I'll admit it - really all the 2013's are wicked

[Got boost want snow]

Why anyone would accept the fact that you have to rebuild your engine every 2500-4000km is beyond me. As for a 800 2 stroke I really don't think yamaha will ever build a 2 stroke again. Even in the bike world the 250 2 stroke is soon to be extinct. Ride what you like all 4 build extremely good sleds, to meet everyones wants. JMO

 

[CUSO]

same goes to say when you take a stock yamaha in the mountains... whats the point?
I would rather re-do my top end every 2-3 years on my 2 smoke, and enjoy the nimbleness of one, than a stock 4 thumper stocker...and be scared to open the hood., and not have as much fun... stock wise.
as for the 180 turbo kit, no, they kill the 2 strokes for power, my friend tagatree has one. it's a blast, for about a half hour, then he can have it back.
it just makes you a gun shy rider in the trees, especially if there are vulnerable tree wells. is no fun in our group.
if i was 15 years younger and in better shape, i might consider a t4s, but stock... come on, its not a true fun ride stock... in the mountains.

jussayin'

Why anyone would accept the fact that you have to rebuild your engine every 2500-4000km is beyond me. As for a 800 2 stroke I really don't think yamaha will ever build a 2 stroke again. Even in the bike world the 250 2 stroke is soon to be extinct. Ride what you like all 4 build extremely good sleds, to meet everyones wants. JMO

 

[kyle019]

I've owned both 2 stroke and 4 stroke machines (dirtbikes) and honestly I gotta say I like the simplicity of a 2 stroke. Less maintainance believe it or not! All I did with my 2 stroke was change the tranny oil every month, clean the air filter and mix gas. With my 4 stroke there was more moving parts, more stuff to break. Had to change oil just like on my 2 smoker, but had to change an oil filter too. Had to also clean and re-adjust exhaust valves lots too. Rebuilt my 2 strokes every 2 years just cuz. It's cheap to rebuild and maintain a 2 stroke for sure. When time came to rebuild my 4 stroke, I almost lost it when I got the bill! Sure it lasted a year and a bit longer than my 2 stroke did, but id sooner have simplicity and lightweight over reliability and extra cost to maintain, and extra weight..

 

[DaveB]

I've owned both 2 stroke and 4 stroke machines (dirtbikes) and honestly I gotta say I like the simplicity of a 2 stroke. Less maintainance believe it or not! All I did with my 2 stroke was change the tranny oil every month, clean the air filter and mix gas. With my 4 stroke there was more moving parts, more stuff to break. Had to change oil just like on my 2 smoker, but had to change an oil filter too. Had to also clean and re-adjust exhaust valves lots too. Rebuilt my 2 strokes every 2 years just cuz. It's cheap to rebuild and maintain a 2 stroke for sure. When time came to rebuild my 4 stroke, I almost lost it when I got the bill! Sure it lasted a year and a bit longer than my 2 stroke did, but id sooner have simplicity and lightweight over reliability and extra cost to maintain, and extra weight..

Difference between maintenance on a 4 stroke dirtbike vs a 4 stroke sled is night and day.

 

[GranTurismo]

But the turbo Yamaha would last longer than three doos so if you could put 4k into your doo to make it last 10000k without a rebuild would you?

As for the cat well if you can't make a cat mountain sled keep up with a doo or a poo your just not much of a rider imo

You buy a nytro for 12k you need to invest 4k for a turbo right out of the gate to even mildy compete with an 800 smoker(you'd still be disappointed the bush) or you buy a Doo/poo for 12 k and have to rebuild it every three years (doubtful). So by simple math that 4 grand you saved on a turbo buys you 4 engine rebuilds..so in 12 years the nytro will start saving you money..does anyone plan on having a '13 sled in 2024? Don't think so.. And even with a turbo nytro you still have a lesser sled that is still way to heavy. On any note have fun and ride fellas