge didn’t allow those systems to be used.
I was deemed a conspiracy theorist when I reported on the U.N. wildfire report a year and a half ago called The Rising Threat of Extraordinary Landscape Fires. This entire 126-page report is about changing the way we respond to wildlife on a global scale. The WEF promoted this report which allows the possibility of reducing the sovereignty of lands controlled by countries and implementing a global wildfire policy and global firefighting force.
The logistical and operational response in Canada mirrors this report’s suggestions. It’s why I’ve often called the Canadian wildfire response a Global sand-table exercise. It is well known that HALF of the Canadian cabinet are members of the WEF, including the Prime Minister.
But is it a conspiracy?
Well, it’s not a secret… and if countries sign on to it, it’s not illegal. The argument about if it’s harmful or not remains.
Useful idiots: Controlling the narrative. (The Left and Right)
I understand that not all human-caused starts are arson. This is clear. However, some are, and it’s well known that folks in the media and Government never want to let a “good crisis go to waste.” Both the Left and the Right sides of the political spectrum agree on this.
In the last few months, the mainstream has slowly grasped onto the fact that wildfire arson exists. The shitposting accounts have as well. This is something I have covered extensively and know quite a bit about. It shouldn’t come as a surprise to folks that this is a thing.
Again, without falling for the groupthink mentality, we must as ourselves, “What is the response?”
When I broke the story about the Chile fires being caused by criminal arsonists, I was met with pushback not because it was untrue; the pushback was due to me “taking away from the important narrative created in the aftermath.”
In April, I reported that the government of Spain said the fires there had been caused by coordinated efforts from “fire terrorists.” The pushback again was swift because it was meaningless to report on “cause” and I should focus on “narrative and response.”
EURONEWS
Asturias regional President Adrián Barbón said the "full weight of the law" would be applied to what he described as "fire terrorists.” He said the fires were started in an organized way by criminals taking advantage of the adverse weather conditions. He didn't explain what the alleged arsonists' motives might be.
Since then, the mainstream has started to report on the arsons in both Spain and Greece, well after the emotions of individuals were hijacked with narratives from what you would call the “Left and Right.”
When I discussed almost a year ago about the locals in Bolivia saying, “Outsiders had come into the country and started fires in the Amazon,” I received the same backlash. “You’re taking away from the change we are trying to implement.” Some of the most hardcore pushback I get is when discussing the cause of these fires.
Not too long ago, it was reported that four men, who were part of an NGO, were caught setting fires in the Amazon and then photographing the fires. They then sold these photos to the World Wildlife Fund for $70,000. The WWF used these photos to then raise money for their Foundation. Leonardo DiCaprio donated $500,000 to the WWF after seeing these photos.
I personally know good people who work for the WFF for over a decade; they know this was a really bad look for the organization.
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Caper11
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From author Tony Heller of Real Climate Science on this case:
After two months of investigation, police discovered the involvement of NGOs in the fire, including the Alter do Chão Brigade. Interior Civil Police Chief Jose Humberto Melo Jr said police had intercepted suspects by telephone and monitored telephone conversations:
“We started to track the movement of the four suspects. We realized that their legal entity got a contract with WWF, sold 40 images to WWF for exclusive use for $ 70,000, and WWF got donations from actor Leonardo DiCaprio worth $500,000 to assist NGOs in combat burning in the Amazon.”
Was this a conspiracy?
Well, it was done in secret by a group of people; it was illegal and harmful. Yes, this was a wildfire conspiracy.
Share
I understand that the climate changes and is changing. I have spoken at length about it, but wildfires are often used to push this narrative in a disingenuous way.
I am also aware that laser-based weapons systems exist. Even on the Island of Maui, an Air Force Research Facility, The Maui Space Surveillance Complex, researches laser systems. In a 2013 appropriations Bill, millions of dollars went to this type of research and development:
“The AFRL used the $7 million of the authority to transition ten technologies into operational use, including expendable thermal energy storage materials for high power directed energy weapon systems.
Facilities that received funding included an advanced high-power microwave research facility, the Maui Space Surveillance Complex, and Fuze Industrial Research Facility, and the Combustion Instability Laboratory.”
This is likely where many of the “space laser” claims came from, but it’s clear this was not the cause of the fires there. However, people are using this to hijack the public’s emotions and control the response to this disaster in a disingenuous way.
When it comes to wildfire, it’s essential to understand that it’s a natural process on our Planet. It’s also important to realize that people from both sides of the political spectrum use it to control the response to these events, hijacking the emotional systems of the public, whether natural or human-caused.
Wildfire conspiracies exist, facts, but not on the scale we are meant to believe. Mass incompetence in the system also exists and happens even more than conspiracies. Maybe the conspiracies are pushed so hard to distract from the massive incompetence?
Just look at the wildland firefighter pay debacle. Years of botched policy and legislation that all comes to a head on Sept. 30th when firefighters will take a $20K pay cut unless something is passed. Conspiracy or incompetence?
It’s crucial to dissect the cause of these fires and focus on what the response is. There are people out there trying to hijack your emotions in the aftermath of these disasters to push their narrative on both sides of the aisle.
Be an independent thinker, learn about wildfire, and understand that you are vulnerable to groupthink in the days following such tragedies.
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After two months of investigation, police discovered the involvement of NGOs in the fire, including the Alter do Chão Brigade. Interior Civil Police Chief Jose Humberto Melo Jr said police had intercepted suspects by telephone and monitored telephone conversations:
“We started to track the movement of the four suspects. We realized that their legal entity got a contract with WWF, sold 40 images to WWF for exclusive use for $ 70,000, and WWF got donations from actor Leonardo DiCaprio worth $500,000 to assist NGOs in combat burning in the Amazon.”
Was this a conspiracy?
Well, it was done in secret by a group of people; it was illegal and harmful. Yes, this was a wildfire conspiracy.
Share
I understand that the climate changes and is changing. I have spoken at length about it, but wildfires are often used to push this narrative in a disingenuous way.
I am also aware that laser-based weapons systems exist. Even on the Island of Maui, an Air Force Research Facility, The Maui Space Surveillance Complex, researches laser systems. In a 2013 appropriations Bill, millions of dollars went to this type of research and development:
“The AFRL used the $7 million of the authority to transition ten technologies into operational use, including expendable thermal energy storage materials for high power directed energy weapon systems.
Facilities that received funding included an advanced high-power microwave research facility, the Maui Space Surveillance Complex, and Fuze Industrial Research Facility, and the Combustion Instability Laboratory.”
This is likely where many of the “space laser” claims came from, but it’s clear this was not the cause of the fires there. However, people are using this to hijack the public’s emotions and control the response to this disaster in a disingenuous way.
When it comes to wildfire, it’s essential to understand that it’s a natural process on our Planet. It’s also important to realize that people from both sides of the political spectrum use it to control the response to these events, hijacking the emotional systems of the public, whether natural or human-caused.
Wildfire conspiracies exist, facts, but not on the scale we are meant to believe. Mass incompetence in the system also exists and happens even more than conspiracies. Maybe the conspiracies are pushed so hard to distract from the massive incompetence?
Just look at the wildland firefighter pay debacle. Years of botched policy and legislation that all comes to a head on Sept. 30th when firefighters will take a $20K pay cut unless something is passed. Conspiracy or incompetence?
It’s crucial to dissect the cause of these fires and focus on what the response is. There are people out there trying to hijack your emotions in the aftermath of these disasters to push their narrative on both sides of the aisle.
Be an independent thinker, learn about wildfire, and understand that you are vulnerable to groupthink in the days following such tragedies.
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