any tire guys on here??

[pfi572]

https://youtu.be/DJd9yHIyB_4



Seen a few with the bulges on them

 

[Stompin Tom]

Well I can say that I have not hit any curbs or potholes hard enough to cause damage like this to this tire. The tire was on the front drivers side until I rotated them to the back. The Goodyear sales rep said that I must have hit a pothole. You would think that If I hit something hard enough to cause it to crack there would be some kind of mark other than a clean crack. I said before I don`t drive this truck in the winter. So my conclusion is the tire cracked on its own over the winter while in the garage. Maybe thats hard to believe for some, maybe it was bad rubber. I agree with a few on here that these tires are garbage. If I asked who 'sells tires on here' would I get a real tire guy`s response, lol

I am in full agreement with the Goodyear guy, that damage happened while the tire was rolling. Sidewall belts run strait, not at an angle, in order to get damage in the direction you have, the tire had to be rolling. I know you claim the scrapes on the sidewall came from you cleaning it, I believe you fully believe that to be true, but frankly I highly doubt it. I clean my tires regularly and never get the exact matching swirls as the damage, You may not have seen them until they were cleaned, and unless you cleaned them with a brick they would be extremely hard to duplicate the scratches, especially the exact swirl. When you look at the inmpact damage it gets progressively worse from the first to the one one which is almost strait. That is the point of the hardest impact when the damage happened.

As for "tire guys" I was in the industry from 1981 to 1995. I started as a tire buster, but advanced to the point where I did all commercial adjustments in the province of BC in the mid 1990's. I worked out of the Port Kells warehouse and traveled the province. I have seen that type of damage many times, and was able to predict that the tire was possibly on the steering axle at some point. It is very common to see that type of damage done while being curbed, backing up, tires turned, a quick scrub against a curb at low speed. The problem is you can do the damage, not realize it, and the damage does not become apparent for weeks or even months. The belts are damaged internally and over time, wear and flex the damage comes out.

I got out of the industry for 2 reasons, first it paid like crap. 2nd customers always believed that they were right and were getting screwed over by the tire shop and believed that an uneducated argument was better than the evidence presented. It gets very tiring dealing with the public. Pun intended.

 

[Stompin Tom]

https://youtu.be/DJd9yHIyB_4



Seen a few with the bulges on them

The gentleman in the video is correct. What he is looking at is a mold defect and it should have never made its way to road. The question I would have is did it get noticed before he ran the tire? Reason being is the defect could be far worse inside the tire and the tread could be seperating. I would advise him to remove it right away if he noticed any more progression in the damage.

His dealer dissatisfaction is one of the reasons I got out of the industry, poor paying leads to poor employee's. That is what he is experiencing. If something happened to that tire and he was in an accident, there would be a strong case for a law suit.

 

[4extreme]

I am in full agreement with the Goodyear guy, that damage happened while the tire was rolling. Sidewall belts run strait, not at an angle, in order to get damage in the direction you have, the tire had to be rolling. I know you claim the scrapes on the sidewall came from you cleaning it, I believe you fully believe that to be true, but frankly I highly doubt it. I clean my tires regularly and never get the exact matching swirls as the damage, You may not have seen them until they were cleaned, and unless you cleaned them with a brick they would be extremely hard to duplicate the scratches, especially the exact swirl. When you look at the inmpact damage it gets progressively worse from the first to the one one which is almost strait. That is the point of the hardest impact when the damage happened.

As for "tire guys" I was in the industry from 1981 to 1995. I started as a tire buster, but advanced to the point where I did all commercial adjustments in the province of BC in the mid 1990's. I worked out of the Port Kells warehouse and traveled the province. I have seen that type of damage many times, and was able to predict that the tire was possibly on the steering axle at some point. It is very common to see that type of damage done while being curbed, backing up, tires turned, a quick scrub against a curb at low speed. The problem is you can do the damage, not realize it, and the damage does not become apparent for weeks or even months. The belts are damaged internally and over time, wear and flex the damage comes out.

I got out of the industry for 2 reasons, first it paid like crap. 2nd customers always believed that they were right and were getting screwed over by the tire shop and believed that an uneducated argument was better than the evidence presented. It gets very tiring dealing with the public. Pun intended.

I get what you are saying, a lot of people come on the internet and say stuff that isn`t true. I`m not trying to get someone to get me a new tire or pat me on the back and say "it`ll be alright". I bought my truck( 2007 ) new and it has 183,000kms on it(diesel). I take very good care of it, it looks better than a lot of truck 10 years newer. I don`t drive it hard and have maintained it from the start. I still have factory brakes that is around 60% left. If I damage my tire I wouldn`t be asking questions about the cracks. tonight I looked up a used one on kijiji. the price was right. no patches, wear around 30% left. I looked inside and in one spot the rubber was cracked on the inside of the tire. I`m starting to believe some of these tires have problems.

 

[Stompin Tom]

I get what you are saying, a lot of people come on the internet and say stuff that isn`t true. I`m not trying to get someone to get me a new tire or pat me on the back and say "it`ll be alright". I bought my truck( 2007 ) new and it has 183,000kms on it(diesel). I take very good care of it, it looks better than a lot of truck 10 years newer. I don`t drive it hard and have maintained it from the start. I still have factory brakes that is around 60% left. If I damage my tire I wouldn`t be asking questions about the cracks. tonight I looked up a used one on kijiji. the price was right. no patches, wear around 30% left. I looked inside and in one spot the rubber was cracked on the inside of the tire. I`m starting to believe some of these tires have problems.

The thing is with sidewall damage often times it doesnt take much of an impact to cause the damage internally, often times the driver doesnt realize they have clipped a curb, rock, log, almost anything that can get a sidewall. The hit causes some damage to the structure of the tire, and over time that damage spreads, and week, months later the injury rears its ugly head in the form of a blow out. You were lucky, you found the problem before you were going 100 kmh down the road. Often times the damage can happen at very low speeds, your cutting your wheel to back up and the passanger side wheel scrapes a curb while your cutting to your right, or the inside of the tire catches the edge of a 2x4 at the wrong angle. You possibly never felt it. They told you a pot hole, I dont buy that, the damage is higher and centered around the main bulge point of the tire which tells me it was a side impact injury.

Your picture had the tell tale signs that the manufacturer looks for the swoop or angled damage, more than one scratch point with them getting progressively worse. The rubber on a tire is very resistant to scratches, go out side and try to scratch one, unless your using a heavy grit item or a piece of steel they seldom scratch. If you use some sort of cleaner and a rag, virtually never scratch.

I am not defending the Goodyear product, there is a good chance they have changed something is the compound or sidewall construction in the Duratrac over the years and they may very well be more susceptible to damage now than when they were first introduced. I for one dont have Goodyear products on my vehicles, no real reason, just nothing in their current lineup interests me.

 

[Stompin Tom]

I get what you are saying, a lot of people come on the internet and say stuff that isn`t true. I`m not trying to get someone to get me a new tire or pat me on the back and say "it`ll be alright". I bought my truck( 2007 ) new and it has 183,000kms on it(diesel). I take very good care of it, it looks better than a lot of truck 10 years newer. I don`t drive it hard and have maintained it from the start. I still have factory brakes that is around 60% left. If I damage my tire I wouldn`t be asking questions about the cracks. tonight I looked up a used one on kijiji. the price was right. no patches, wear around 30% left. I looked inside and in one spot the rubber was cracked on the inside of the tire. I`m starting to believe some of these tires have problems.

If you found cracking on the inside of that tire, especially if it was near the shoulder on on the sidewall, that is a strong indicator that the tire was run with to low of air pressure at some point and you should stay far far away from it. Good decision to walk away.

If your looking at used tires always run your hand along the sidewall and feel for any bumps or waves. You should feel one bump or indentation on the sidewall, that will be the seam and it is normal for the belts at the point to be slightly tighter or looser causing an inward out outward bump. If you find more than one bump or wave, walk away. If you see any scratching shaped like the swoop in your pictures, walk away. Any nail holes, even if repaired properly, walk away.

Tires built today in general are far higher in quality than tires built 10- 20 years ago, but that doesnt mean they are not susceptible to damage.

 

[tex78]

Would like to see some REAL tire guy post something up here also. my 2 cents also says curb or blunt hit on the sidewall, not wear cracks at all. Any aggressive AT or MT tire is gonna be ****. IMO. cheapest to the most pricey they all have down falls. I used to run them fawkn rubbers on my diesel. When they first came out with the Wranglers with Kevlar. Oooooo Kevlar must be a good tire. Nope...IMO. All MT tires blow and id say a dura is a MT not a AT tire. There all hockey pucks in winter and loud, wear super fast in summer with hard sidewalls and they all cup. again IMO and probably anyone here that runs bigger then 35" tires. Im running 345/45/24 Fuel Grippers right now and they same as cheap comforser tires. But i will never buy a BFG tire again...

Real tire guy eh




Well I'm a auto tech, ran a tire shop in eckville for 12 years, did not sell good year as back then it was a fountain tire thing, then Kal started selling them and then all tire places started to sell them the last 5 years, I worked at Edward's gm garage for 2 years and salmon arm gm for 6 years



But I tell you good year tires suck, all brands, dura tracks are better, but the last few years I have seen the cracks like that on a few different units

 

[Stompin Tom]

Real tire guy eh




Well I'm a auto tech, ran a tire shop in eckville for 12 years, did not sell good year as back then it was a fountain tire thing, then Kal started selling them and then all tire places started to sell them the last 5 years, I worked at Edward's gm garage for 2 years and salmon arm gm for 6 years



But I tell you good year tires suck, all brands, dura tracks are better, but the last few years I have seen the cracks like that on a few different units

I was around through the Kal Tire having Goodyear, then Kal going to war with them, splitting the sheets, Kal taking on Bridgestone and Fountian moving into BC and taking Goodyear over from Kal. That was a pretty huge thing in the industry back in the day. Crown Tire carried Bridgestone in BC before that, but they were bought out by Kal.

 

[Go-Vertical]

What Tex said. I won’t run or buy a good year tire. They are junk.

 

[Rene G]

What Tex said. I won’t run or buy a good year tire. They are junk.

I have to agree, not a fan of Goodyears

 

[MP Kid]

Agreed...
both Tex and Vert have it correct.... Goodyear is not as “top of the line” as they would appear.

I’ve had all kinds of tires, but in the end, you typically get what you pay for!
My preference for quality is:
Michelin
Bridgestone/Firestone
Toyo
After that is goes down hill fast.....

the exception to the “get what you pay for” rule, is Mickey Thompson. They charge a ton for real crap tires!

 

[neilsleder]

Good year tires are that. Only good for one year regardless of miles on them. Know lots of guys that had them and side walls let go. Lots of guys had them in welding trucks and always had flats.

 

[Summitric]

Pinched a curb on my maxxis at771 tires, with 10000kms on them, and looked identical to your damage. Road hazard warranty covered it, no questions asked, and the pro-rating came in at $0 to me.... Helps to own a shop, maybe?

 

[4extreme]

I had another look at my tire yesterday, there are some new cracks all around the sidewall in different spots. I took it back to fountain tire and they are keeping the tire to show the sales rep. they put another tire on my rim so I could drive the truck. a big thumbs up for that.

 

[4extreme]

goodyear warrentied my tire. I had to pay for what I used. It cost me $68 for a new tire.