FSR roads and radio's

[X-it]

I would say most people are not going to like the changes being proposed to take place this summer during the work week. But the good news is if it goes through no none worker will need a radio...ha ha

 

[Joholio]

Loaded for two at three on the zipper lip

 

[Modman]

Radio protocol changed last year Bart...at least in the East Kootenays. We're now supposed to call "UP" or "DOWN" instead of loaded or unloaded. Probably some bureaucrat with nothing better to do. They have new signs up all over the place with FSR protocol on them now.

Good to know thanks. In AB I know they are still using loaded/empty in spots. Up/down is just as good IMO, biggest thing is that they know you are on the road and whereabouts you are on the road.

 

[imdoo'n]

The up and down works real well, up as the numbers go up and down as the numbers decrease. Works good.

 

[ferniesnow]

Lots of good information. I don't know why guys want to put themselves in jeopardy with a loaded logging truck or a flatbed hauling a big friggin' track-hoe............

Incident here last year and lots of damage. Don't rely on anybody "passing along the word" for you. There is some ugly chit with switch backs, rock faces, canyons, blind corners, icy roads, and naturally narrow roads. I don't know if they are using 10' bunks or not but as it is a private road right to the mill it makes sense to me! That's another foot and a half wider than normal!

Guys, if you are travelling on an active logging road (recently plowed and signed), plain and simple; HAVE AND USE A VHF RADIO!

Lots of protocol to follow and it is the sledders responsibility to know/learn what to doo. Yes, we are into UP and DOWN in the Kootenays as some bureaucrat thought this was more applicable or more understandable. Call every km (that is what you are supposed to doo) and you will have a clear conscience. "Pick-up 42 km UP the LodgePole" or as some of the loggers say "42 km UP the Pole". As mentioned earlier, "Pick-up with sleds for 2 or 3 or whatever, KM 40 UP the LodgePole". It is good protocol to wait for a reply. Before you venture forth, somehow it is your responsibility to know where the pull-outs/passing areas are. In a respectful and polite manner ask a trucker. They like their job to be safe!

With self loaders, maintenance vehicles, loaded/empty logging trucks, and guys wanting to make a buck, these roads can be and many times are active 24/7. Even with a fresh snowfall and no tracks on the road, there could be someone coming out or DOWN (that went in or UP, the night before) and that could be the loaded semi you are dreading.

This is serious chit guys, so for who read this, get it right the first time!

 

[X-it]

They will make concessions for the odd door knob coming in calling all his miles. But you are running the risk of talking over top of a loaded truck which is dangerous for everybody. These truckers are listening and trying to time all their pull outs just right. You being on the road is costing them safety and money. I can see now why they want to close the roads down. If you have to go in, follow and empty and stay off the radio. This advise is for active roads, the rest of the roads that are not active just talk away.

 

[lilduke]

Private roads, private companies, making private money on Public land...hmmm seems to me I have just as much right to be there as anyone else IMHO. Have a Radio though, nobody wants to get killed.

 

[sled_wrangler]

Alberta as far as I know is still loaded / empty which I think sucks just cause they are calling empty doesn't mean they are that just means the direction they are heading if I remember correct loaded is down in numbers and empty is up ... all of bc I think is now up and down and this is just not logging roads this is also oil field roads .. the one thing I learned driving big truck on those roads is im bigger I win I'm not moving over to hit the ditch ... I can pull you out you can't pull me out also those speed limits on these roads are posted for a reason so fallow them ... blind corners and hills come up fast on these roads .. like others guys have said on here if you don't know ask most people on the road will be more then happy to let you know what's what

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[imdoo'n]

anyone looking for a portable truck vhs radio?

 

[medler]

Silent pass is another road that you wanna have radios on

 

[andystepper]

even if you don't have a radio, im sure most drivers on the road will be more than happy to call for 2 when on a radio controlled road. just wait at the beginning for someone with a radio. lots of companies in ft.mac require having an escort even when you have a radio. more roads going digital up there it seems.

 

[dpolacik]

They will make concessions for the odd door knob coming in calling all his miles. But you are running the risk of talking over top of a loaded truck which is dangerous for everybody. These truckers are listening and trying to time all their pull outs just right. You being on the road is costing them safety and money. I can see now why they want to close the roads down. If you have to go in, follow and empty and stay off the radio. This advise is for active roads, the rest of the roads that are not active just talk away.

In the SE Koot area empty or up still call. Just every third or fifth Km until about 5 to 8 Kms from the nearest loaded or down traffic. That way loaded or down know your there and also because of a number of poor transmitting areas, More so in the Flathead and Up The Elk Valley area's.

 

[X-it]

Truckers are really good at figuring out problem areas fast, like poor reception areas. They add there own little quirks to roads for sure. Then there is joe snowmobilier coming in figuring he has it covered and takes their prime pull outs so he can go sledding for the day, everything is happy.

 

[ferniesnow]

The main sledding area Pullouts are plowed for parking trailers and trucks (LodgePole/Wigwam junction, MacLatchie, Harvey, and Howell/29Mile and KM 82 in the Flathead) so that they can park and not block the road. Some are bigger or smaller than others and I am not talking about the KM pull-outs for meeting loggers or equipment trucks.

Another point to add to the mix, there is an "ambulance or medical vehicle" that was supposed to be located at KM 82. Don't block that in as they need access in case of emergency.

 

[Weirboondocking]

We should be allowed on all of these roads if we use a radio and follow protocol. The last few years we have had no access to Morrissey Rd. or staging area.
I think that a large part of that decision was made due to a lack of compliance with the radios before they went in to log it. This road would be deadly if a mistake was made.

With that said please remember that other roads that are safer than this one is where we gain the trust of the loggers and other forestry workers, and by working together we can keep our backcounty a multi use resource for all of us to work and play...


Also remember that you using the radio is just as much for the loggers/foresters/trappers... safety as it is for yours. They have the right to work safely and we should respect that.

Please use a radio or don't go in.

 

[somethingnuw]

Good to know thanks. In AB I know they are still using loaded/empty in spots. Up/down is just as good IMO, biggest thing is that they know you are on the road and whereabouts you are on the road.

still that sucks... loaded / unloaded made sense and you never mistaked pickup truck empty or loaded... now its "pickup up" pick up down! the double "up" is going to get missed...just saying...

 

[X-it]

Up and down is way safer, loaded and unloaded some times they where going up loaded on some roads so you could not tell what direction the truck was going. Up on the kilometers or down on the kilometers what is so hard about that.

 

[moyiesledhead]

Up and down is way safer, loaded and unloaded some times you where going up loaded on some roads. Up on the kilometers or down on the kilometers what is so hard about that.

Some people have a problem with math.

 

[Bnorth]

still that sucks... loaded / unloaded made sense and you never mistaked pickup truck empty or loaded... now its "pickup up" pick up down! the double "up" is going to get missed...just saying...

This isn't brain surgery, far more company pickups travel these roads and they have been doing it safely for years under these calling procedures. If you call properly it's not confusing. "3km up Adams, pickup."

 

[ferniesnow]

We should be allowed on all of these roads if we use a radio and fallow protocol. The last few years we have had no access to Morrissey rd or staging area.
I think that a large part of that decision was made due to a lack of compliance with the radios before they went in to log it. This road would be deadly if a mistake was made..

That particular road is on private land and through the canyon there is no room for error. The land owner can and does close down a road for various reasons. Morrissey was a prime example. Sledders would not stay off the plowed road. Tembec closed the road. The next step (following the closure) was to bring in the CO's and fine and/or confiscate sleds.