H1 N1 Vaccinations

[Philster]

How about the Howie Shake.


Or is that too much skin contact???

 

[scrapmaster]

well i didnt get the shot but i got the pig flu, really wasnt that bad, like a normal flu only more pain and coughing up of stuff involved, never had a flu shot in my life an i find im always less sick then those that do?

 

[ZRrrr]

Saw a report that said the more we get flu shots the more we will end up relying on them and the more potent the flus that will start to develop. It's the old "overuse of antibiotics" thing all over again.

We had the flu through our house and it wasn't any worse than other flus of past, and according to the news tonight if you have flu now, or had it recently, it's H1N1. We had NO vaccines here. If this is the case and many people I know are already sick, then the vaccine has come about a 2 weeks late!

Just saying....

 

[ttpowersports]

well i all about the drugs, advil, actified, extra tough tylenol, but i think ill just have a couple shots of gibbies if i get sick, cant hurt.... and its almost free.... js

T

 

[Cyle]

Saw a report that said the more we get flu shots the more we will end up relying on them and the more potent the flus that will start to develop. It's the old "overuse of antibiotics" thing all over again.

We had the flu through our house and it wasn't any worse than other flus of past, and according to the news tonight if you have flu now, or had it recently, it's H1N1. We had NO vaccines here. If this is the case and many people I know are already sick, then the vaccine has come about a 2 weeks late!

Just saying....

Yep once in a while you get sick it happens. 99% of the time if i'm sick I don't even take advil or anything, hate taking anything.

 

[Billy Boy]

No I will not be getting the flue shot. The wife had the flue in the summer and we are pretty sure that is was H1N1. It was the usual symtons, achey bones, hot one minute cold the next (just a normal day in our house) head ache, stuffy nose and cough. So in her case it was just anoither run of the mill cold/flue. Now mind you we are both in good shape and have no other physical conditions that would make the flue more serious. One thing though I am getting sick and tired of all the media hype around this issue. If the media cannot find a good disaster then they will try and create one!!! Gotta love the media industry!!!! And it is an industry that has to make money!!!!! Hmmmm.

Billy Boy

 

[CR500R]

I'm not falling for the hype either. Had the flu shot once, wasn't by choice, and that was the worst season of my life. I wanted to just die because I was so sick all winter, extremely unpleasant. I too believe in the live healthy attitude, eat right, exercise, and rest. If you listen to your body you will be fine.

Just a couple facts I dug up from the US.

In 2001;

42,000 people were killed in car crashes

20,000 people died of flu related causes

15,000 people were murdered

Of the 20,000 who died of flu related causes, approximately 1000 were directly related to the flu, the other 19,000 had other issues complicated by the flu.
This tells me we are still more likely to die in our vehicle or be murdered than to die of the flu. Clearly, this H1N1 pandemic is people profitting in a time of economic downturn by preying on others fears. As I watch the news I see healthcare works refusing to get the vaccination, this has to speak volumes, if those who have to give the vaccination, don't want to recieve it themselves.

 

[ZRrrr]

No I will not be getting the flue shot. The wife had the flue in the summer and we are pretty sure that is was H1N1. It was the usual symtons, achey bones, hot one minute cold the next (just a normal day in our house) head ache, stuffy nose and cough. So in her case it was just anoither run of the mill cold/flue. Now mind you we are both in good shape and have no other physical conditions that would make the flue more serious. One thing though I am getting sick and tired of all the media hype around this issue. If the media cannot find a good disaster then they will try and create one!!! Gotta love the media industry!!!! And it is an industry that has to make money!!!!! Hmmmm.

Billy Boy

US media story tonight and I quote "How the H1N1 virus could shut down the interent".......paaalease!!!! Ridiculous!

 

[britt]

Two weeks ago the Calgary Herald had a series of articles on the epidemic of diabetes in Canada (very serious with the native population) and it quoted there would be close to 30,000 fatalities related to health complications related to diabetes! Have we seen the media on that bandwagon? Nope, I guess it wont sell as much advertising space!!!!

Britt

 

[ESOX]

US media story tonight and I quote "How the H1N1 virus could shut down the interent".......paaalease!!!! Ridiculous!

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad to shut down the internet for a while...maybe get people outside for some fresh air

 

[win]

I would miss S&M, would have start a AA program for my addiction, HI MY NAME IS WIN AND IM A SLEDAHOLIC.

 

[Snowdin]

This is a cut and paste from an email I got yesterday.


This was forwarded to me…so I’m passing it along to you…
Subject: DR. RUSSELL BLAYLOCK ON SWINE FLU

This is an email sent to a friend of Dr. Blaylock and is now being
forwarded to anyone interested. Please pass it along. Also note the
attached biography of Dr. Blaylock. Dr. Blaylock is a board
certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU
School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical
internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of
South Carolina in Charleston, SC.

No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine)—it is one of the
most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant
called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe
autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus.
The newsletter for August covers this and it may not be out yet.
This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War
syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200%
increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). T his virus
H1N1 kills by causing a “cytokine storm”, which means that it cause
the body’s immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing
young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have
weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune
stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality
of the virus much greater.
One’s best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an
overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called
antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that
does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the
higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection. Fish oils
(the best is Carlson’s Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also
reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient.
For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of
various kins also help—this includes, quercetin, curcumin, grape seed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E. A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core.

 

[2manykids]

Here is a little light reading

 

[sledderdoc]

This is a cut and paste from an email I got yesterday.


This was forwarded to me…so I’m passing it along to you…
Subject: DR. RUSSELL BLAYLOCK ON SWINE FLU

This is an email sent to a friend of Dr. Blaylock and is now being
forwarded to anyone interested. Please pass it along. Also note the
attached biography of Dr. Blaylock. Dr. Blaylock is a board
certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU
School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical
internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of
South Carolina in Charleston, SC.

No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine)—it is one of the
most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant
called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe
autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus.
The newsletter for August covers this and it may not be out yet.
This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War
syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200%
increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). T his virus
H1N1 kills by causing a “cytokine storm”, which means that it cause
the body’s immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing
young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have
weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune
stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality
of the virus much greater.
One’s best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an
overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called
antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that
does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the
higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection. Fish oils
(the best is Carlson’s Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also
reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient.
For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of
various kins also help—this includes, quercetin, curcumin, grape seed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E. A good multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core.

Don't believe everything you read. The vaccine does not contain squaline period!

 

[sledderdoc]

I'm going to be blunt and just say the responses I've read so far are largely posted out of ignorance!

What is a virus? A virus is a chunk of protein that has one job and one job only and that is to replicate itself. Once inside a host cell it uses that cells protein to build more of itself until the cell bursts and millions are released into your system. Now your sick!

How does your immune system work? Your immune system sees the virus and creates an intibody to redflag each viral cell so white blood cells can eat it. Takes about 7 to 10 days for it to make enough to clear all of them, one at a time. Thats why a cold lasts that long.

How is the vaccine made? Lets say each little viral cell is an egg. First you get as many eggs as possible. Then you denature the protein rendering it inactive. In this case we'll boil our eggs denaturing the liquid protein to produce a hard boiled egg. Then you crush it up, throw away the shell and presto you have something you can inject into the body.
Your immune system only needs to see part of the virus to make antibodies.

How does the vaccine work? Now that your immune system has seen the protein it produces the little red flag antibodies. When an actuall H1N1 viral cell enters the body not only do the immune cells let go one antibody they let go millions thereby affectively stopping it in it's tracks. You don't get sick.

Why should you be immunized? H1N1 is particularily virile and unpredictible in its severity. It can as you have heard it can kill otherwise healthy patients. The governments of the world are trying to stop the virus infecting millions of people. Hopefully you do not get sick but in addtion hopefully you don't become a factory to make more!!
It's not a government conspiracy!! It's FREEE!!! And it's made the same way every flu vaccine has been made for years!! It's perfectly safe.


We are just entering flu season and I guarentee you each one of you will be touched by this virus! How would you feel if your child dies and you could have done something about it!!!

 

[BC Sno-Ghost]

I'm going to be blunt and just say the responses I've read so far are largely posted out of ignorance!

What is a virus? A virus is a chunk of protein that has one job and one job only and that is to replicate itself. Once inside a host cell it uses that cells protein to build more of itself until the cell bursts and millions are released into your system. Now your sick!

How does your immune system work? Your immune system sees the virus and creates an intibody to redflag each viral cell so white blood cells can eat it. Takes about 7 to 10 days for it to make enough to clear all of them, one at a time. Thats why a cold lasts that long.

How is the vaccine made? Lets say each little viral cell is an egg. First you get as many eggs as possible. Then you denature the protein rendering it inactive. In this case we'll boil our eggs denaturing the liquid protein to produce a hard boiled egg. Then you crush it up, throw away the shell and presto you have something you can inject into the body.
Your immune system only needs to see part of the virus to make antibodies.

How does the vaccine work? Now that your immune system has seen the protein it produces the little red flag antibodies. When an actuall H1N1 viral cell enters the body not only do the immune cells let go one antibody they let go millions thereby affectively stopping it in it's tracks. You don't get sick.

Why should you be immunized? H1N1 is particularily virile and unpredictible in its severity. It can as you have heard it can kill otherwise healthy patients. The governments of the world are trying to stop the virus infecting millions of people. Hopefully you do not get sick but in addtion hopefully you don't become a factory to make more!!
It's not a government conspiracy!! It's FREEE!!! And it's made the same way every flu vaccine has been made for years!! It's perfectly safe.


We are just entering flu season and I guarentee you each one of you will be touched by this virus! How would you feel if your child dies and you could have done something about it!!!

All interesting and accurate facts but, it has yet to be specifically determined what triggers an Autoimmune response within the human body. For me that is the #1 concern and reason for not getting the vaccination. Right now I'm going through what Dr's can only explain as a "possible autoimmune response' which may be attacking my auditory nerves in my inner ear. Four Dr's have no idea what may have triggered it. I could be deaf within a year, they don't really know. It has been indicated through various articles about the H1N1 vaccine, that it may play a role in activating autoimmune responses causing disorders such as MS. True that you may feel terrible if a loved one dies from the virus and you may have been able to do something to prevent it, however I'd likely feel just as bad if I had my child take the vaccination, surrounded by all the controversy and unanswered questions, and now my child requires full care for the remainder of his/her life because the vaccine caused a response within his/her body that is now slowly taking away their quality of life and ultimately killing them. Could you imagine seeing your son/daughter wind up like the girl in the video I posted a couple of pages back? Ignorance? Maybe. But my body has fought off Flu viruses before and I'm going to take my chances on it coming through for me again.

 

[ZRrrr]

Here is a little light reading

Great article....sites some REAL truths. If yu think about the money these cmpanies will make from this it's mind boggling. They can then use that money to turn around anf further contribute to specific politicians and/or bolster their lobby groups. In essence the governement paying out the money is being bought off by the very money they paid out. Sick!

I now hear that Canada will be bringing in adjuvent free vaccine from Australia for pregnanat women. If it's "better" for pregnanat women, whi isn't it better for everyone!!?? Something to think about.

We have "epidemics" of things in North America that cause far more deaths every year than any flu. Why do they not get such government, financial and media attention??

Again I say.....waaaaay too many questions.

 

[ZRrrr]

I'm going to be blunt and just say the responses I've read so far are largely posted out of ignorance!

What is a virus? A virus is a chunk of protein that has one job and one job only and that is to replicate itself. Once inside a host cell it uses that cells protein to build more of itself until the cell bursts and millions are released into your system. Now your sick!

How does your immune system work? Your immune system sees the virus and creates an intibody to redflag each viral cell so white blood cells can eat it. Takes about 7 to 10 days for it to make enough to clear all of them, one at a time. Thats why a cold lasts that long.

How is the vaccine made? Lets say each little viral cell is an egg. First you get as many eggs as possible. Then you denature the protein rendering it inactive. In this case we'll boil our eggs denaturing the liquid protein to produce a hard boiled egg. Then you crush it up, throw away the shell and presto you have something you can inject into the body.
Your immune system only needs to see part of the virus to make antibodies.

How does the vaccine work? Now that your immune system has seen the protein it produces the little red flag antibodies. When an actuall H1N1 viral cell enters the body not only do the immune cells let go one antibody they let go millions thereby affectively stopping it in it's tracks. You don't get sick.

Why should you be immunized? H1N1 is particularily virile and unpredictible in its severity. It can as you have heard it can kill otherwise healthy patients. The governments of the world are trying to stop the virus infecting millions of people. Hopefully you do not get sick but in addtion hopefully you don't become a factory to make more!!
It's not a government conspiracy!! It's FREEE!!! And it's made the same way every flu vaccine has been made for years!! It's perfectly safe.


We are just entering flu season and I guarentee you each one of you will be touched by this virus! How would you feel if your child dies and you could have done something about it!!!

With all due respect NOTHING is free, especially with a government involved!! There are many things in this world that take the lives of children, more than any flu, and we CAN do something about those.

 

[Scuba]

Well I haven't read one post that anyone is getting the shot.....I guess i'll be the first to say that i'm getting it, my wife ( who is a public nurse) is giving the shot out to people right now, has received the shot, my son has received the shot, vaccines are given to help you. IMO the cheerleader who was given the seasonal flu shot not the H1N1, looks like the stars lined up in her case as that is the first time that i have heard of something like this happening in her case it is very sad. At the end of the day it is up to you to make the call for what is best for your family.

 

[sledderdoc]

All interesting and accurate facts but, it has yet to be specifically determined what triggers an Autoimmune response within the human body. For me that is the #1 concern and reason for not getting the vaccination. Right now I'm going through what Dr's can only explain as a "possible autoimmune response' which may be attacking my auditory nerves in my inner ear. Four Dr's have no idea what may have triggered it. I could be deaf within a year, they don't really know. It has been indicated through various articles about the H1N1 vaccine, that it may play a role in activating autoimmune responses causing disorders such as MS. True that you may feel terrible if a loved one dies from the virus and you may have been able to do something to prevent it, however I'd likely feel just as bad if I had my child take the vaccination, surrounded by all the controversy and unanswered questions, and now my child requires full care for the remainder of his/her life because the vaccine caused a response within his/her body that is now slowly taking away their quality of life and ultimately killing them. Could you imagine seeing your son/daughter wind up like the girl in the video I posted a couple of pages back? Ignorance? Maybe. But my body has fought off Flu viruses before and I'm going to take my chances on it coming through for me again.

An autoimmune response is the bodies own whiteblood cells killing healthy cells. We totally know how it works! White blood cells don't eat cells they only eat redflags (anitbodies) and whatever that flag is attached to. Why the body is tagging heathly cells is another matter. This vaccine however has nothing to do with that. In the small amount of studies done the vaccine has preformed well. Only reason larger studies aren't available is that there is no time!! Time will tell once the full wave has hit and believe me you ain't seen nothing yet!! Schools only have to report when 20% or more of their students are home with flu like symptoms. Last week 3 schools in the Edm. Catholic System made the call!! Trust me when more people start dying you won't be able to get a vaccine fast enough. If your at all concerned speak with your Doctor. Most health professionals I've talked to are getting the shot! What does that tell you???