Fire everyone at Brp in the clutching department.

[pistoncontracting]

Ya know, this thread is almost exactly like back in 2013. I remember it like it was yesterday.
I was riding a 2008 XP at the time, and was trying to apply the things I was learning on Schooled. It was tough though, due to the sled continually want to wash out, no matter what I tried. It seemed though, that the Pro chassis didn't seem to do it. I turned to snow and mud, to see how guys liked the Pro.

A few guys refused to let their Pro's warm up and had engine problems. Those that did manage to let it warm up to operating temp did their very best to grenade the quick drive belts/drive shafts. Basically, these sleds were the biggest pieces of **** known to man, at least since the 900's. I've always been one to root for the under dog, so I thought what the hell- lets see what all the fuss is about.

I bought a brand new 2013 Pro, and you know what? Never blew the motor up. Never broke a drive shaft. Never broke a QD belt. Did go through a few a arms. Did blow up a few drive belts, and did ghost ride a tree that ultimatly ended that sleds life. I bought a '15 Pro, and tried to kill it for 3 years too. Two of which were turbod. No engine failures. No QD failures.

Moral of the story, don't believe everything you read on S&M. Some guys are their own worst enemy. It's to bad more people can;t be honest about the problems they encounter.

I'm seriously thinking about buying a left over 175 850, for exactly the same reasons I bought my Pro.

 

[Popsiclestand]

Ya know, this thread is almost exactly like back in 2013. I remember it like it was yesterday.
I was riding a 2008 XP at the time, and was trying to apply the things I was learning on Schooled. It was tough though, due to the sled continually want to wash out, no matter what I tried. It seemed though, that the Pro chassis didn't seem to do it. I turned to snow and mud, to see how guys liked the Pro.

A few guys refused to let their Pro's warm up and had engine problems. Those that did manage to let it warm up to operating temp did their very best to grenade the quick drive belts/drive shafts. Basically, these sleds were the biggest pieces of **** known to man, at least since the 900's. I've always been one to root for the under dog, so I thought what the hell- lets see what all the fuss is about.

I bought a brand new 2013 Pro, and you know what? Never blew the motor up. Never broke a drive shaft. Never broke a QD belt. Did go through a few a arms. Did blow up a few drive belts, and did ghost ride a tree that ultimatly ended that sleds life. I bought a '15 Pro, and tried to kill it for 3 years too. Two of which were turbod. No engine failures. No QD failures.

Moral of the story, don't believe everything you read on S&M. Some guys are their own worst enemy. It's to bad more people can;t be honest about the problems they encounter.

I'm seriously thinking about buying a left over 175 850, for exactly the same reasons I bought my Pro.

I'm all for taking everything on the internet with a grain of salt. However, my riding partners sled...brand new 2017 175x3" 850 SP had clutch issues from day one. Was never even fired, It was fork lifted onto the sled deck, got it into the shop and had roughly 10-12 thou of run out on the primary clutch. Removed the primary and spun it in a lathe to the tune of 24 thou of run out. The major issue IMO doo has is in the fixed sheave of the primary clutch not being true.

 

[skegpro]

It’s a camso track?

I don't care about brand, it seems to be a ****ty track.

The conquer track is ****ty too in my books. Camso took to much meat out of them.

 

[d mills]

Ya know, this thread is almost exactly like back in 2013. I remember it like it was yesterday.
I was riding a 2008 XP at the time, and was trying to apply the things I was learning on Schooled. It was tough though, due to the sled continually want to wash out, no matter what I tried. It seemed though, that the Pro chassis didn't seem to do it. I turned to snow and mud, to see how guys liked the Pro.

A few guys refused to let their Pro's warm up and had engine problems. Those that did manage to let it warm up to operating temp did their very best to grenade the quick drive belts/drive shafts. Basically, these sleds were the biggest pieces of **** known to man, at least since the 900's. I've always been one to root for the under dog, so I thought what the hell- lets see what all the fuss is about.

I bought a brand new 2013 Pro, and you know what? Never blew the motor up. Never broke a drive shaft. Never broke a QD belt. Did go through a few a arms. Did blow up a few drive belts, and did ghost ride a tree that ultimatly ended that sleds life. I bought a '15 Pro, and tried to kill it for 3 years too. Two of which were turbod. No engine failures. No QD failures.

Moral of the story, don't believe everything you read on S&M. Some guys are their own worst enemy. It's to bad more people can;t be honest about the problems they encounter.

I'm seriously thinking about buying a left over 175 850, for exactly the same reasons I bought my Pro.

True the interwebs do blow a lot of things out of proportion. My 17 has been pretty decent with my limited km and Alberta km. With limited load my clutches are able to be held after the deepest/longest pulls I’ve gave it. But haven’t got any west slopes riding yet. I have however already changed a right steering boot cause it bloated and ripped. Kind of a piss off. Especially without any super deep riding. Lots of over bumper so I guess that’s enough. Overall liking it. But the new cat is very impressive. And I bleed yellow.

 

[jpmez69]

Ya know, this thread is almost exactly like back in 2013. I remember it like it was yesterday.
I was riding a 2008 XP at the time, and was trying to apply the things I was learning on Schooled. It was tough though, due to the sled continually want to wash out, no matter what I tried. It seemed though, that the Pro chassis didn't seem to do it. I turned to snow and mud, to see how guys liked the Pro.

A few guys refused to let their Pro's warm up and had engine problems. Those that did manage to let it warm up to operating temp did their very best to grenade the quick drive belts/drive shafts. Basically, these sleds were the biggest pieces of **** known to man, at least since the 900's. I've always been one to root for the under dog, so I thought what the hell- lets see what all the fuss is about.

I bought a brand new 2013 Pro, and you know what? Never blew the motor up. Never broke a drive shaft. Never broke a QD belt. Did go through a few a arms. Did blow up a few drive belts, and did ghost ride a tree that ultimatly ended that sleds life. I bought a '15 Pro, and tried to kill it for 3 years too. Two of which were turbod. No engine failures. No QD failures.

Moral of the story, don't believe everything you read on S&M. Some guys are their own worst enemy. It's to bad more people can;t be honest about the problems they encounter.

I'm seriously thinking about buying a left over 175 850, for exactly the same reasons I bought my Pro.

Well said, I too root for the under dog as in this case it's been Doo that is at the center of attention. It always seems to attract the same trolls to these theads. I like the challenge of making these things work as there suppose to. When they work they are hard to beat.

 

[d mills]

I don't care about brand, it seems to be a ****ty track.

The conquer track is ****ty too in my books. Camso took to much meat out of them.

That’s fair. Just observing.

 

[snopro]

i'm all for taking everything on the internet with a grain of salt. However, my riding partners sled...brand new 2017 175x3" 850 sp had clutch issues from day one. Was never even fired, it was fork lifted onto the sled deck, got it into the shop and had roughly 10-12 thou of run out on the primary clutch. Removed the primary and spun it in a lathe to the tune of 24 thou of run out. The major issue imo doo has is in the fixed sheave of the primary clutch not being true.

2017 175 sp?

 

[Popsiclestand]

2017 175 sp?

Yeah? Summit SP obviously.

 

[pistoncontracting]

and had roughly 10-12 thou of run out on the primary clutch. Removed the primary and spun it in a lathe to the tune of 24 thou of run out.

I guess that makes sense, since that's how it was designed. I'm almost impressed that your findings match with what Doo said they should be.

 

[pistoncontracting]

Yeah? Summit SP obviously.

BRP didn't offer a 175 in '17.

 

[Popsiclestand]

I guess that makes sense, since that's how it was designed. I'm almost impressed that your findings match with what Doo said they should be.

Yet doo is the only one who "designs" a wobble into a CVT system...thats not how a CVT system works. I bleed yellow, but don't sit here and state that they don't have a problem in their clutching.

 

[Popsiclestand]

BRP didn't offer a 175 in '17.

Sled is an 18', I forget were into the 2019 model year now.

 

[skegpro]

Yet doo is the only one who "designs" a wobble into a CVT system...thats not how a CVT system works. I bleed yellow, but don't sit here and state that they don't have a problem in their clutching.

The 650 isn't going to have a wobble clutch from the sounds of it. Will be interesting to see how that does.

 

[adamg]

The 650 isn't going to have a wobble clutch from the sounds of it. Will be interesting to see how that does.

I don't think there is a 650, skegpro.

 

[pano-dude]

Rails, track, skis? I think he needs to quit putting all the blame on Doo and put on his big man pants? Just my observation.

If nobody else was having the same issues then I would agree with you but many others in the same situation.

The guy is 150lbs wet and is not a cliff hucker or jumper.

The sled is amazing just fragile.

 

[pistoncontracting]

Yet doo is the only one who "designs" a wobble into a CVT system...thats not how a CVT system works. I bleed yellow, but don't sit here and state that they don't have a problem in their clutching.

Don't confuse my comments as defending Doo. All I'm saying, is they can't all be bad, and that just maybe some of the issues guys are haveing is *gasp* partly caused by the rider.

 

[Caper11]

I don't think there is a 650, skegpro.

Exactly, and its a small bore engine.

 

[skegpro]

I don't think there is a 650, skegpro.

Sorry the new 600 engine.
What's it called?
The one they said pulls like the 850.......

Getting caught up in the 50 hype. Lol

 

[kanedog]

Ya know, you should go to Valcourt QC and tell them what they need do in order to maintain their majority market share. I bet for a guy like yourself who is so well versed with the doo product, they would pay you millions to get them back on track. It's all really a win/win. You make millions and and they continue to have the highest numbers out there. See, I've been reading you all wrong this whole time. With all your superior technical input directed at BRP on improving their product on line, they continue to do better by your feedback. I for one applaud you in making BRP the best well rounded recreational company out there. You sir are truly an asset to them. Keep up the hard work and thank you for your continued support!

Omg I just remembered a tidbit of belt information discovered by me that did actually save Brp possibly over 100k in false warranty claims. You won't believe it but this is how it all went down early in 2017.

My friend blew 25 belts on his 850. I will call him 25 belt.
So 25 belt is on belt 16 and he is frustrated.
I want to help my friend 25 belt.
I immediately commence a Kanedog belt investigation.
The evidence shows that the 850 belt has a distinctive wear pattern that is very different from the xm wear pattern.
I show the two different wear patterns to 25 belt.
At that time there were many unscrupulous unnamed 850 owners claiming tons of their friends blown xm belts as 850 warranty. They were then selling these new belts for profit.
25 belt tells the 850 belt identification info to local dealer.
Local dealer happens to be with head Brp engineer the very next day.
Dealer shows brp head cheese how to tell a blown 850 belt from a blown xm belt. Head cheese is smiling and full of joy as denying warranty is reason for celebration of course!
A few day later, out goes a worldwide Brp bulletin on how to tell a fake belt warranty claim. .
Yes, idiot Kanedog with help from 25 belt and dealer were responsible for that bulletin. Im sure someone will claim it as their idea but whatever, I know how it went down.
So to make a long story longer, I am also one of the first non brp humans to inadvertently notice the wobble blunder while trying to solve the pdrive riddle. During that adventure, I named the clutch "wobble clutch" and it has stuck ever since. True story. Laff all you want. It happened. I named that bish. Kanedog is now cemented in sledding history. Yep. Coincidentally, myself and a sled shop discovered this within 3 hours of each other. We both posted our findings. I posted a video of the sheave on a lathe and magically, the next day Brp posts a fake patent application for a crooked wheel invention. I believe it was fake as the idea is so stupid that it wouldn't make it past the patent office front door. The idea is that dumb.
Anyway, it is my belief that Kanedog has been involved 3 MAJOR events/things at Brp and I would also like say Hi to Brp social media monitoring team. Hi Team! Happy Easter!
So moving on, I have got 850 clutch temps below 200 degrees easily with Brp genuine clutch parts. But I will wait until the 2019 production runs are done and things can't be changed until I show the clutch video phenomenon.

 

[Cat401]

I'll tell you one thing Kanedog...........your posts are, hands down, the most entertaining to read on this site!!!