Fines for creek crossings?

[Lem Lamb]

Ha. You read some of Ernest Hemmingway I see.

Why did the chicken cross the road ?

Most folks say... "To get too the other side"!

Ernest would say. "Too die........ In the rain........ A lone !!! This is the one who out lives his kin that are buried on the hill side of land we cleared for our self when the day comes.

Today was good as I "hope" tomorrow is better.

 

[imdoo'n]

Ya , as i get older i lost the need to race to the death bed! Lol, some haven't gotten the memo yet


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[Joholio]

You must have been near falls creek. Clear cut as far as the eye can see. In as little as the last 5 years it's all gone. Not one greenie planting trees either.

Yes and this is the headwaters of the Prairie and the Tay, two of the main trout habitats in the area. The finger is definitely pointing in the wrong direction if anyone wants to acknowledge its industry not recreation causing the greatest damage out there. The friggin trails wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for industry.

 

[tex78]

Yes and this is the headwaters of the Prairie and the Tay, two of the main trout habitats in the area. The finger is definitely pointing in the wrong direction if anyone wants to acknowledge its industry not recreation causing the greatest damage out there. The friggin trails wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for industry.

Add seismic lines to that list, still industry

 

[lilduke]

So what,,, lets shut down recreation and industry then?? Well I think that is the plan. Canada's future is looking kinda scary....

 

[imdoo'n]

pretty much all the trails out west are due to industry. I was under the impression that riding atv in falls creek area was illegal? they fined a few unfortunate last year for being in the creek. an a bunch for using the road $1500 If I'm not mistaken., not sure of regs, we stayed out.

 

[imdoo'n]

So what,,, lets shut down recreation and industry then?? Well I think that is the plan. Canada's future is looking kinda scary....

hoping not, but it seems we are our own worst enemy, just keep poking the hornets nest, so to speak.

 

[arff]

The logging group do not want to see the mess they left behind.

Close area and no one see's it.

I saw how they cross a creek.

 

[RhinoWhino]

Must have taken a few hrs to hike into falls creek ???

 

[rzrgade]

Simple fact is hikers don't se 3% of what quadders do ... If the greenie hikers seen what we saw , they would chit granola logs ...

 

[Sledderglen]

So the current government is quite alright with shutting down a billion $ + a year industry .... Close it all down and see how long before the local economy of the area will be begging for it to reopen .....! While holding the government accountable politically for the financial devastation The people and buisness's of the affected areas financial losses will be catastrophic ! IMO , the government is asking for way too much and , building a few bridges wil not appease the treehuggers in any case ! They want total closure to motorized vehicles , including sleds .

Also where does the money come from to hire the amount of enforcement needed to cover thousands of square miles ?? Not to mention the cost of maintaining said bridges and trails ??
While I thank all of you involved for your efforts , personlly I think you are on the wrong track in fighting this battle ...
The powers that be have you believing their BS ...and I see little mention of industry getting shut down over this . Of all the threads on this topic not once have I heard about the economic cost of the result of closing down/limiting the back country...
1 in 5 Albertans own an OHV .... Pull that out of the economy ?
While we are the minority of the province in terms of OHV owners , our financial spin off if exponential ... Big time !!
It seems you are quite happy with the new government and blame the old for all the issues . This would seem to fit with your total lack of financial accountability & understanding as to what the proposed rule changes would eventually end up costing . Much like everything the NDP touchs , great big ideas , huge debt , and no clue how to pay for it ...that's what I see !!

I might expect it from the NDP , which In any case will not be around when a "real" government comes back into power...
Anyways nothing personnel , but I think you are being played , much like the natives and greenies play the energy sector !

I also put forth this question to ponder ..... What would the mountain sledding community say if they were all forced to stay on a government approved & recognized trail or face huge fines ?
And please don't tell me this is a different issue , because you have quite clearly indicated the meat of the matter or the OHV rights vrs the the rights of the environmentalists in terms of crown land use ?

Just remember $$$ always win....,!

The government is very interested in how the local economy gets funded. This is why they haven't just plane shut it down. I sat at a table with the Mayor of Crowsnest Pass and a member of the government from Clarseshome. They all need OHV money to keep going. The government know how much we put into the economy but we need to clean up our act. Think of less trails and fewer crossings and those crossing have approved ways to cross. Bridges, gravel fords are a couple options.
Many years ago there was a plan to go forward to the government to fund a trail program for all motorized OHV and snowmobiles systems. The AOHVA didn't agree with system and they pulled out and killed the plan. We now have to deal with it all. Government will put together their plan and we will see how it goes for funding. Surcharge ontop of registration fees towards trail program. Would pull in millions every year. this would fund a lot over the years.
Those of us who can see the writing on the way are not being PLAYED. You need to step back and take a real long look at whats been going on. IF 1 in 5 Albertans have a OHV we are really in big trouble. YOUR 1 in 5 is wrong numbers. Greenies use numbers also and are corrected all the time.
When this Government is gone do you really think the next will change it back?? NEVER. This issue has been going on for years and finally we have a government willing to do something about it. Some OHV guys will be OK with it Some wont. Extreme greenies wont either.
Snowmobiling gets lumped into motorized recreation and will be hit to a certain degree as well. We always get lumped together but the government aren't after sledders as much because of the lack of visual impact we have on the ground.
To think that this isn't going to happen is wrong thinking. Whats needed is clubs to be formed and start working on a solution to the problem. If we aren't around as a organized group the government will do it without any input from local users.
This is going to take years when it gets started so get organized and think about where you want to ride.
South Saskatchewan River Regional Plan is the start and it will work into the other Regional Plans are they are developed. North Saskatchewan being collecting information right now Peace River plan collecting info also. IT HAS STARTED.
Good news is in the SSRP they so far are putting in a new Provincial Park with Motorized access allowed in the Park. NO other government has ever allowed the idea to even get mentioned. Our economic impact does make a difference to what the government does. keep on spending money in places you ride

 

[rzrgade]

I have talked for hours with the president of Aohva, he extended an offer to explain what they are up to at our jamboree , apparently Tyler has heard nothing back from them in regards to this . Do you wish for me to talk to Brent and extend the invitation again ? It would be nice to have them involved and as you say ... Working together . It would be nice to have feedback from them, then you could directly ask them what they are doing and why you do not believe the # s they use ? To correct you, the 1 in 5 number is not my number , rather a # quoted by AOHVA.

In terms of communication and working together, would it not be best for every one involved to hear it straight from the horse's mouth ....
Say the word and I will extend the invitation...?

 

[imdoo'n]

I have talked for hours with the president of Aohva, he extended an offer to explain what they are up to at our jamboree , apparently Tyler has heard nothing back from them in regards to this . Do you wish for me to talk to Brent and extend the invitation again ? It would be nice to have them involved and as you say ... Working together . It would be nice to have feedback from them, then you could directly ask them what they are doing and why you do not believe the # s they use ? To correct you, the 1 in 5 number is not my number , rather a # quoted by AOHVA.

In terms of communication and working together, would it not be best for every one involved to hear it straight from the horse's mouth ....
Say the word and I will extend the invitation...?

I find the 1 in 5 number a bit hard to believe, Sounds like a bit of a long shot. Someone trying to make numbers work for them. With numbers like that there would be stop n go traffic on the trails! Lol. 2015 alberta population in the area of 4.2 million/5 is 840,000 atv's sleds etc. majority of enthusiasts have at least an atv and a sled so now you're down to 420,000 people, then there are the kids, he11 I got 4 sleds 4 atv's.
Pretty much regurgitated bull digest


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[Joholio]

So what,,, lets shut down recreation and industry then?? Well I think that is the plan. Canada's future is looking kinda scary....

My point was that the quadders take all this flak when the real and greatest damage is caused by industry. OHVers are the sacrificial lambs.

 

[imdoo'n]

My point was that the quadders take all this flak when the real and greatest damage is caused by industry. OHVers are the sacrificial lambs.

they are an easy target

 

[imdoo'n]

I would say there sure are a lot of ohv enthusiasts who don't vote, seeing as how I've been told 20% of the alberta population is an ohv owner! lol.


all kidding aside, sled'ers and atv'ers need to get off there collective butt's and join a club, a hundred names means a lot more than one. usually! lol.

 

[lilduke]

My point was that the quadders take all this flak when the real and greatest damage is caused by industry. OHVers are the sacrificial lambs.

My point is the greenies want our industries shut down too. So maybe lets not throw too many stones at them cause I need a job more than I need to go quadding or sledding.

 

[Zrock]

I would say there sure are a lot of ohv enthusiasts who don't vote, seeing as how I've been told 20% of the alberta population is an ohv enthusiast! lol.


all kidding aside, sled'ers and atv'ers need to get off there collective butt's and join a club, a hundred names means a lot more than one. usually! lol.

Exactly without clubs you really have nothing to fight with. Clubs work together and come together as 1 voice. Gov will take a well organized club more seriously then the same amount of people individually. Once you get organized and start talking to your local gov you will actually be surprised that their is money set aside every year for clubs to work with on trail improvements.
Just because you join a local club does not mean you all have to ride the same trail and do the same thing. It just means you are all working for the same thing

 

[WarrenG]

Yeah I agree but the NDP seem like they aren't too concerned with all of us who rely on industry and pay a huge amount in taxes into their coffers.

 

[imdoo'n]

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