Depends what turbo kit your comparing? MPI/yamaha, mcx, boost it? Ive ridden most viper,apex and nytro kits and my boost it kit to me had hands down the best throttle response be great to compare with the sindwinder side by side at same boost levels..
Differences between viper and sidewinder
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Depends what turbo kit your comparing? MPI/yamaha, mcx, boost it? Ive ridden most viper,apex and nytro kits and my boost it kit to me had hands down the best throttle response be great to compare with the sindwinder side by side at same boost levels..
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The boost -it viper has amazing throttle reponse,they dont chage compression so its no diff than a stock sled,dout the sidewinder is better.
As oil spill just put a roll over valve & no issues.
As oil spill just put a roll over valve & no issues.
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What is the difference in the steering geometry between the viper and sidewinder? I have a 2014 with a ZBROZ narrowed front end. but no change to the geometry of the front spindles. I know people were changing to the newer viper front end, which changed the angle of the front spindles. Is there any difference between the 2017 sidewinder front steering setup and the 2017 viper front steering? If so can a person upgrade the viper to this setup?
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95% of throttle response with a turbo is related to the plumbing of the system and not so much head shimming.
Sleds with rear mount are a lot more prone to slower or spool up time then a front mount.
No matter what system is used, you can virtually eliminate almost all lag by using the proper size turbo and mounting it as close as possible to the piston crowns.
Using an exhaust manifold with a straight direct short path to the turbine and wrapped to keep heat in and a short direct exhaust outlet like a tunnel dump is going to be the best setup to eliminate lag time.
A lot of kits out there have long plumbing locating the turbo far from the pistons, the advantage of this is heat elimination but throttle response can in certain situation be an issue.
The Sidewinder set up suits this because Yamaha does exactly that by using a cast iron manifold that will hold heat and having the turbo mounted fairly close to the pistons. Throttle lag is almost non existing.
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I've got a couple hundred km on the SW and will say throttle response is one of the best features of it factory turbo is seamless I'm pretty happy with it. Have spent small amount of time on viper I'd say they are similar of course bigger kits will destroy a factory SW but wait till power ups start hitting the hills on them. I can't wait for more ass time on it myself also impressed with Yamaha cat for putting out something first year without piles of issues. I'm never a fan of first year sleds as seen in the 850's you roll the dice some win some lose.
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I bought a few 1st year Yamaha's and never been disappointed. Can't say that about other 1st year models i've bought. Yamaha has always put out high quality and well tested sleds. The Sidewinder was tested for 3yrs before release, i had been told about it back in 2013/14 season to hold on to my Nytro that there is something in the works at Yamaha and that the Viper was just a temporary stepping stone to keep loyalist with Yamaha. Yamaha also thinks of real world uses. Yes its nice to have something lightweight and call your self a leader in sled tech. imo that works in theory. In real world uses, sometimes not so much.
When you buy a Yamaha, my experience has been you will ride it almost guaranteed for the next 5 years, major issue free. No one else can claim that....CONSISTENTLY.
If your the type that replaces every year or 2, then it don't matter.
In the long run again my experience has been, they are slightly more expensive to buy new but at the end of its term its a cheaper sled to own with way less head aches. Warranty claims and trips to the dealer are a pain. One thing people don't do is ask to see the warranty book at their dealer. Certain makes the warranty book is HUGE or the dealer won't show it. Ask at Yamaha, that is not the case.
I was told once that Yamaha builds their sleds a little heavier because, while the competition has a reputation on having their hoods open while WE ride. At the end of the day we can't leave anyone on the mountain, so we need to tow them out no matter what.
When you buy a Yamaha, my experience has been you will ride it almost guaranteed for the next 5 years, major issue free. No one else can claim that....CONSISTENTLY.
If your the type that replaces every year or 2, then it don't matter.
In the long run again my experience has been, they are slightly more expensive to buy new but at the end of its term its a cheaper sled to own with way less head aches. Warranty claims and trips to the dealer are a pain. One thing people don't do is ask to see the warranty book at their dealer. Certain makes the warranty book is HUGE or the dealer won't show it. Ask at Yamaha, that is not the case.
I was told once that Yamaha builds their sleds a little heavier because, while the competition has a reputation on having their hoods open while WE ride. At the end of the day we can't leave anyone on the mountain, so we need to tow them out no matter what.
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Its a Cat M8, how can you go wrong??? There is a reason we don't see mega problem threads with the M8.
I guess so, there isn't a twenty page thread on them
Resale on Yamaha sleds is terrible, can't give them away it seems, even before the Sidewinder came out. Hopefully this changes that, something that increases their popularity in the mountain.
Always loved Yamaha, have a dirt bike and quad from them, always a two above others.
Always loved Yamaha, have a dirt bike and quad from them, always a two above others.
Lund
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True in some ways, it depends where you sell it. In BC they hold their value better.
Plus it also evens out, running any 2stroke your most likely going to lose money on major repairs sooner then later. Plus maybe get towed out and lose riding time. Very unlikely on a Yamaha.
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My 16 just blew up but buddy is willing to trade on my 15 so meeting Friday gonna make sure it's tight and make the trade will report my findings after some seat time in a variety of terain and conditions thank you to all for the feedback it is appreciated I think if your a competint Sledder and are fit it will be a good trade only one way to find out....
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More info on the 16 please was it boosted if so how much? Was it the rod failure like the others have been that year?
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Top end let go 1750km bottom end is good not boosted thank god or the engine would be on my dime
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So saposed to be swapping tomorrow call buddy today asking for vin for insurance and a lean check all of a sudden there's issues.... Looks like I'm gonna have to sell a doo and visit my local yammy dealer
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bigfish
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lol i have built 1 or 2 turbo yammies over the years with most every kit out there,i know how they work
iam in no way knocking the sidewinder,great to see yammi finally built it.
higher compression makes more power & helps with throttle responce,yes a short header helps & so does a smaller turbo & keeping the header the right temp.
unless you put a bigger turbo & water to air on it, its not going to be close between the 2,it mite pull a little off the line after that its all over.
know i havnt got a chance on the sidewinder so i cant say on the ridability,a little better on off throttle responce can help that so we will see,i would love to try one.
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I see a few different numbers out there for the new sidewinder.
Does anyone have the actual hp number for a stock sidewinder?
Thanks
Does anyone have the actual hp number for a stock sidewinder?
Thanks
Lund
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Does it honestly matter, i doubt anyone would actually notice a difference of 5-10hp on a 4stroke. On a 2stroke yes you would.
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