boy oh boy......

[roadlinur113]

Good for Doo, as they say , imitation is the greatest form of flattery, I just am surprised that Doo had the cajones to stand up and admit the direction Polaris was going really was " The Way Out" .

I DOO believe all current sleds just might have copied the original Rev.......enjoy your 800 "skirtdropper"
(normally I don't bash but since you seem so ready to condemn a first year model growing pains I point the Dragon/Pro engines and maybe 2012 Cat chassis and clutching woes.) Point being, things get sorted out eventually and we all get a better product....thanks to those brave people who buy first year models in any brand.

 

[LennyR]

Good for Doo, as they say , imitation is the greatest form of flattery, I just am surprised that Doo had the cajones to stand up and admit the direction Polaris was going really was " The Way Out" .

I DOO believe all current sleds just might have copied the original Rev.......enjoy your 800 "skirtdropper"
(normally I don't bash but since you seem so ready to condemn a first year model growing pains I point the Dragon/Pro engines and maybe 2012 Cat chassis and clutching woes.) Point being, things get sorted out eventually and we all get a better product....thanks to those brave people who buy first year models in any brand.

It's great that you don't bash, (and boring) but you seem a bit deficient in comprehension skills. I agree about the past Poo/Cat/Doo screw ups, too soon to tell if this is another one. Maybe re-read my comments.

 

[Lund]

Actually the the Rev concept was inspired by the original Yamaha Phazer 1984. Arctic Cat took the Phazer design a step further with the 1990 Prowler. Then BRP took that concept to the Rev. with their own innovations. So stating every one fallowed or copied the Rev. isn't really true.
BTW i bought a Yamaha Phazer, first year production in 1984....it was a solid sled and eventually made a reputation for it self. Was also known as the Darthvadder because of its unusual looks.

 

[snopro]

Actually the the Rev concept was inspired by the original Yamaha Phazer 1984. Arctic Cat took the Phazer design a step further with the 1990 Prowler. Then BRP took that concept to the Rev. with their own innovations. So stating every one fallowed or copied the Rev. isn't really true.
BTW i bought a Yamaha Phazer, first year production in 1984....it was a solid sled and eventually made a reputation for it self. Was also known as the Darthvadder because of its unusual looks.

Is that so? Can you back that up? I saw the Rev 2 years before even Blair Morgan did. I don't remember Jose Boisjoli, Guillame Ferland, JF Guertin or any of the other design staff at that time say they were inspired by the Phazer? We saw the original drawings and it was more a bike inspired concept.

 

[Ryeser]

Good to see Doo leading the way with new technology, doesn't matter what you ride, we will all benefit from this in the industry! I for one am a Poo lover and ride with a bunch of Doo lovers, I love the fact that this industry keeps improving and providing better products to make myself more comfortable and able to reach places others only dream of.

 

[Teth-Air]

Shall we bring up some of your more recent posts Chris? Lol!

I said I am learning, not there yet. It sometimes takes someone else to make it ubber obvious.

 

[niner]

All these clutching woes could disappear with one phone call by BRP.
" Hello Mr. Baker, we have totally F'd up and forgot how to clutch the 850. I know we screws up in da past by not giving you enough credit for the sweet drop and roll you devolved for 02 summit and how you helped develop that piece of crap REV onto a wicked mountain sled but we need your help again. We couldn't help ourselves for being so arrogant we are French after all. "

 

[snopro]

I said I am learning, not there yet. It sometimes takes someone else to make it ubber obvious.

HaHa we are all still learning Chris! Lol.

 

[roadlinur113]

That was copied from Lund.....not you LennyR. Cheers on your superior comprehension skills

 

[Lund]

I thought people would laugh at this but here is some insight.
All snowmobiles from pretty much its beginning where built on the same concept, belly pan and flip up hood, wrap around bumper large windscreen. This was traditional through out the industry in the 70, 80, 90 and into the 2000.
Models in the 2000 with large belly pan's, large flip up hoods, large windscreen.
2004 RMK
2004 A/C mountain cats
Yamaha RX1
2004 Ski-Doo Highmarks
Today when you look at the modern snowmobile they all have a similarity in common. Small clip on or fasten hood's and removable side panels and no wrap around bumper and some even with no bumper and virtually no windscreen. The idea, is to keep the sled as compact as possible and keep snow out.
In 1984 Yamaha came out with the Phazer with that exact body concept.
The hood was a small flip up, it had the drop down removable side covers, no bumper and a small handle bar mounted windscreen. No wrap around belly pan but more of a skid pan.
This concept was also used by A/C in 1990 with the intro of the Prowler, it had a small flip up hood, drop removable side panels, no bumper and handlebar mounted windscreen, no belly pan but a skid pan. A/C version was much improved over Yamaha in the fact they introduced the A-Arms suspension to the mountain scene on this sled.
BRP, used this concept with the Rev, small flip up hood, drop down removable side panels, handlebar mounted windscreen, no bumper or belly pan but a skid pan.
BRP, just like A/C improved this concept by centralizing the weight with their pyramid chassi.
Now today every manufacture has done their bit to improve their snowmobile, the basic concept design has evolved and will continue. But they all use a very similar body, chassi concept, first introduced by Yamaha but now highly evolved and after 30 years it should be.
Funny how some forget and choose to know what they feel is right. If your young then its understandable.

I remember the day i first saw a Rev at the dealer, spring of 2003. I said "holy crap, thats like the old Yammys". I know its not but my first impression.

 

[maxwell]

Personally I am really excited by the G4. It looks good, goes good and if it holds up might sway me back to Doo in the future. Really depends if any other manufacturer releases something better?? I don't think 2017 will be the G4's best year either, there is sure to be many improvements for 2018.
The whole take-away from this thread is that I remember the old threads where Maxwell defended his 2016 and earlier Doo's as being perfect and almost godly. Now that the G4 rides so much more like a AXYS, he says "boy oh boy" and goes on to tell all of you how superior this sled is over all other brands. Remember I rode Doo's for nearly 30 years and defended them too when I believed they were the best sled around. Those years came and went and they may come again. I am learnng not to speak like Maxwell because when things change, you end up looking like a fool. If Maxwell spoke passion for sledding rather than passion for Doo, it may be less entertaining but so much more positive for the sport.

what lol? the G4 is absolutely nothing like the axys. does not handle even remotely similar. the power isnt even in the same ballpark. you can hop from an XM to a g4 and be comfortable right away. you can not jump from an XM to an AXys and feel the same. you STILL have flat steering and that abortion of a steering linkage system. what a design that is......hey look at this new chassis design.....oh chit we forgot the steering! thats ok! we will just run a bunch of tubes and linkages and call it a snowmobile. there is not one other Toy in the motorsports industry that has a disaster of a steering system and poor geometry as the Pro and axys. its diffucult watching people struggle with that. maybe it works great on the trails......wait nope....not there either. They would actually have to design a proper chassis to accommodate a one piece steering post...instead year after year just putting different plastics and lightening up what is essentially a 2000zx chassis. polaris needs a new chassis plain and simple then they might have a contender.....would still need a 16x track (its 2016 get with the times) and about 15 more HP. good effort but not even in the same playing field yet

 

[maxwell]

like WTF ^^^^ slow clap.....better luck next time polaris engineering

 

[takethebounce]

Meanwhile at BRP R&D hq's

"Okay gents we have put 5 years and $100,000 into developing this new ground breaking pyramid chassis design that no one has ever thought of before, its revolutionary, absolute game changer, what are we going to do with the suspension?"

"Well we have this T motion set up on the shelf. "



"Yeah but guys, haven't we been using the T motion set up since the intro of the XM? And basically it is the same design less t motion for the XP? And really we carried that over from the Rev which really we have been using torsion springs since we borrowed that from Yamaha in the 70's? Shouldn't we really put some effort into this new sled?"

"Yeah but it's Friday Boss and the Habs are playing Toronto tonight."


"Your right Pierre, no one will care, we will throw in a 850 since more power is what really sells, the flatlanders will love how it wheelies and save tons on money for poutine!"





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[JungleJim]

Excellent! Well done!

 

[JungleJim]

You also forgot to read the e-mail that BRP's Finance Director sent to their Engineering department... "After carefully reviewing our unit costs on parts we have come up with a new strategy to extract maximum value from our existing G4 customers by implementing a strategy to sell more bulkheads in 2017. This will be done by making our a-arms so strong they do not bend at (note: Marketing tells us this will be an advantage vs Polaris). Rather than selling a $200 a-arm that can be installed in minutes by the customer, we will sell them an entire bulkhead assembly for $2000. Our dealers are very supportive of this Finance driven initiative as they too will be able to charge our existing customers another $1500 for install!" Please implement immediately.
Yours truly, Francois

 

[tex78]

Oh God you two, brain washed Polaris dope junkies


I've hit major hard **** with xm and it's still going on original s and e module with NO grip and rips

S module might be out a touch, Rh lower control arm has a big wow inwards on the front tube ( and I hit the snow covered tree hard and wicked wide open, did not see it laying at a 45)



sent while drinking tea's

 

[Teth-Air]

what lol? the G4 is absolutely nothing like the axys. does not handle even remotely similar. the power isnt even in the same ballpark. you can hop from an XM to a g4 and be comfortable right away. you can not jump from an XM to an AXys and feel the same. you STILL have flat steering and that abortion of a steering linkage system. what a design that is......hey look at this new chassis design.....oh chit we forgot the steering! thats ok! we will just run a bunch of tubes and linkages and call it a snowmobile. there is not one other Toy in the motorsports industry that has a disaster of a steering system and poor geometry as the Pro and axys. its diffucult watching people struggle with that. maybe it works great on the trails......wait nope....not there either. They would actually have to design a proper chassis to accommodate a one piece steering post...instead year after year just putting different plastics and lightening up what is essentially a 2000zx chassis. polaris needs a new chassis plain and simple then they might have a contender.....would still need a 16x track (its 2016 get with the times) and about 15 more HP. good effort but not even in the same playing field yet

I took a short ride on the G4 this season and it felt much like my AXYS in throttle response and weaving through the trees. I did not get the thing on to the second set of injectors to really feel the power come on but when the trees are tight you get limited how fast you can go. The XM feels much less like my AXYS. I believe it is the lighter weight of the G4 over the XM along with a higher center of gravity that made me believe it was improved. The G4's steering geometry was not much noticed being different than the AXYS either, did they move it forward more compared to the XM? As far as the AXYS steering, their design is intentional and it would be cheaper and easier to build it like a flatlander sled e.g. Yamaha, Ski-doo style. This vertical steering the AXYS has is better when your body is not above the bars (hanging off the side of sled) but it does take more effort otherwise. The Skidoo and Yamaha allow you to put downward pressure on the bars to turn, that's great when you are above them but sucks when you are hanging out to the side. Really depends on what type of riding you do.

 

[Pistonbroke]

You also forgot to read the e-mail that BRP's Finance Director sent to their Engineering department... "After carefully reviewing our unit costs on parts we have come up with a new strategy to extract maximum value from our existing G4 customers by implementing a strategy to sell more bulkheads in 2017. This will be done by making our a-arms so strong they do not bend at (note: Marketing tells us this will be an advantage vs Polaris). Rather than selling a $200 a-arm that can be installed in minutes by the customer, we will sell them an entire bulkhead assembly for $2000. Our dealers are very supportive of this Finance driven initiative as they too will be able to charge our existing customers another $1500 for install!" Please implement immediately.
Yours truly, Francois

Finance dept. memo back to Francois:

Oui Oui huh hun Francois, you mean like dis?

 

[JungleJim]

Oui! Dis is perfect! Guarantees a return trip to our dealers as DIY'ers don't stand a chance of fixing it themselves. More poutine for you!

 

[lilduke]

" And really we carried that over from the Rev which really we have been using torsion springs since we borrowed that from Yamaha in the 70's? Shouldn't we really put some effort into this new sled?"
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Hey could one of you engineers please explain to me why Polaris (and every other 2017 factory snocross sled)
run rear torsion springs if they are so inferior to a coil?