Gas vs Diesel

[pfi572]

The one kicker with the F150 is the payload rating drops significantly if you upgrade from a regular cab to supercab, like in the range of 800 lbs.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...neral/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_F150_Oct15.pdf

Aren’t they all the same no matter what ? F150,F250,F350
They all drop payload as you add weight to the truck itself .

 

[ABMax24]

Aren’t they all the same no matter what ? F150,F250,F350
They all drop payload as you add weight to the truck itself .

Yes they are like that as well, just usually don't loose that much. The superduty line does have the option to go to a higher GVW though to compensate depending upon how the truck is ordered.

It's more critical on an F150 though, that difference of 800lbs is the difference between being legal and illegal with a slide in camper. Although there are some campers that are 1500 lbs dry by time you add water, gear, and people you're over the 2000lb payload of most supercab/crewcab F150's, but the regular cab's extra payload would haul it legally.

 

[JMCX]

A modest slide-in camper or single axle travel trailer is ok but the truck needs to be crew cab for the big dog.

The only real reason to consider a diesel is economy. The way the price at the pump seems to be permanently stuck at 20-25% above gas negates a lot of that. Diesels hold their value a lot better.

 

[blubbles]

Sure diesels hold value, but they sure cost you more. I'd expect any savings would be eaten up by maintenance costs, exp at 50,000kms a year. Hell oil changes alone cost too damn much.

 

[catalac]

It's all about the biweekly payment unfortunately. We've had the discussion, I've shared links explaining the pitfalls. Suggested going low key in this economy. Got to leave that one alone now.



Beautiful truck. I hear the 6.2 is good on fuel. A little out of the budget though.



Does Ford still offer the 7 lug HD 1500s? Last I saw they were only in a few configurations. Even a regular might be a good choice.

There are some crazy incentives rolling out but not on the HDs so far.

no the 7 lug is no more.

 

[Cyle]

If money is that tight a diesel makes no sense, especially if it's not required. The other thing is for the same dollars you're going to get a diesel with a ton more km on it, and racking up 50k a year it will be high mileage in no time. Even if diesel eventually gets cheaper again, it would cost about the same to own as a 1500 gas by the time you factor in more expensive maintenance. A 1500 gas can last 200-250k with little done to it, I would just find something pretty low km so it will last awhile.

If financing for 7 years and putting on 50k a year, do they know they are going to be upside down on it and not likely the truck will last 7 years? Even 4 years in on a gas 1500 with like 200-250 on it they are worth nothing. While i'm not opposed to a long term to keep payments low, they should be thinking ahead to pay it down quicker or saving for a new vehicle pretty quick.

 

[pfi572]

Amazes me how before let’s say 1993 anyone could have ever pulled anything as the diesel trucks were a joke ?
Now people need a diesel to make a couple trips a year pulling the big trailer that most only use a couple weeks a year if that . Lol
Be cheaper to rent one for those few trips if you think it’s required ?

 

[acesup800]

If money is that tight a diesel makes no sense, especially if it's not required. The other thing is for the same dollars you're going to get a diesel with a ton more km on it, and racking up 50k a year it will be high mileage in no time. Even if diesel eventually gets cheaper again, it would cost about the same to own as a 1500 gas by the time you factor in more expensive maintenance. A 1500 gas can last 200-250k with little done to it, I would just find something pretty low km so it will last awhile.

If financing for 7 years and putting on 50k a year, do they know they are going to be upside down on it and not likely the truck will last 7 years? Even 4 years in on a gas 1500 with like 200-250 on it they are worth nothing. While i'm not opposed to a long term to keep payments low, they should be thinking ahead to pay it down quicker or saving for a new vehicle pretty quick.

This is a very good point. Payments over 7 years, on a vehicle with 50k/yr probably won't last 7 years. Or will most likely require something major in that time. Nothing worse than making payments on vehicle you don't have.

 

[JMCX]

If money is that tight a diesel makes no sense, especially if it's not required. The other thing is for the same dollars you're going to get a diesel with a ton more km on it, and racking up 50k a year it will be high mileage in no time. Even if diesel eventually gets cheaper again, it would cost about the same to own as a 1500 gas by the time you factor in more expensive maintenance. A 1500 gas can last 200-250k with little done to it, I would just find something pretty low km so it will last awhile.

If financing for 7 years and putting on 50k a year, do they know they are going to be upside down on it and not likely the truck will last 7 years? Even 4 years in on a gas 1500 with like 200-250 on it they are worth nothing. While i'm not opposed to a long term to keep payments low, they should be thinking ahead to pay it down quicker or saving for a new vehicle pretty quick.

This is a very good point. Payments over 7 years, on a vehicle with 50k/yr probably won't last 7 years. Or will most likely require something major in that time. Nothing worse than making payments on vehicle you don't have.

All good advice. I have brought all this up before. Some people are more 'deal with it later'. The last truck had an eight year loan with a previous unfinished eight year loan rolled into it! A dude who ran a red and fate have delivered a clean slate.

If taken care of a truck should easily go 400k. Even gasers. Not sure about some of these MDS engines though. Some will require more maintenance than others. I had an 03 Ram with 570k l sold for $8k and a 11 Silverado with 425k l sold for $13k. Both were clean with just enough options to get a power seat. Diesels of course.

 

[Cyle]

All good advice. I have brought all this up before. Some people are more 'deal with it later'. The last truck had an eight year loan with a previous unfinished eight year loan rolled into it! A dude who ran a red and fate have delivered a clean slate.

If taken care of a truck should easily go 400k. Even gasers. Not sure about some of these MDS engines though. Some will require more maintenance than others. I had an 03 Ram with 570k l sold for $8k and a 11 Silverado with 425k l sold for $13k. Both were clean with just enough options to get a power seat. Diesels of course.

The diesel should make it to 400k plus but not without work. And problem is it's going to get more expensive to own in the later years, you could have things like transmission or other few thousand dollar repairs and still be making payments on it. Most will make it to over 200k with little repairs but not generally 400k. I would not expect a gas truck to last until 400k though, maybe but not for sure without replacing motor. I just picked up a 11 ram 1500 crew cab big horn 200km on it for $8,000 and the thing is absolutely mint and needs nothing. Gas trucks with that km on it are even a hard sell.

With that long of term i'd say buying a new 1500 might be the best bet, paying like 5-6% on a used diesel adds a lot of interest, and a used 1-2 year old 1500 will work out to about the same price after you factor in higher interest rate. Many 0% offers on, and if you keep it the 7 years the 0% works out quite favorably as they anticipate most won't keep it that long. If they aren't crazy on options you could get a new one for $40k easy.

 

[JMCX]

The diesel should make it to 400k plus but not without work. And problem is it's going to get more expensive to own in the later years, you could have things like transmission or other few thousand dollar repairs and still be making payments on it. Most will make it to over 200k with little repairs but not generally 400k. I would not expect a gas truck to last until 400k though, maybe but not for sure without replacing motor. I just picked up a 11 ram 1500 crew cab big horn 200km on it for $8,000 and the thing is absolutely mint and needs nothing. Gas trucks with that km on it are even a hard sell.

With that long of term i'd say buying a new 1500 might be the best bet, paying like 5-6% on a used diesel adds a lot of interest, and a used 1-2 year old 1500 will work out to about the same price after you factor in higher interest rate. Many 0% offers on, and if you keep it the 7 years the 0% works out quite favorably as they anticipate most won't keep it that long. If they aren't crazy on options you could get a new one for $40k easy.

That's a good deal you got on the 11. See any more of those around

Diesel just got cheaper than gas to complicate things. Haven't seen that for awhile. Probably won't last but who knows with this economy. Probably related to the big reduction in jet fuel use.

 

[JMCX]

Just an update. A used 2019 Ram 3500 with 6.4 and 45k on the clock was purchased a few months ago. It's a good truck but not the one l would have chosen. Found a few, with half the km, for the same price but one couldn't do the eight year thing and the other was up in Edmonton and patience got short. Anyway, this thing is a crew cab long box and she claims to be getting 11-12 l/100 on the highway. Way better than l would have expected. Since it will rarely be loaded no regrets going with gas so far.