Is man made climate change real?

[jhurkot]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the biggest proponents of "climate change" or "climate crisis" also have the biggest carbon footprint of anybody? That in itself should be a hint they don't believe it themselves. This is bogus science purely for the purpose of manipulation of the masses to make money.

Who exactly stands to profit in this conspiracy? How does the green energy industry compare to the revenue of the top 10 oil companies that combined for 2.839 trillion dollars in 2017?

 

[lilduke]

I would say the range we have been in for past 400,000 years would be a good place to be.

what # is that? what ppm range do we want to be in?

 

[Lunch_Box]

Who exactly stands to profit in this conspiracy? How does the green energy industry compare to the revenue of the top 10 oil companies that combined for 2.839 trillion dollars in 2017?

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All the big oil companies love wind and solar power, they know how unreliable it is, so there still needs to be a gas or coal power plant near by ready to ramp up production when needed. So instead of nice even power production coming out of the plant it has spikes and lows as demand is needed based on what solar or wind cant provide. So I would guess end up using more gas or coal in the long run.

 

[team dirt]

We have been pretty dry the last 4 years. But the 10 years prior to that were quite wet. Last year we had a day that was 43 degrees.
So you think clouds are the reason for temperature anomalies rather than co2 ppm?

And this year we’re struggling to hit 30 so what’s your point. That’s weather patterns. If it wasn’t for irrigation most of southern Alberta would be an inhabitable wasteland.

 

[Mike270412]

Bill Nye,David Suzuki,and Al Gore to name a few.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the biggest proponents of "climate change" or "climate crisis" also have the biggest carbon footprint of anybody? That in itself should be a hint they don't believe it themselves. This is bogus science purely for the purpose of manipulation of the masses to make money.

 

[Caper11]

And this year we’re struggling to hit 30 so what’s your point. That’s weather patterns. If it wasn’t for irrigation most of southern Alberta would be an inhabitable wasteland.

Exactly, When I called the okanagan to book a RV site last month the person in the phone said is abnormally cold for that time of year.

 

[lilduke]

pretty much everyone I know in Alberta and on this site has made a living off the oil industry. maybe that is why we are quick to defend it?

so Google tells me 200ppm was the ice age and that's too cold for me and 280 is the sweet spot. so I'll go with that.

if all of Canada switched to solar what kind of a difference would that make to planetary levels?

how do you convince China and India and the USA to go green? if we could maintain 280ppm with carbon capture instead on solar and wind would that satisfy climate change alarmists?

might be easier for Canada and Europe to just vacuum the carbon out of the atmosphere then to get the whole planet on board with solar?

 

[whoDEANie]

SIX THINGS EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE:
1. The earth's atmosphere is warming very slowly. Click here.
2. The Sun causes climate change. Click here.
3. Al Gore was wrong about CO2. Click here.
4. Violent weather isn’t getting worse. Click here.
5. It’s been hotter. Click here.
6. Climate computer models are proven wrong. Click here.

 

[Teth-Air]

We have been pretty dry the last 4 years. But the 10 years prior to that were quite wet. Last year we had a day that was 43 degrees.
So you think clouds are the reason for temperature anomalies rather than co2 ppm?

This is where we differ. I don't see temperature "anomalies" yet. I believe we are in a cycle and since 2016 the cycle is heading cooler. Yes still above the average but definitely heading down since then. There may be hotter years than 2016 too but over-all it gets hot, then it gets cool, all back and forth due to solar activity. Do we influence the weather at all, of course we do but in both ways. We put natural forest fires out and we burn fuel to heat our homes. Both speed up the natural direction that the earth is headed as far as climate goes.

 

[Caper11]

Exactly. The atmosphere on earth is what it allows it to have life.

Who exactly stands to profit in this conspiracy? How does the green energy industry compare to the revenue of the top 10 oil companies that combined for 2.839 trillion dollars in 2017?

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Yes, so why compare our planet to one that has never had the ability to sustain life???


I would fathom a guess, the ones who stand to make the most profit are the ones who pound on our oilsands industry. How many of those countries imposed a carbon tax on its citizens?

 

[Caper11]

pretty much everyone I know in Alberta and on this site has made a living off the oil industry. maybe that is why we are quick to defend it?

so Google tells me 200ppm was the ice age and that's too cold for me and 280 is the sweet spot. so I'll go with that.

if all of Canada switched to solar what kind of a difference would that make to planetary levels?

how do you convince China and India and the USA to go green? if we could maintain 280ppm with carbon capture instead on solar and wind would that satisfy climate change alarmists?

might be easier for Canada and Europe to just vacuum the carbon out of the atmosphere then to get the whole planet on board with solar?

I think for the most part, some forgot what the oil and gas industry have brought them, even if they have never worked in the industry directly.



So if the CO2 theory was true and it let heat in and not out than going to solar would be a huge mistake! Have any of you felt the heat reflected off a solar panel when you clean it??? Very uncomfortable temperature to be close to.

 

[whoDEANie]

Looks like we're right on schedule to me....

 

[lilduke]

Yes, so why compare our planet to one that has never had the ability to sustain life???


I would fathom a guess, the ones who stand to make the most profit are the ones who pound on our oilsands industry. How many of those countries imposed a carbon tax on its citizens?

yes. Canadian oIL sector has the best standards in the world when it comes to the environment

 

[Teth-Air]

SIX THINGS EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE:
1. The earth's atmosphere is warming very slowly. Click here.
2. The Sun causes climate change. Click here.
3. Al Gore was wrong about CO2. Click here.
4. Violent weather isn’t getting worse. Click here.
5. It’s been hotter. Click here.
6. Climate computer models are proven wrong. Click here.

Regarding point #1 what I would really like to know is if the humidity in the atmosphere has been increasing over the past 200 years? If the atmosphere has heated up slightly it would be assumed that the evaporation rate would also be up too. This would make more potential for the atmosphere to hold more heat and secondly make more clouds. Both have opposite effects in changing the earth's temperature. Here is the UK rain records. As you can see every 5-10 years there is a dry and likely hot year (under 1000mm) if these become more frequent than the the over 1000mm years then we will be in trouble.

Year	Rainfall (mm)
Source: Met Office
1910	1148.9
1911	1022.4
1912	1242
1913	1027.4
1914	1118.6
1915	1075.6
1916	1202.6
1917	1042.4
1918	1136.9
1919	1034.5
1920	1139.8
1921	905.4
1922	1050.8
1923	1220
1924	1177.7
1925	1062.2
1926	1094.5
1927	1217.2
1928	1258.5
1929	1063.7
1930	1180.4
1931	1114.9
1932	1105.1
1933	835.4
1934	1056.1
1935	1143.3
1936	1063.4
1937	1014.7
1938	1183.9
1939	1097.7
1940	1047.5
1941	944.8
1942	1026.9
1943	1071.9
1944	1084.5
1945	1008.1
1946	1152.2
1947	988.5
1948	1207.9
1949	1053.1
1950	1202.4
1951	1198.3
1952	1009.6
1953	952.9
1954	1309.1
1955	899.8
1956	1047.7
1957	1101.3
1958	1135.9
1959	993.2
1960	1198.8
1961	1054.3
1962	1004.6
1963	975.6
1964	895.5
1965	1111.5
1966	1159.8
1967	1174.5
1968	1045.6
1969	980
1970	1095
1971	912.9
1972	961.2
1973	905.2
1974	1153.1
1975	899.4
1976	951.5
1977	1079
1978	1039.7
1979	1144.8
1980	1129
1981	1156.4
1982	1170.3
1983	1061.8
1984	1066
1985	1074.3
1986	1185
1987	1036.3
1988	1133
1989	1020.7
1990	1175
1991	999.7
1992	1188.8
1993	1122.5
1994	1186.6
1995	1025.2
1996	918
1997	1025.6
1998	1267.1
1999	1239.1
2000	1337.3
2001	1052.8
2002	1283.7
2003	904.2
2004	1213.6
2005	1086.2
2006	1179.2
2007	1200.3
2008	1295
2009	1213.3
2010	950.5

 

[retiredpop]

Who exactly stands to profit in this conspiracy? How does the green energy industry compare to the revenue of the top 10 oil companies that combined for 2.839 trillion dollars in 2017?

For one it is a huge amount of free tax money for all governments and they haven't begun to charge what they want. They don't even have to justify the lack of any results. At least with oil companies who make profits you are buying a product that you require in our modern world.

 

[d mills]

what # is that? what ppm range do we want to be in?

https://fifthseasongardening.com/regulating-carbon-dioxide

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm

 

[retiredpop]

^^^Something most of us agree with.

 

[jhurkot]

You're far better off reading the actual paper (its only 6 pages) than the food blog summary.

 

[whoDEANie]

 

[Teth-Air]

Like I said, the clouds will save us. Johnny what is your opinion on increasing cloudiness due to increased evaporation from increased global temperature and do you agree that the clouds will cause a cooling effect? Or do you believe the clouds moisture will absorb heat and insulate us causing higher temps?