Diesel in a 1/2 ton - 2014 Ram 1500

[Highfly]

That's what I said, conserving fuel is a good thing.

What i'm saying is they cant.... they pretty much get what they get.

 

[Mikew5j]

I can understand Ford not having any plans to go diesel with the Eco, but looks like Chevy doesn't have any plans either. At least for now.

Ford, Chevy and Toyota: No Plans for Diesel Half-Tons | AutoGuide.com News

 

[magnet]

Well said. I would never go back to gas either. And I'll use my jacked up diesel in any way I want, even if it means getting groceries.

And if truckers are worried about diesel rationing, maybe some of them should slow down to conserve fuel. That way they aren't riding everyone's ass down a hill or turned over in the ditch on a mountain road. Seems I see one nearly every trip into the hills.

The Ecoboosts are ok when unloaded, but a diesel will out pull it and get better fuel economy with a full load on.

So what are the benifit a if your diesel over a gas, as I am sure you don't haul anything but your single sled on s deck all winter to ride it the two times you actually Go anywhere, even though it sits there all year. Could it be the worse fuel mileage, when empty, drove them all and empty they don't even get close to my 5.4 that's a pig and the new gas are better than it for mileage, higher operating costs, higher purchase cost, higher maintenance costs, more frequent oil change intervals.
I was looking at changing to a diesel, as I haul my holiday trailer every weekend in the summer, 33ft bumper with 2 slides and my 4 place sled trailer in winter , but just cannot se it being cost effective. Test drove the big three so to speak all three had horrible fuel mileage compared to my gas. Ride was horrible on all as I would go to a1 ton if I was to change as you can't haul two sleds on a deck legally with a 3/4 ton with the big cab then I figured in oil change cost doubling ish over my gas fuel cost add another 10% for actual cost then another 10% for higher consumption and to get a comparably loaded truck to what I have now would be a 70g plus unit
Diesel just not as good of an option as they used to be gas gets the same or better mileage and cost to run is wayyy less


As for the comment about truckers being worried about fuel
You don't think they are at best these new units are getting 5-6 mpg empty. Every 1/4 mpg they can save they do. When was the last time you pulled up to a pump and dropped a g note just you could go to work that day and hopefully not break down or damage anything just so you can do it again tomorrow morning.
Remember regardless of how some of them drive "EVERYTHING" you consume in any way was on a truck at one point in its life cycle to get to you.

 

[hbar218]

So what are the benifit a if your diesel over a gas, as I am sure you don't haul anything but your single sled on s deck all winter to ride it the two times you actually Go anywhere, even though it sits there all year. Could it be the worse fuel mileage, when empty, drove them all and empty they don't even get close to my 5.4 that's a pig and the new gas are better than it for mileage, higher operating costs, higher purchase cost, higher maintenance costs, more frequent oil change intervals.
I was looking at changing to a diesel, as I haul my holiday trailer every weekend in the summer, 33ft bumper with 2 slides and my 4 place sled trailer in winter , but just cannot se it being cost effective. Test drove the big three so to speak all three had horrible fuel mileage compared to my gas. Ride was horrible on all as I would go to a1 ton if I was to change as you can't haul two sleds on a deck legally with a 3/4 ton with the big cab then I figured in oil change cost doubling ish over my gas fuel cost add another 10% for actual cost then another 10% for higher consumption and to get a comparably loaded truck to what I have now would be a 70g plus unit
Diesel just not as good of an option as they used to be gas gets the same or better mileage and cost to run is wayyy less


As for the comment about truckers being worried about fuel
You don't think they are at best these new units are getting 5-6 mpg empty. Every 1/4 mpg they can save they do. When was the last time you pulled up to a pump and dropped a g note just you could go to work that day and hopefully not break down or damage anything just so you can do it again tomorrow morning.
Remember regardless of how some of them drive "EVERYTHING" you consume in any way was on a truck at one point in its life cycle to get to you.

After 2 or 3 years put a gasser up for sale versus a diesel. I bet the diesel sells for way more $$$.

 

[magnet]

After 2 or 3 years put a gasser up for sale versus a diesel. I bet the diesel sells for way more $$$.

It better, seriously you paid 10k more for it so I would hope you get the 5-10 back out of it.

 

[Highfly]

I have contemplated going diesel many times but for the amount I tow, how long i keep my trucks and the extra costs for me it's not worth it. I think once long ago it made sense to go diesel as a cost savings but not anymore.
With $10,000 extra on the sticker price and at $100.00 to fill my gas tank up thats 100 tanks of gas. Say a tank a week, so 52 weeks in a year thats almost 2 years worth of gas just in the extra price of the truck. I keep my trucks for 3 years so staying gas pays me for 2 out of 3 years.
Now if I was towing A LOT then it's a no brainer. They do get better fuel mileage (than a gas engine) towing and you can not deny the torque. My neighbor and I went to Edmonton both towing a two sled trailer. He used 15 liters less than I did. So in this case the diesel will gain you back some. But then the extra costs to maintain will offset that and lets not forget the $10,000 extra in purchase price..
The long lasting aspect of a diesel does not compute for me either. My last gas truck I had over 300,000 kms on it. It was the 4.8 V8. I was hard as hell on that truck pulling what ever I needed to pull, it hung in there. All the issues I had with that truck at the end were none drive line related so issues a diesel would also have. If you run the mileage way up there on a diesel and have to replace the injectors, turbo or fuel injector pump... OUCH again open your wallet.
With this new V6 diesel IF it is not intended to be towing and the sticker price is reasonable then I can totally see the logistics and it makes sence..... But having said that go price out a hybrid and the sticker prices on them. One way or another they are going to get you $$$$$. When the first hybrids came out (I'm not sure if this applies any more) but the batteries were estimated to last 4-5 years and that cost to replace that battery was crazy expensive so all that you saved on gas when back into a battery. You did nothing more than save the environment which is cool but people were looking at hybrids as a cost saving.... they aren't, or weren't. Maybe this has changed?

 

[tstams]

So what are the benifit a if your diesel over a gas, as I am sure you don't haul anything but your single sled on s deck all winter to ride it the two times you actually Go anywhere, even though it sits there all year. Could it be the worse fuel mileage, when empty, drove them all and empty they don't even get close to my 5.4 that's a pig and the new gas are better than it for mileage, higher operating costs, higher purchase cost, higher maintenance costs, more frequent oil change intervals.
I was looking at changing to a diesel, as I haul my holiday trailer every weekend in the summer, 33ft bumper with 2 slides and my 4 place sled trailer in winter , but just cannot se it being cost effective. Test drove the big three so to speak all three had horrible fuel mileage compared to my gas. Ride was horrible on all as I would go to a1 ton if I was to change as you can't haul two sleds on a deck legally with a 3/4 ton with the big cab then I figured in oil change cost doubling ish over my gas fuel cost add another 10% for actual cost then another 10% for higher consumption and to get a comparably loaded truck to what I have now would be a 70g plus unit
Diesel just not as good of an option as they used to be gas gets the same or better mileage and cost to run is wayyy less


As for the comment about truckers being worried about fuel
You don't think they are at best these new units are getting 5-6 mpg empty. Every 1/4 mpg they can save they do. When was the last time you pulled up to a pump and dropped a g note just you could go to work that day and hopefully not break down or damage anything just so you can do it again tomorrow morning.
Remember regardless of how some of them drive "EVERYTHING" you consume in any way was on a truck at one point in its life cycle to get to you.

Actually you can haul two sleds with a mega cab dodge 2500, I do it every weekend legally. And I drive my diesel everywhere because of the simple fact I enjoy it, so why should anybody tell me I shouldn't do it. I know people that drive $150,000 Bentleys in winter because they are all wheel drive, yes I think its completely ridiculous but who am I to tell them its not right!

 

[magnet]

Actually you can haul two sleds with a mega cab dodge 2500, I do it every weekend legally. And I drive my diesel everywhere because of the simple fact I enjoy it, so why should anybody tell me I shouldn't do it. I know people that drive $150,000 Bentleys in winter because they are all wheel drive, yes I think its completely ridiculous but who am I to tell them its not right!

Mathematically it's not possible or your so close that if you have an extra cheeseburger at lunch you'll be over
Was just sayin in a half ton a diesel is useless and a 3/4 is just a useless truck IMO as you deal with the chit try ride of a 1 ton and the haul capacity only slightly better than a half ton

 

[tstams]

So what are the benifit a if your diesel over a gas, as I am sure you don't haul anything but your single sled on s deck all winter to ride it the two times you actually Go anywhere, even though it sits there all year. Could it be the worse fuel mileage, when empty, drove them all and empty they don't even get close to my 5.4 that's a pig and the new gas are better than it for mileage, higher operating costs, higher purchase cost, higher maintenance costs, more frequent oil change intervals.
I was looking at changing to a diesel, as I haul my holiday trailer every weekend in the summer, 33ft bumper with 2 slides and my 4 place sled trailer in winter , but just cannot se it being cost effective. Test drove the big three so to speak all three had horrible fuel mileage compared to my gas. Ride was horrible on all as I would go to a1 ton if I was to change as you can't haul two sleds on a deck legally with a 3/4 ton with the big cab then I figured in oil change cost doubling ish over my gas fuel cost add another 10% for actual cost then another 10% for higher consumption and to get a comparably loaded truck to what I have now would be a 70g plus unit
Diesel just not as good of an option as they used to be gas gets the same or better mileage and cost to run is wayyy less


As for the comment about truckers being worried about fuel
You don't think they are at best these new units are getting 5-6 mpg empty. Every 1/4 mpg they can save they do. When was the last time you pulled up to a pump and dropped a g note just you could go to work that day and hopefully not break down or damage anything just so you can do it again tomorrow morning.
Remember regardless of how some of them drive "EVERYTHING" you consume in any way was on a truck at one point in its life cycle to get to you.

So your the guy with the gas truck that doesn't have enough power to pull his trailer through the mountains, yes your trucks rated for it but when you cant keep a consistant speed up with a trailer and causing a backup of traffic behind you it becomes dangerous and frustrating, that's where you see the guy/girl pulling a identical trailer with a diesel passing you and shaking his/hers head because you have this nice trailer but you don't have the proper truck to pull it. I see it every weekend I go riding guys pulling enclosed sled trailers with gassers doing 80 in a 100 zone making me passing them and also all the people that are two scared to pass, which is dangerous because everyone thinks there ford ecoboost,5.0 dodge hemi 5.7 chev 5.3, all half tons can pull these heavy trailers because they say they can within there specs.

 

[Highfly]

So your the guy with the gas truck that doesn't have enough power to pull his trailer through the mountains, yes your trucks rated for it but when you cant keep a consistant speed up with a trailer and causing a backup of traffic behind you it becomes dangerous and frustrating, that's where you see the guy/girl pulling a identical trailer with a diesel passing you and shaking his/hers head because you have this nice trailer but you don't have the proper truck to pull it. I see it every weekend I go riding guys pulling enclosed sled trailers with gassers doing 80 in a 100 zone making me passing them and also all the people that are two scared to pass, which is dangerous because everyone thinks there ford ecoboost,5.0 dodge hemi 5.7 chev 5.3, all half tons can pull these heavy trailers because they say they can within there specs.

Did you just really go there?
I have the 6.0l and could easily maintain the speed limit while towing but don't because it's safer to reduce the speed while you are traveling with a trailer. It also saves gas........
And I'm sure they "make" you pass them.... Actually you are the guy that gives all of us trailer haulers a bad name buy zinging the traffic just to arrive 2 minutes sooner than they next guy..... I'm guessing you are in your 20's maybe early 30's. One day you will see the light. I was you once.....

 

[tstams]

Haha, yep I am in my 20s my age has nothing to do with my opinion so your telling my its ok for you to do 80 in 100 zone with your trailer because you feel its safer but end up backing up traffic behind you, yep there's the reason there should be a minimal speed limit in so they can enforce it to the people that cant drive the posted speed, if you cant do the speed limit you shouldn't be on the road and if you don't feel safe driving the speed limit with your trailer you shouldn't be driving with one!

 

[Highfly]

Haha, yep I am in my 20s my age has nothing to do with my opinion so your telling my its ok for you to do 80 in 100 zone with your trailer because you feel its safer but end up backing up traffic behind you, yep there's the reason there should be a minimal speed limit in so they can enforce it to the people that cant drive the posted speed, if you cant do the speed limit you shouldn't be on the road and if you don't feel safe driving the speed limit with your trailer you shouldn't be driving with one!

like i said I was like you once.......

 

[somethingnuw]

i just bought a new truck... im one of those guys that love driving a diesel even though i don't "really" need one... keeping the 02 6 speed cause ill never be able to replace it!

What has been missed on this whole post is that we follow crappy Calafornia emmissions controls which are choking and killing diesels... wait till all the companies start running engine checks that can't be reset or deleted to void everyone's warrenty. Everyone talks and loves small diesels in Europe and other contries but they dont follow the same emmissions crap as we do. Or do they??? I believe not...

I am not trying to be a jerk just trying to keep this post on topic. Lets just say if diesels were allowed to run the way they did before 07.5 i'd have bought a new one or be lined up for the 1500 in a second! But their not... im not rich I can't buy a 70k truck and risk deleting the warrenty! I offered many dealers the option to do the deletes on a 2012 cummins and set HP ect... i just wanted an emmisions free truck they all said no they could not... one pointed out that he believed 2013 it would be almost impossible with live up dates from factory doing its checking thing (can't remember how he put it) but it made me realize unless I haul everyday and the truck is working to me diesel is dead!

now im stuck with a 5.0 f150 xlt crew cab 32k taxes in... wishing my 02 cummins was a mega cab for the family...

 

[tmo1620]

So what are the benifit a if your diesel over a gas, as I am sure you don't haul anything but your single sled on s deck all winter to ride it the two times you actually Go anywhere, even though it sits there all year. Could it be the worse fuel mileage, when empty, drove them all and empty they don't even get close to my 5.4 that's a pig and the new gas are better than it for mileage, higher operating costs, higher purchase cost, higher maintenance costs, more frequent oil change intervals.
I was looking at changing to a diesel, as I haul my holiday trailer every weekend in the summer, 33ft bumper with 2 slides and my 4 place sled trailer in winter , but just cannot se it being cost effective. Test drove the big three so to speak all three had horrible fuel mileage compared to my gas. Ride was horrible on all as I would go to a1 ton if I was to change as you can't haul two sleds on a deck legally with a 3/4 ton with the big cab then I figured in oil change cost doubling ish over my gas fuel cost add another 10% for actual cost then another 10% for higher consumption and to get a comparably loaded truck to what I have now would be a 70g plus unit
Diesel just not as good of an option as they used to be gas gets the same or better mileage and cost to run is wayyy less


As for the comment about truckers being worried about fuel
You don't think they are at best these new units are getting 5-6 mpg empty. Every 1/4 mpg they can save they do. When was the last time you pulled up to a pump and dropped a g note just you could go to work that day and hopefully not break down or damage anything just so you can do it again tomorrow morning.
Remember regardless of how some of them drive "EVERYTHING" you consume in any way was on a truck at one point in its life cycle to get to you.

The thing u just dont get is that this diesel will be the same price of a new hemi, has super long oil change intervals, will get better mileage, so where in this is this truck 10000 more? You seem super stubborn and stuck on your honda civic of the truck world

 

[magnet]

The thing u just dont get is that this diesel will be the same price of a new hemi, has super long oil change intervals, will get better mileage, so where in this is this truck 10000 more? You seem super stubborn and stuck on your honda civic of the truck world

Really the f150 is the civic highest tow rating of any half ton, legally can tow more than a dodge 3/4 ton hd actual towed weight that is not the gross weight as the diesel is 1800 lbs heavier so the half ton will haul about 200 lbs more. Gets better mileage and rides wayyyyy better than any dodge out there.
I'm not stuck on mines the best but it is the best for what I do. There is no benifit to a diesel in a half ton IMO and that's all I said. The cost is going to be about 10g more it was stated in a post earlier that someone actually checked pricing.
The dodge half ton diesel will come and go just as the Cherokee diesel did

 

[magnet]

Oh a btw hauling my 33 ft bumper pull with my half ton and with my buddies. Dodge dually the mileage was 1L/100km different so not really worth the extra 10 g

 

[the_real_wild1]

It is hard to know if the smaller diesel will be any good. It would be great if it did not have emission stuff on it. That is what is killing the diesels big time as mentioned. But if they do it right then they will have a crapload of sales. The mileage out of them can kick the crap out of any gas engine out there in a pickup. Whether or not they can do it and meet emissions is another story.

 

[Little]

Really the f150 is the civic highest tow rating of any half ton, legally can tow more than a dodge 3/4 ton hd actual towed weight that is not the gross weight as the diesel is 1800 lbs heavier so the half ton will haul about 200 lbs more. Gets better mileage and rides wayyyyy better than any dodge out there.
I'm not stuck on mines the best but it is the best for what I do. There is no benifit to a diesel in a half ton IMO and that's all I said. The cost is going to be about 10g more it was stated in a post earlier that someone actually checked pricing.
The dodge half ton diesel will come and go just as the Cherokee diesel did

While I agree that this V6 will go the way of the dodo bird you can't seriously think you will tow a 33ft. trailer as well as any Dodge with a 5.9. If you push that gasser to the sme level as a 5.9 your spark plugs will pop out of the head, you will devour gas at rates never seen by the 5.9. I had a 2006 f150 POS. Dealer read me the same BS script you are touting. Absolute bullsh!t. Ride, noise level and empty handling favor the 150. That's where it ends. If your Dodge buddy story is true, he needs to get that thing into a shop. I doubt you would make these statements if you had ridden in a Dodge towing a loaded trailer.

As a PS, a Dodge diesel can be had for about $3500 more than the gas, and it doesn't weigh 1800 lb. more. Just the facts.

 

[Highfly]

As a PS, a Dodge diesel can be had for about $3500 more than the gas, and it doesn't weigh 1800 lb. more. Just the facts.

At what trim level....... At certain times of year you can get $10,000 off on a GMC or Chevy....so I guess the diesel is free......

 

[tmo1620]

Sometimes all I can do is shake my head