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Cat and Polaris scooping up Doo disgruntled customers.
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LennyR
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Mountain specific skid frame, Hahahaha. LOL?
LBZ
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While I haven’t been a victim of doo denied warranty or piss poor engineering the last couple years have made me leary of buying a new one. I really am going to be watching this year to see how the alpha and patriots hold up and if doo really fixed their issues.
As for dealers I’m kinda dicked on all fronts as the local cat dealer sucks. The two good doo dealers are both 3-4 hrs away. No idea who sells poo and Yamaha I’m not sure I’m ready for yet.
As for dealers I’m kinda dicked on all fronts as the local cat dealer sucks. The two good doo dealers are both 3-4 hrs away. No idea who sells poo and Yamaha I’m not sure I’m ready for yet.
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Originally Posted by maxwell 
Originally Posted by maxwell
sorry i must have missed something.
what new technology are cat and Polaris developing?
first altitude compensating mountain sled? oh wait nope
first direct injected engine? oh wait nope
first mountain specific skidframe? oh wait nope
first 3" track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 174 inch track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 850cc engine? oh wait nope
first electric start without a battery or starter? oh wait nope
skidoo has always been leading the industry in development. in 2008 and 2017 there were SOME issues. remember the only sleds that have issues your going to hear about that on the internet. no one will say how flawless their machine runs.
if you think the new wobble cat or polaris 849 arent going to have issues your sadly mistaken.
where was polaris with the liberty 800? LOLsorry i must have missed something.
what new technology are cat and Polaris developing?
first altitude compensating mountain sled? oh wait nope
first direct injected engine? oh wait nope
first mountain specific skidframe? oh wait nope
first 3" track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 174 inch track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 850cc engine? oh wait nope
first electric start without a battery or starter? oh wait nope
skidoo has always been leading the industry in development. in 2008 and 2017 there were SOME issues. remember the only sleds that have issues your going to hear about that on the internet. no one will say how flawless their machine runs.
if you think the new wobble cat or polaris 849 arent going to have issues your sadly mistaken.
where was polaris with the liberty 800? LOL
sorry i must have missed something.
what new technology are cat and Polaris developing?
first altitude compensating mountain sled? oh wait nope
first direct injected engine? oh wait nope
first mountain specific skidframe? oh wait nope
first 3" track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 174 inch track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 850cc engine? oh wait nope
first electric start without a battery or starter? oh wait nope
skidoo has always been leading the industry in development. in 2008 and 2017 there were SOME issues. remember the only sleds that have issues your going to hear about that on the internet. no one will say how flawless their machine runs.
if you think the new wobble cat or polaris 849 arent going to have issues your sadly mistaken.
where was polaris with the liberty 800? LOLsorry i must have missed something.
what new technology are cat and Polaris developing?
first altitude compensating mountain sled? oh wait nope
first direct injected engine? oh wait nope
first mountain specific skidframe? oh wait nope
first 3" track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 174 inch track on a mountain sled? oh wait nope
first 850cc engine? oh wait nope
first electric start without a battery or starter? oh wait nope
skidoo has always been leading the industry in development. in 2008 and 2017 there were SOME issues. remember the only sleds that have issues your going to hear about that on the internet. no one will say how flawless their machine runs.
if you think the new wobble cat or polaris 849 arent going to have issues your sadly mistaken.
where was polaris with the liberty 800? LOL
snopro
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Wrong. Yes BRP bought Evinrude for their tech not only for working on a DI system for sleds but also for their marine portfolio. The engineers worked with Evinrude engineers to make this technology transfer over to a snowmobile 2 stroke engine. Marine engines do not run near as close operating rpms as a 2 stroke engine does. There was a lot of work to get injectors to "signal' fuel pulse at a speed that would work on an engine that has an 8000 rpm max. The Rotax engineer gave quite a long presentation on this at the 2011 dealer meeting on how much a challenge it was for Rotax. Evinrude did not hand them that info. They had to work for it.
Teth-Air
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Assuming the manufacturers get it right this year and the sleds perform the way they are supposed to, there are still a few factors remaining that may be out of your control that determine whether you are going to be happy or not with your brand choice.
First is if your sled is the right design for your riding style, strength, age ability etc.
e.g. if you buy a 174 and just trail ride your not likely to like it. Also if you ride sickly deep snow and you often find yourself in tricky situations you will want a sled that is light, powerful and easy to handle as this will give you confidence.
Secondly you need a good dealer close enough to home. I am lucky enough that where I live I do have some choices for this. I could go to at least 2 of the 3 brands and know I would be looked after.
Thirdly is price. I know they are all expensive but $2000 difference between the top of the line brands is significant. This one is always a moving target though because you also must consider trade in values as if you pay more to start, likely you will get more when selling.
My point is the OP is suggesting that Doo is losing customers based on negative experiences and fear. This should not be the way we shop. These OEM's are playing a high stakes game and MUST get it right or fix their mistakes or they will lose even more than the customer. We need to have faith and focus on the positives each brand and how it will enhance the experience.
First is if your sled is the right design for your riding style, strength, age ability etc.
e.g. if you buy a 174 and just trail ride your not likely to like it. Also if you ride sickly deep snow and you often find yourself in tricky situations you will want a sled that is light, powerful and easy to handle as this will give you confidence.
Secondly you need a good dealer close enough to home. I am lucky enough that where I live I do have some choices for this. I could go to at least 2 of the 3 brands and know I would be looked after.
Thirdly is price. I know they are all expensive but $2000 difference between the top of the line brands is significant. This one is always a moving target though because you also must consider trade in values as if you pay more to start, likely you will get more when selling.
My point is the OP is suggesting that Doo is losing customers based on negative experiences and fear. This should not be the way we shop. These OEM's are playing a high stakes game and MUST get it right or fix their mistakes or they will lose even more than the customer. We need to have faith and focus on the positives each brand and how it will enhance the experience.
My apologies, I sit corrected and you are correct.
I never said it was the only reason Doo bought evinrude.
The rest should be OK though.
Doo BOUGHT technology for their fuel injection system as part of evinrude deal - not invented
How many patent infringement suits has BRP lost?????
lol
It was a Maxwell post...........totally 162% unbiased.....
G4s doo fire up the conversations well beyond 162%!!!
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chris79
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My take, I had a 17 G4 2200k 7 belts. So got a 18 hoping for better. 2500k 7 belts. My dealer was A&E and they were beyond good at helping me and dealing with BRP. I really hope they fix it for the 19 guys but I won’t be one of them. They do some things well and others not as. Good in deep snow conditions but won’t side hill in the steep stuff like the other 2 brands. Just my experience and I hope everyone has a wicked season on whatever they get.
west coast
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My dealer in Courtenay is excellent. I only owned cat and polaris before moving here. I hated doo now I drink the dooaid.
vrscr43
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My sled purchasing/riding history
Cat-Cat-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo- Today its a 2018 Mountain Cat
The Cat had some very good reviews so pulled the trigger.
Haven't put a mile on it yet but I wasn't buying a new Doo and kept the XM just in case.
Cat-Cat-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo- Today its a 2018 Mountain Cat
The Cat had some very good reviews so pulled the trigger.
Haven't put a mile on it yet but I wasn't buying a new Doo and kept the XM just in case.
skegpro
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what about the the torsion spring rear end they are still using? Hey Ski Doo...1969 called and wants it suspension technology back. How about a telescoping steering post...oops no Cat did that first. How about a 4 stroke mountain sled? Nope, that was Yamaha. etc etc
example of why ski doo is falling short? Doo offers a rail brace kit right on the build website when you are ordering a sled..geez you think maybe you should just build the rails a little stronger instead of making the customer pay extra for your lack of engineering..like holy sh!t what a fail.....motor alignment issue back on the XP......plus many others. Who builds a sled where you have to remove the suspension, motor and subframe to replace the weakest link that bends? well, the service guys are happy with that I guess.
In the 90's I was a die-hard Doo guy (1996 first stock sled to go over Jackson), but it seems like they went from making good sleds, to making weak sleds with a bunch of fancy gadgets they rushed out before the R&D was done, in the the hopes it would keep customers coming back (and it did for a while). Now that the other players have caught up, Doo's just not that special (maxy and ferniesnow's yellow undies are still a little tight i guess).
mountainsledmania
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In all fairness, polaris and arctic cat have had their long list of fails as well. And we dont even know if this polaris 850 is even gunna be a good reliable engine yet. Arctic cat is still on that terrible terrible chasis. They all have their flaws. doesnt matter which one you buy you need to modify/change/beef up/etc.. Ski doo has bin at the top of the game up until now, so well see what happens with these two new sleds for this year....Hell maybe ill even jump on a pro if the motor is any good, who knows
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Bart, I have had no reason to change my loyalty. I left Poo due to motor issues back in 2004 and I'm not like some who put in 4 motors and still tout the brand! I'm a happy camper with my dealer (Bow Ridge Sports) and my salesman (snopro). Life is good even with tight undies.
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C of Red
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I guess I have tight undies as well. First mountainsled was a 900 RMK, speaking of hunks a sh!t. It was my first and only Polaris. Had XP’s, XM’s and now a G4. All have been great sleds. According to this thread I’m one of only 4 people with such good luck, I guess I should have bought a lotto max ticket.
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MP Kid
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Now I see why you’re so loyal...��. What happened to the boys that moved Mr R to Lethbridge? Snopro’s golden tougne didn’t work there..... even some of his oldest loyal customers have fled his side. Why?
you should walk across the street to Mountain Toys... I’m not even a Poo guy, but I’ve heard they’re decent guys. Is Scott still there running the show?
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In a nut shell, the boy's who moved Mr.R's to Lethbridge were fed up with Corporate BRP and their required building changes. They had a chance to sell and that's what they did. As for snopro and his loyal customers, I'm pretty sure he still has a loyal following. He has treated me quite well for quite a few years now.
If I have a great thing going at Bow Ridge with sales and service why would I walk across the street?
MP Kid
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How would you know it’s great if you’ve never tried?
ferniesnow
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I've been riding sleds since the late 60's so I have seen quite a few dealers/salesmen/service departments and I know what I like. I have also bought a sled from across the street way back in 2002 but that is another story.
