Ethanol in all Alberta fuel as of April 1st?

[hypnotoad]

Shell V-Power 91 is Top Tier Gas and has no ethanol.

so shell has no intent of adding ethanol to their priemium than?

 

[imdoo'n]

Ive done a little research and from what ive found:

Gotten mixed results on good or bad part for engine.

Theres 10% ethanol in fuel now, and the ethanol in the fuel robs you of 10 - 15% of the milage youd normally be getting with out it in the fuel.

The increased use of ethanol as a fuel is driving up food prices, because its made of corn, and drives up price of livestock in the united states because cattle in the us is corn fed.



Personally I think that were all screwed no matter what we develop for fuel from now on. Ethanol = higher foodprices Electric = Undeveloped and short ranges

Dont know too much about hydrogen, but I think that the oil sands is the stupidest thing we could have done. I enjoy snowmobiles and motor sports, but theres got too be another technology we can use for fuel. I think its bull$#!T that were paying what we are for petroleum products. Plastic, rubber, etc is not only harmful to the enviroment because of the oil, but posed health risks with leeching into our foods and drinking water. Bottom line oil = bad.

then do not use these products, if you do, you are the problem
please refrain about posting this useless nonesense.
if you drive a car, truck, sled, heat your house, own a house, take public transportation, buy your food at any grocery store etc etc. you are part of the problem and always will be. give your head a shake. put the pipe down, refrain from any more stupid posts please. go back to greenie land. wheather you like it or not fossil fuels run our lives.

 

[what_next]

please refrain about posting this useless nonesense.
if you drive a car, truck, sled, heat your house, own a house, take public transportation, buy your food at any grocery store etc etc. you are part of the problem and always will be. give your head a shake. put the pipe down, refrain from any more stupid posts please. go back to greenie land. wheather you like it or not fossil fuels run our lives.

One person's opinion doesn't make it useless none sense or stupid

If you can't respect peoples point of view and just debate your point of view with or without back up...... stop posting... simple

so far you've done neither

 

[Dynamic]

So far I havn't noticed any mileage decrease in my car yet, drive about 1000kms a week.

 

[what_next]

So far I havn't noticed any mileage decrease in my car yet, drive about 1000kms a week.

what percentage of ethanol though... 10% wont do anything drastic

 

[BrownEyes420]

I heard the ethnol is bad for sleds. Does anyone know more about this?

 

[Snowdin]

Cons of ethanol fuel

There are some people who argue that there are number of problems in using ethanol fuel that overshadow its benefits.
By using this ethanol fuel there is a reduction in the efficiency of engines and corrosion of engines which permanently damages the vehicle.
Boaters also face the same problem by using ethanol fuel such as fiberglass fuel tank corrosion, blocking of the filters that increases contamination of the surrounding waters.
Researchers are still divided over the claims of reduced emission levels in cars versus gasoline. They argue that ethanol fuel is less polluting and reduce smog-forming emissions than gasoline fuels.
Cost of ethanol fuel is more expensive than other fuels and decreases the mileage a car gives for same number of miles for every gallon.
Ethanol fuel contains about 20-30% less energy than gasoline.
Many scientists question that food crops are used to create fuel when majority of world population, specially undeveloped countries still face a shortage of food.

The one that I high lighted in bold is my favorite argument towards the folks who think Alberta's oil is dirty. Oil provides energy and ethanol comes from food. Come on people it's a no brain-er.

 

[tex78]

ound like every gasoline seller has to have the % of eth in it... weather is shell or petro ect.....

it sucks balls tho....

 

[youngpolarisguy]

In my opinion they cant up the ethonal at all pumps, most the vehicels on the road cant run any thing more than the 10% thats in there now. There is a reason new vehicles come equiped to run e85(note the sticker on the back). The whole fuel system has to be equip to handle the corosive properties of the ethonal. we spent a whole day on this chit a nait, and it aint gonna happen till everything pre 2008/09 is off the road. The 10% you get here in alberta wont effect anything nor will it hurt fuel economy but go to a station that sell e85 and fill up you will notice a less km to a tank. Ethonal has A lower thermal efficiency than regular gasoline so there for it takes more ethonal fuel to prduce the same amount of power as gasoline. And foxrider has a point as ethonal consumption incresses the the demand for ethonal producing plants goes up. As that incresses the demand for land to grow said plants incresses, then the price of all food goes up to compete the rising cost. Right or not this is what they teach at nait.

 

[what_next]

In my opinion they cant up the ethonal at all pumps, most the vehicels on the road cant run any thing more than the 10% thats in there now. There is a reason new vehicles come equiped to run e85(note the sticker on the back). The whole fuel system has to be equip to handle the corosive properties of the ethonal. we spent a whole day on this chit a nait, and it aint gonna happen till everything pre 2008/09 is off the road. The 10% you get here in alberta wont effect anything nor will it hurt fuel economy but go to a station that sell e85 and fill up you will notice a less km to a tank. Ethonal has A lower thermal efficiency than regular gasoline so there for it takes more ethonal fuel to prduce the same amount of power as gasoline. And foxrider has a point as ethonal consumption incresses the the demand for ethonal producing plants goes up. As that incresses the demand for land to grow said plants incresses, then the price of all food goes up to compete the rising cost. Right or not this is what they teach at nait.

these are facts

so far we have all been regurgitating the same information about it.... where are the tree huggers at in this place
we need an ACTUAL debate haha

 

[Snowdin]

- Ethanol has about 1/3 less energy density than gasoline
- Not many cars and trucks are configured to burn ethanol
- Many vehicles made to burn E85 still get lower fuel economy
- Fuel economy is reduced considerably in other vehicles too
- More ethanol is required to go the same distance as gasoline
- Increased ethanol use in the US has doubled the price of corn
- Corn prices have risen in other countries as well
- Higher corn prices led to riots in Mexico
- There will likely never be enough ethanol produced to provide more than
about 12% of transport needs anyway
- Replacing just 5% of transport fuel with ethanol in the USA alone would
require 21% of crop land!
- If all of the vehicles in the USA were to be ethanol powered, it would take
97% of all the land in the country to produce the fuel!
- Ethanol increases ozone forming emissions on hot days by up to 70%
- Burning ethanol has been shown to double ozone-forming NOx emissions
- Ethanol increases two carcinogens - formaldehyde and acetaldehyde
- Ethanol plants themselves emit tons of air pollution
- Ethanol production strains water resources in places: It takes 3-6 gallons of water
to make just one gallon of ethanol

 

[youngpolarisguy]

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- Higher corn prices led to riots in Mexico

Never thought of that. Them Mexicans do need their corn. Anyway in the end ethanol = bad. Gasoline = good.

 

[skegpro]

- Ethanol has about 1/3 less energy density than gasoline
- Not many cars and trucks are configured to burn ethanol
- Many vehicles made to burn E85 still get lower fuel economy
- Fuel economy is reduced considerably in other vehicles too
- More ethanol is required to go the same distance as gasoline
- Increased ethanol use in the US has doubled the price of corn
- Corn prices have risen in other countries as well
- Higher corn prices led to riots in Mexico
- There will likely never be enough ethanol produced to provide more than
about 12% of transport needs anyway
- Replacing just 5% of transport fuel with ethanol in the USA alone would
require 21% of crop land!
- If all of the vehicles in the USA were to be ethanol powered, it would take
97% of all the land in the country to produce the fuel!
- Ethanol increases ozone forming emissions on hot days by up to 70%
- Burning ethanol has been shown to double ozone-forming NOx emissions
- Ethanol increases two carcinogens - formaldehyde and acetaldehyde
- Ethanol plants themselves emit tons of air pollution
- Ethanol production strains water resources in places: It takes 3-6 gallons of water
to make just one gallon of ethanol

-all that Corn does consume alot of Co2 and produces lots of O2.....on the plus side.
- but I still prefer to burn them dinosaurs as they burn hotter....haha

 

[imdoo'n]

One person's opinion doesn't make it useless none sense or stupid

If you can't respect peoples point of view and just debate your point of view with or without back up...... stop posting... simple

so far you've done neither

i beg to differ, you are posting more of the same. please stop, get the facts, not hearsay.

 

[Puba]

Hugh petro put up notice that they were not switching to ethanol at all

So Hugh's will be the only place to get non-ethanol fuels???

If you read the notice it was only for their PREMIUM fuel, lower grades will have ethanol in them.

A couple of other providers are now considering the same thing as Hugh's has in an attempt to get the large crowd of people that don't want to run ethanol and still have a high grade performance fuel without adding other additives etc etc etc.

Who ever doe's this has my business :d

 

[RMK Junky]

Filled up at Co-op today and their premium will not contain ethanol. Only reg and mid grade fuels will. This was implemented on April 05/11 :d Still, both sleds and 2 cans were $131. But ya gotta love it to survive

 

[Rockwerx]

The oil companys will benefit greatly with this kind of legislation. They make fertilizer from oil that would be used to help crops grow. In my mind's eye it is like the cat chasing it's tail. Take oil, make fertilizer, grow crops to make oil (not all fuel crops are to make ethanol)...something is very wrong with this picture!

 

[Bullseye]

Shell V-Power 91 is Top Tier Gas and has no ethanol.

Yeah, theres a sign at my local Shell that states Shell V-Power has no ethanol BUT the Silver(mid-grade) and the Bronze (lowest grade) made contain ethanol.

 

[CuteMustangBaby]

After Panicking about my vehicle and this ethanol issue, I have done some leg work and found this out so far. The diesel fuel, low grade and mid grade have ALL added ethanol now. The premium fuel from the Shell and Esso Refineries has NO ethanol due to things such as bikes, mowers, sleds and such NOT being able to run Ethanol. Petro Canada premium is still unknown at this time.

Unfortunately it was not required by the gas stations to announce the Alberta governments plans. I actually spotted this notice at hughes gas station, and spoke to someone from head office this morning (they use shell fuel). I hope that my post will help someone out. :d

 

[Summiteer]

Another problem with this plan is that ethanol production is scarce in Canada, dude on the radio yesterday said that according to Transport Canada numbers, up to 90% of ethanol needed will have to be imported. Another well thought through piece of legislation.