H1 N1 Vaccinations

[H2SNOW]

The Jane Burgermeister website - investigating the swine flu*pandemic


for us we are pounding Vitamin D, Coloidial Silver, Omega 3, codliver oil..and drinking my Monavie !

 

[Alberta Boy]

OK guys and gals whose taking the vaccination, Why and Why not? I personally think its a money grab for the manufacture of the drug. Any thoughts on this?

OK... I work in the pharmaceutical industry and can speak from an educated standpoint... as a matter of fact, I will let you know what one of the top Infectous Disease Specialists in Canada has to say about it... I will leave out his name and credentials for privacy reasons...

"I think the vacccine is safe, I can't give you 100% but as you know in medicine, nothing is 100%.
I would immunize the kids first, especially the one under 5 as they are at a much higher risk of complication.They will need 2 doses.
You don't need the seasonal influenza vaccine for now, the pandemic one is the priority.
My kids ( 2 of them already had the infection last spring like 90% of their school ) so no vaccine, the 3rd one will get it, she won't be happy as her sisters are off the hook !"

My kids, my wife and I are all going to get it... to protect ourselves and to prevent the spread to others!

 

[Alberta Boy]

And 1 other thing on the profit from these medications... Approximately 1 in 10 drugs make it to market with an average R&D cost of $250 million oer product even if it doesn't get to market. So to do the math, it takes $2.5 BILLION to get 1 drug to market so you better believe they will want to make profit on their products.

The other thing to think about in the pharmaceutical profits is how much gets put back into R&D to irradicate horrible diseases like Cancer, Alzheimer's Disease, Diabetes and HIV/Aids????? Where do you think the money comes from to find cures for things like this? It sure isn't coming from the government!!!

PS I am in the same boat as you albroker! Never had a shot before but will be lining up for this one!

 

[munhoez]

Im just waitin too see what the long term effects are, maybe sum crazy abnormalities as an arm growing from the injection sight, pig nose, i smell like bacon when i sweat, genetalia curling(like a pigs tail), all sorts of stuff.

 

[ZRrrr]

And 1 other thing on the profit from these medications... Approximately 1 in 10 drugs make it to market with an average R&D cost of $250 million oer product even if it doesn't get to market. So to do the math, it takes $2.5 BILLION to get 1 drug to market so you better believe they will want to make profit on their products.

The other thing to think about in the pharmaceutical profits is how much gets put back into R&D to irradicate horrible diseases like Cancer, Alzheimer's Disease, Diabetes and HIV/Aids????? Where do you think the money comes from to find cures for things like this? It sure isn't coming from the government!!!

PS I am in the same boat as you albroker! Never had a shot before but will be lining up for this one!

Been part of the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industry for 20 years. "Irradicate" and "cures" are the wrong choice of words. "Treatments" is the term I think you were reffering to.

My sister is a vaccine specialist for a large pharma company. She has a differing opinion than I. Our dinner conversations can get quite heated.

Local doctors are now starting to say that "most" people don't need treatment and will be OK. Those with persistent fever, severe muscle pain, poor colour and severe shortness of breath should seek attention.

From what I am reading it seems anyone with a respiratory issue or having the onset of a severe respiratory problem due to the flu should seek attention. Seems that once the respiratory issue is full blown, any sort of strain on the system can cause a rapid decline. This is suspected in the case of the 13 year old out East. He was pushed too far.

 

[Alberta Boy]

Been part of the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industry for 20 years. "Irradicate" and "cures" are the wrong choice of words. "Treatments" is the term I think you were reffering to.

My sister is a vaccine specialist for a large pharma company. She has a differing opinion than I. Our dinner conversations can get quite heated.

Local doctors are now starting to say that "most" people don't need treatment and will be OK. Those with persistent fever, severe muscle pain, poor colour and severe shortness of breath should seek attention.

From what I am reading it seems anyone with a respiratory issue or having the onset of a severe respiratory problem due to the flu should seek attention. Seems that once the respiratory issue is full blown, any sort of strain on the system can cause a rapid decline. This is suspected in the case of the 13 year old out East. He was pushed too far.

Nope... I meant eradicate and cure... that is what we are shooting for and that is what people are interested in... treatments are what we provide when we don't have a cure... one day, there will be a cure for cancer and when it comes to infectious disease eradication is what we are trying to achieve... ie from Wikipedia:
Seven attempts have been made to date to eradicate infectious diseases in humans globally - four aborted programs targeting hookworm, malaria, yaws, and yellow fever, one successful program targeting smallpox and two ongoing programs targeting poliomyelitis and dracunculiasis. Five more infectious diseases have been identified as of April 2008 as potentially eradicable with current technology by the Carter Center International Task Force for Disease Eradication - measles, mumps, rubella, lymphatic filariasis and pork tapeworm.[2] Meanwhile, there has been one major attempt to eradicate a disease in animals, namely rinderpest, which is still ongoing.

 

[rubirose]

Well my son and I got our shot on Thursday evening and from the time we got in line to walking out was 1 hour. Both of us are very healthy, take garlic pills everyday( I swear by them) and eat healthy BUT I was not willing to take the chance on this H1N1. Other flu's I don't worry about. Arm was sore for the first 24 hours but is fine now, and so far no side affects.

 

[psycoticmudder]

I went to a dinner party last night, where I and other guests enjoyed copious amounts of alcohol.

I awoke this morning not feeling well, with what could be described as flu-like symptoms; headache, nausea, chills, sore eyes, etc.

>From the results of some initial testing, I have unfortunately tested positive for what experts are now calling Wine Flu.

This debilitating condition is very serious - and it appears this is not an isolated case.

Reports are flooding in from all around the country of others diagnosed with Wine Flu. To anyone that starts to exhibit the aforementioned tell-tale signs, experts are recommending a cup of tea and a bit of a lie down.

However, should your condition worsen, you should immediately rent a DVD and take some Advil (Advil seems to be the only drug available that has been proven to help combat this unusual type of flu). Others are reporting a McDonald's Happy Meal can also help in some cases. If not, then further application of the original liquid, in similar quantities to the original dose, has been shown to do the trick.

Wine Flu does not need to be life threatening and, if treated early, can be eradicated within a 24-48 hour period.

Cheers!

 

[kennyblatz]

i just got the shot, im sure i have done worse to my body some friday and saturday nights, i don't think this shot will have any effevts jmo

 

[nursepwdr]

i just got the shot, im sure i have done worse to my body some friday and saturday nights, i don't think this shot will have any effevts jmo

I have to say after working in the ER the last two weeks has changed my mind about H1N1.....I got both vacs and took my husband and children the next day for the same .........Australia has been using this vaccine for years and after speaking with several doctors I work with, whom I consider to know what they are doing , one specifically is a respiratory specialist ....he brought his entire family in to get the shots ........We are seeing young healthy people who are not sick and have no risk factors , admitted to ICU on ventilators......I have seen more truly sick children in the last two weeks than I have seen ever in my career , these children are healthy one minute and in ICU the next, these doctors have years or experience under their belt and if there were concerns re:side effects why would they be bringing in their entire families for vaccinations ........I believe this flu has everyone on edge .......our only defense is to try and arm ourselves with the vaccine ......
In one afternoon , I triaged over 50 people with flu symptoms , granted most of these people were mild cases and should have not come, but that gives you a idea of how fast this is spreading through the population ......In my opinion we have nothing to lose by getting the vaccine as the alternative could mean ventilator in ICU or death ...!!

 

[Mike270412]

I don't believe they have not put enough research into making sure it will be focusing on the right virus's ........They created it very fast because of pressure to get it out prior to flu season .......concoction is just what it is .....If your healthy and you are exposed, same treatment as flu , treat symptoms , isolate yourself for several days until you are symptom free , lots of fluids , tylenol and advil as needed , rest , stay out of public places , namely emergency rooms........Unless you have respiratory symptoms with rapid deterioration in a short time frame....If you do, wear a mask and exercise good hand washing and see doctor as needed....I myself will not be lining up for H1N1 ......Flu shot , I get every year and believe it helps in lessening symptoms if you do get it ........Just my two cents ....take care all ...be healthy !!

I have to say after working in the ER the last two weeks has changed my mind about H1N1.....I got both vacs and took my husband and children the next day for the same .........Australia has been using this vaccine for years and after speaking with several doctors I work with, whom I consider to know what they are doing , one specifically is a respiratory specialist ....he brought his entire family in to get the shots ........We are seeing young healthy people who are not sick and have no risk factors , admitted to ICU on ventilators......I have seen more truly sick children in the last two weeks than I have seen ever in my career , these children are healthy one minute and in ICU the next, these doctors have years or experience under their belt and if there were concerns re:side effects why would they be bringing in their entire families for vaccinations ........I believe this flu has everyone on edge .......our only defense is to try and arm ourselves with the vaccine ......
In one afternoon , I triaged over 50 people with flu symptoms , granted most of these people were mild cases and should have not come, but that gives you a idea of how fast this is spreading through the population ......In my opinion we have nothing to lose by getting the vaccine as the alternative could mean ventilator in ICU or death ...!!

A health professional that changed their mind,anybody else having second thoughts?

 

[Aud]

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine?s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
.....just sayin'

 

[H2SNOW]

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine?s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
.....just sayin'

my argument from the start .....

 

[Bogger]

I was not going to get myself or my children vaccinated because I also felt it was fast tracked and there had not been enough study.
My brother had informed me that my mother was also choosing not to get it.
(mothers advise is always considered, she is a retired Nurse who specialized in Open heart surgery and would take shifts in the ER for chits and giggles, said there was no better entertainment then the result of human stupidity)
My mom called Thursday and said to get the shot, she still keeps contact with surgeons from her team and is insisting the wife, myself and our children get vaccinated.
Normal flu kills the elderly and very young....this one seems to target the "healthy" and "strong"
You can find facts or stats on the interweb to proove or disproove anything, I'll take the advice of Dr's we know over a propoganda website.

But thats just me

 

[H2SNOW]

I was not going to get myself or my children vaccinated because I also felt it was fast tracked and there had not been enough study.
My brother had informed me that my mother was also choosing not to get it.
(mothers advise is always considered, she is a retired Nurse who specialized in Open heart surgery and would take shifts in the ER for chits and giggles, said there was no better entertainment then the result of human stupidity)
My mom called Thursday and said to get the shot, she still keeps contact with surgeons from her team and is insisting the wife, myself and our children get vaccinated.
Normal flu kills the elderly and very young....this one seems to target the "healthy" and "strong"
You can find facts or stats on the interweb to proove or disproove anything, I'll take the advice of Dr's we know over a propoganda website.

But thats just me

soo did you get it ???

we are waiting until at least mid late december just to see what happens

 

[SLEDBUNNYRACING]

My Daughter has been off work in Red Deer for a number of day with the flu. Her Doctor told here only to come into the hospital if she experienced breathing problems as they are trying to address only the "real sick" at this time.

 

[CR500R]

You can find facts or stats on the interweb to proove or disproove anything, I'll take the advice of Dr's we know over a propoganda website.

But thats just me

I agree with the facts and stats thing as well, I think this whole H1N1 thing is being blown out of porportion myself, people are overreacting etc. I know someone will say you can't ignore the deaths being attributed to it, your right, but at the same time 10's of thousands of people die each year from the seasonal flu and it's complications and yet no one screams pandemic about that. I too know many people in the medical profession, both friends and family, some say get the vaccine others say not. It's typical that for every 1 that is for something, there will be 1 against. It usually ends up that those that make the most noise get heard more, and with the media it's always bad news that makes good news. I'm not overly concerned about the whole issue, I'm not rushing to get vaccinated, as the one and only time I got the flu shot I was sick the entire season with one thing or another and wish I would have died, it wasn't pleasant. I've heard some people say it's irresponsible not to get the shot, well I personally think I'm better off without it, from the past experience.

In the end it's a personal choice and people just need to respect each others decisions and practice better personal hygiene.

 

[Puba]

Here's what burns my azz about this whole thing..... The way it's been handled.. High risk is just that let the elderly and kids that are truly high risk get in a get the shot then open it up from there.

My doctors have been encouraging me to get the shot as they say I am high risk since my surgery in March and with no spleen my immune system isn't what it used to be, I have gone on 4 occasions to get the shot, seeing the line makes one cringe, what made me leave all 4 times are the number of sick people in those lines hacking / coughing / runny nose's. Makes you wonder if your even safe standing around with a couple hundred people for 3 - 4 hours being exposed to people that shouldn't even be there?

WTF? If your sick with the flu stay home your taking the chance of spreading your sickness to everyone in line that isn't sick.

 

[snochuk]

I have never taken the family for flue shots due to the reaction that can occur for some, friends son is permanently disabled from a reaction. It was a tough choice and our children do not have alergies nor have they ever had a reaction to any perscription drugs. This flue can have much more devastating affects than any other flue as our bodies have no defence until we contract it once. Do you want to live with yourself when your child has to deal with the affects of this mutated virus or do you expose them to the possibility of a disabiling reaction to a vacine. There is no easy choice for any parent. You can protect your child at home but not when they are in school exposed to every one else. Waited almost eight hours in line and it is truely sad to see people blaitantly cutting in line to the point that the city police had the SWAT team removing people from North Town mall while we were there. People screaming and hanging on to the railing while the police dealt with them.
This was the most caotic scene I ever witnessed and if this turns out to be serious and there is a shortage of vacine it will get crazier!! Medical administers and the police can not allow this to continue! The administration of the vacine is a surprise to no one....total unaaceptable caos. My cousin has been quaritened with H1N1 so we got our shots, now we sit on pins and needles for the next two weeks hoping we made the right choice for our chidren.
To each his own and may every be well

 

[Alberta Boy]

Here's what burns my azz about this whole thing..... The way it's been handled.. High risk is just that let the elderly and kids that are truly high risk get in a get the shot then open it up from there.

My doctors have been encouraging me to get the shot as they say I am high risk since my surgery in March and with no spleen my immune system isn't what it used to be, I have gone on 4 occasions to get the shot, seeing the line makes one cringe, what made me leave all 4 times are the number of sick people in those lines hacking / coughing / runny nose's. Makes you wonder if your even safe standing around with a couple hundred people for 3 - 4 hours being exposed to people that shouldn't even be there?

WTF? If your sick with the flu stay home your taking the chance of spreading your sickness to everyone in line that isn't sick.

First off, if people are sick they should not receive the shot anyways!!! The only people that should be getting the shot right now are the high risk as you mentioned... if you are high risk and are sick right now, they should turn you away until you are healthy. The last thing they want to do is compound your current illness!