Fifth estate busts GM over faulty ignition switches

[niner]

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/business/f...linked-to-2nd-crash-death-in-canada-1.2807904

 

[tex78]

I'm a g.m tech, 90% of the problems is all the keys, fobs, ect hanging from the key in the cylinder

Dodge now has the same recall on umpteen makes and models for the same thing

Also all the old parts where made on Mexico and would say that the company that made it for g.m is more so at fault

 

[pfi572]

Was approved by GM before it was installed so that's not going wash ?
Just saying .

 

[niner]

Why would GM change the part but not part number? Seems like they are trying to hide that made a mistake? There are a lot of these vehicles still on the road, as the vehicles get older the drivers will get younger as that is what they can afford to drive. When young people get in accidents it gets blamed on in expierance.

 

[tex78]

But sounds like it never had issues on newer cars ( like a 06 in 07) .... So as the switch wears some.... Probably was fine when new

Also the switch is not like older switches.... It's out puts through serial data and can bus data to other modules

Not like older ones with power in and out

Switch sends signals.... Just like the dodge win module for keys thats on recall to for the exact same issue

But u don't hear about it now do ya

Reason I know is my wife's van has the recall and have been waiting for it to come on a slow boat from China

 

[Riverjet]

What is the other 10%? The weak detent per chance? The detent GM had changed and never told anyone? Therefore preventing them from being sued for all the deaths and injuries. GM knew exactly what the issue was and buried it. People died because of it.

I'm a g.m tech, 90% of the problems is all the keys, fobs, ect hanging from the key in the cylinder

Dodge now has the same recall on umpteen makes and models for the same thing

Also all the old parts where made on Mexico and would say that the company that made it for g.m is more so at fault

 

[007sevens]

What is the other 10%? The weak detent per chance? The detent GM had changed and never told anyone? Therefore preventing them from being sued for all the deaths and injuries. GM knew exactly what the issue was and buried it. People died because of it.

I agree, They can't afford the lawsuit so fix the problem and hope nobody figures it out. After all who would look at the detent. If it wasn't for the french kids airbags not deploying they maybe wouldn't have found the exact problem.

 

[007sevens]

We own a GM and Dodge same 2012 year. The GM has gone in for more recalls on some many things across the board that it makes me wonder if they are trying to make right before the storm hits. The Dodge on the other hand has had one recall and it wasn't that big of a deal if you ask me.

 

[pistoncontracting]

I'm a g.m tech, 90% of the problems is all the keys, fobs, ect hanging from the key in the cylinder

Dodge now has the same recall on umpteen makes and models for the same thing

Also all the old parts where made on Mexico and would say that the company that made it for g.m is more so at fault

Nice try. Key chains are no heavier then they used to be.

GM doesn't need to make a decent product anymore because vehicle sales aren't what keeps the company going.

 

[tex78]

Nice try. Key chains are no heavier then they used to be.

GM doesn't need to make a decent product anymore because vehicle sales aren't what keeps the company going.

No I'm 100% serious.... The amount of crap people have on the key ring nowadays is nuts.... Not very many people have one and one fob on....


U add a extra command start fob, house keys ect.... All that hangs off the lock cylinder


I've had a truck that every bump it would shut off, not a small bump but a good one

Took all the stuff off and never did it again...

 

[medler]

I agree Tex. Some people got 20 keys hanging off the ring. Flopping around. Not saying that's the problem but it doesn't do the cylinder any good . Then more garbage hanging off the rear view mirror and the gear shifter. Drives me nuts

 

[takethebounce]

Come on now. Let's get serious All this obviously wouldn't ever lead to an ignition switch wearing out.




No, it is not mine. I do see lots like it though.


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[Cat401]

No I'm 100% serious.... The amount of crap people have on the key ring nowadays is nuts.... Not very many people have one and one fob on....


U add a extra command start fob, house keys ect.... All that hangs off the lock cylinder


I've had a truck that every bump it would shut off, not a small bump but a good one

Took all the stuff off and never did it again...

I just watched the whole show on 5th Estate...Tex, you may have a point but there IS a problem with those ignition switches, people have been killed because of it. It was discovered by GM 10 years ago, they tried to hide it by making a secret change to it, they continued to deny the problem but once they were caught and the facts were proved....they fired 15 employees.....its disgusting to see the neglect of GM in this case. And equally disgusted at the lack of action of Transport Canada.

 

[sumx54]

Someone's drank there fair share of chevro-laid in here...

 

[tex78]

I just watched the whole show on 5th Estate...Tex, you may have a point but there IS a problem with those ignition switches, people have been killed because of it. It was discovered by GM 10 years ago, they tried to hide it by making a secret change to it, they continued to deny the problem but once they were caught and the facts were proved....they fired 15 employees.....its disgusting to see the neglect of GM in this case. And equally disgusted at the lack of action of Transport Canada.

I'm not saying g.m did or didn't know before and kept there yap shut ect...


Just saying that from what I can see, doing the recalls and changing the parts out, that the above key ring is close to a lot of peoples...

Every single one the lock cylinder jammed and couldn't get key out had umpteen keys and crap on it

 

[Cat401]

Someone's drank there fair share of chevro-laid in here...

are you directing your comment me?

 

[fidorama]

I agree, ignition switches do wear out when loaded with all sorts of crap. that's a given, but I guess this is not a typical wear and tear issue. I saw the show the other day, and they dug up an astonishing amount of info on this issue. what I found most shocking was the actual dollar figure they had worked out for the cost of a human life, and how they figured it cheaper to just shut up and pay out lawsuits than to do a recall and fix the problem.... Wow that sure says a lot about corporate greed now doesn't it?

 

[DRD]

It says a lot about everyone's greed, I know I like my stocks and RRSP's to do well. Sad thing is they would have been fiscally punished by a recall vs rewarded for doing the right thing.

 

[fidorama]

sometimes doing the right thing is not always the best for business, but when its a safety issue, putting peoples lives on the line, there really should be no question.

Perhaps the people involved in this cover up should also be driving the vehicles they helped create, or are all their lives worth more than the rest of us?

 

[X-Treme]

If its all caused by too much chit on peoples keychains, why is it not happening on ALL vehicles? I agree that it's a contributing factor, but certainly not even close to the major cause.