The flap thing is old but the doo belt thing is ancient.
Alpha Ride Report?
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drew562
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Finally got out on my alpha. Just got home. . No regrets. My belt spitting 2018 850 almost made me want to quit mountain riding. BRP arrogance made me quit riding doo. I was the only one chewing belts according to brp.
The new cat works unreal. Slight angle changes in the bush maintains speed in the deep fresh. The way I can whip around and switch directions on a 165 is crazy. It’s so easy to get unstuck if you do get stuck. Burn a Full tank of fuel and very little oil used. One belt lasted a whole trip. Lol. Man I can’t wait to get back. This sled is just awesome.
The new cat works unreal. Slight angle changes in the bush maintains speed in the deep fresh. The way I can whip around and switch directions on a 165 is crazy. It’s so easy to get unstuck if you do get stuck. Burn a Full tank of fuel and very little oil used. One belt lasted a whole trip. Lol. Man I can’t wait to get back. This sled is just awesome.
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What are you flappin' off about?
Baraaaaaap Obama
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I think the mods need to start banning members posting pictures of their own sleds with no mud flaps... Like seriously this trail side duchery has gone too far, Snow & Mud needs to send a message, set some examples.
FastFarmer
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why would you want a mud flap on a snowmobile? Lol! Set yourself up on that one!
Doo2015
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How are these things when the skiis are off the ground? My 175" doo is pretty darty and sensitive to rider input with the T-motion when the skiis are up in a climb. Just wondering if the single beam skid is similar?
drew562
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It is totally predictable and easy. Real easy. My 850 was squirrelly. The alpha is very easy to over ride but it’s controlled once you get some time on it.
Baraaaaaap Obama
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Alpha is a game changer.... Tracks so good in ruts
snopro
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Are you saying its a poacher? Lol
FastFarmer
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ok...so people like the new skid. Engine...well same thing for years really, without getting too techy. Chassis...needs to break away from the Yamaha relationship and get something new and exciting going. I loved my CATS...all 33 of them, but it was like they were being out done by the competition. The changes were minimal in comapison with looks and ideas. Everything CAT did I did ahead of cat to my sleds, because I had friends and dealers that were already thinking outside the box and because Arctic Cat wasn’t keeping pace. I’m NOT bashing, I’ve spent a lot of cash on Arctic Cat and still do but after riding the Axys and the G4...the Ascender platform needs a major overhaul. I’m hoping that’s whats next is the chassis, the CTech is what it is and works good so I’d rather see a new chassis.
Think you will see both for 2020.
mountianguy
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What makes the Axys and G4 so much better, I have not rode the Axys and only limited time on the G4 and Ascender. Not trying to argue just wanting more info. I am buying a new sled this spring and won't made any decisions until the 2020 are released.
Eldereldo
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i think Cat has always struggled with the finances to do everything at once, or to build a different chassis for the trail vs mountain segment. Perhaps with Texron, and the sales success of a the Alpha showing them that people will jump on innovation, the purse strings will open a bit wider so more can be done. In any case unless Cat has been working on a new design for the last few years, it isn’t going arrive right away, not with all the design, testing and production planning that is required. You for sure are not going to see another new engine so soon after the 800 Ctec.
ARCTIC CAT In TROUBLE? Textron, owner of Arctic Cat snowmobiles, filed this report this week with the U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission and reading between the lines of corporate gobble-de-gook, it appears that things aren’t going well for Arctic Cat...
On December 4, 2018, our Board of Directors approved a plan to restructure the Textron Specialized Vehicles businesses within our Industrial segment. We expect to incur pre-tax charges in the range of $60 million to $85 million under this plan, which will be recorded in the fourth quarter of 2018.
Textron Specialized Vehicles has undergone significant changes since the acquisition of Arctic Cat as we have expanded the product portfolio and integrated manufacturing operations and retail distribution. As disclosed in our Form 10-Q filed for the third quarter of 2018, the operating results for these businesses were significantly below our expectations as dealer sell-through lagged despite the introduction of new products into our dealer network. Management conducted a strategic review of the Textron Specialized Vehicles businesses, which included an assessment of the acquired dealer network and go-to-market strategy for the Textron Off Road and Arctic Cat brands, as well as cost reduction initiatives throughout the Textron Specialized Vehicles businesses. The restructuring plan will result in the impairment of intangible assets, primarily related to product rationalization, the elimination of approximately 400 positions, representing approximately 10% of Textron Specialized Vehicles’ workforce, and closure of several factory-direct turf-care branch locations and a manufacturing facility. The restructuring actions under this plan are expected to result in improved operating results for these businesses.
Severance and related costs for this plan are estimated to be in the range of $10 million to $15 million. Contract termination and other facility closure charges are estimated to be in the range of $5 million to $15 million. Impairment charges are estimated to be in the range of $45 million to $55 million and largely relate to acquired intangible assets. Expected cash outlays in connection with this plan are estimated to be in the range of $15 million to $30 million, with up to $10 million in the fourth quarter of 2018 and the remainder in 2019. We anticipate that this plan will be substantially completed by the end of 2018.
On December 4, 2018, our Board of Directors approved a plan to restructure the Textron Specialized Vehicles businesses within our Industrial segment. We expect to incur pre-tax charges in the range of $60 million to $85 million under this plan, which will be recorded in the fourth quarter of 2018.
Textron Specialized Vehicles has undergone significant changes since the acquisition of Arctic Cat as we have expanded the product portfolio and integrated manufacturing operations and retail distribution. As disclosed in our Form 10-Q filed for the third quarter of 2018, the operating results for these businesses were significantly below our expectations as dealer sell-through lagged despite the introduction of new products into our dealer network. Management conducted a strategic review of the Textron Specialized Vehicles businesses, which included an assessment of the acquired dealer network and go-to-market strategy for the Textron Off Road and Arctic Cat brands, as well as cost reduction initiatives throughout the Textron Specialized Vehicles businesses. The restructuring plan will result in the impairment of intangible assets, primarily related to product rationalization, the elimination of approximately 400 positions, representing approximately 10% of Textron Specialized Vehicles’ workforce, and closure of several factory-direct turf-care branch locations and a manufacturing facility. The restructuring actions under this plan are expected to result in improved operating results for these businesses.
Severance and related costs for this plan are estimated to be in the range of $10 million to $15 million. Contract termination and other facility closure charges are estimated to be in the range of $5 million to $15 million. Impairment charges are estimated to be in the range of $45 million to $55 million and largely relate to acquired intangible assets. Expected cash outlays in connection with this plan are estimated to be in the range of $15 million to $30 million, with up to $10 million in the fourth quarter of 2018 and the remainder in 2019. We anticipate that this plan will be substantially completed by the end of 2018.
Eldereldo
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Oops, strike my previous comments about Texron purse strings opening up.
Teth-Air
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This plan was likely in place before the Alpha. Restructuring is normal and probably what was needed after the take-over.
I make my living and always have in the drilling industry, there is no way in hell that I would support any BRP product at this time. I see people posting on here about how great everyone is doing with the rally's going on in various places in Alberta yet they keep supporting companies back east that do not support our "dirty oil" and continue to steal Alberta money. BRP cares alright Fack them.
Have not done that yet but really don't see the Alpha struggleing in any condition other sleds operate in.
A lot of what this sled does will depend on who is in the saddle as the sled has enough adjustabilty for most almost or maybe any situation.
Shock adjust mentioned greatly affects handling.
It is not an irratic handling sled on the trail at all.
I killed both 850 Doos on the trail groomed and whooped and forgot to go to clicker 3 to reduce front end dive in corners.
There are way faster better people on the hill than me, the two doo riders and I are of similar skill set.
Use the rear shock lockout in back and it will hold a side hill in fresh or tracked conditions noticibly better than a doo. Setting two on the rear and it side hills like a doo with probably still less washout.
It is a very manouverable sled that requires the least amount of rider input of a sled I have thrown a leg over. I do not have the reflexes to react to what the sled is capable of.
That so far is what I have seen.....minimal rider input to do what I have in the past.
A more skilled rider will have a hoot on this sled if you make use of the range of what the shocks can help do.
Have not ridden with a Polaris yet but I expect the same.
I am not a fan of the term gamechanger as very very few people can push any brand to it's limits in the field, only on paper.
I can't push any brand to its full stock potential any more.
The sleds are all that good.
The Alpha is good enough to hang with the other two smokers and has the bonus features of the rear skid to make it more adjustable, manouverable, lighter and just be at a level of advantage that increases with the level of skill of who is in the saddle.
You really have to ride one to get it, and not for jus a couple hours.
Salmons ruts and ice will not adversely affect the Alpha more than any other sled.
Until you lay an Alpha 17° over you have full traction with full track width lug contact, it will have the traction when others have half track width contact. It really works without the loose squirrely doo back end that people are putting lockouts on.
It really works, I have not found flaws yet.
Yowzers.....what a friggen novel.....lol.
snopro
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I understand your hate for the east. Me too. I hate the equalization formula more than anyone. But do you really think a Motorsports company like BRP is anti oil? Think about it? What do they run on? Can you provide a link where BRP has stated they are anti Alberta or anti oil? Back in the mid 90's when Quebec was spouting separation and people were actually thinking it was going to happen in the referendum the CEO of Bombardier at the time Pierre Beaudoin held a meeting in the Valcourt arena about this issue. He stated to all the employees that had gathered for the meeting that Bombardier was a Canadian company first and a Quebec company second and that any employee that felt different could pick up a severance cheque at the plant after the meeting. I highly doubt that
the current CEO, Jose Boisjoli of what is now called BRP represents any different position than what they held back in the mid 90's. Why would you chit in your own cornflakes?
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