Aboriginal protests in Canada.

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Was thinking about this whole situation again last night. Always seems to be that whenever that the subject is brought up there are always a few that jump in upset over the "racism" of the topic, and then tempers flare and people get angry.

The truth of the matter is that there is 2.3 BILLION dollars of money spent EVERY year to support and better the native peoples, but very little of it goes to actually bettering thier lives, and there is no accountability for the money. Soon as someone asks what it is being used for, the native bands cry racism and inequality. And until there is transparancy there will continue to be resentment from the rest of Canada, especially when there are members of the native community the insist on mocking and flaunting it in front of us.

Another thing that chaps my ass is the attitude that the world owes them something. I owe absolutly nobody a damn thing!

I've wondered what would happen if Canada was invaded by a foreign country. It's not all that far fetched, heck the cold war wasn't that long ago and Canada was the front lines. China and other asian countrys are already securing a good grip on our resources.

Now what if the Chinese or Russians decided to invade Canada? Would the first nations stand with the rest of the nation, or would they welcome the invaders as 'liberators', come to rescue the subjugated indian people? You know the invading country wouldn't give a crap about thier traditional lands and native rights, and they sure wouldn't continue to fork over money for the bands to survive.

Even if the invading country wasn't hostile to the natives, and just let them be, but decided that the money going to them would be better suited to suppliying the military or navy, it would be a world of hurt for them. No more public health care, subsidised heating and electricity costs, supplied housing, money from energy companies, etc.

Maybe before they are so quick to blame the government and the people that have been paying for so many years for them to be able to have better lives and become part of the nation, they should look to thier own people and politicians and try to figure out what has gone wrong. It's easy to cry racism and be offended everytime the subject is brought up, and demand more and more until something finally gives.
 

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Yes, they have. Through each and every war, they have fought for Canada, but the political landscape has changed in the last decade or two .

I posted that more as a way to gain some perspective, although its a very unlikely scenario.

More and more you are seeing the politicians pushing the agenda that the native peoples should be sovereign, and that they should be viewing themselves as separate from the rest of Canada, much the way Quebec does, and this troubles me.
 

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Our govt only allows them here if they have enough money.

All refugees are given money till there case is heard and a decision is made. I think they are given 2g a month or more and they dont have pay any taxes if they find employment. Watched a program on this and was surprised that Hungary has the highest amount of immigrants to our country
 

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Im not racist at all, never have been BUT has anyone ever seen a homeless Asian or East Indian? Just curious.....

No BUT most ov these people work for a living, corner stores, fast food and own most ov the resturants in Edmonton
I dont see to many white men or natives working for minumum coin:beer:
 

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Im not racist at all, never have been BUT has anyone ever seen a homeless Asian or East Indian? Just curious.....
Maybe their families take care of them...... Ever seen an underachieving Asian? A good percentage of homeless are mentally ill, maybe they have other ways of dealing with their mentally ill folks.
 

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Why is it that Aboriginal peoples in almost every developed country in the world are in the same boat? They sure as chit weren't lazy before the Europeans showed up or they wouldn't have been around........
 

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I don't see them as lazy at all. I know many natives that are hard working people who take pride in what they have and do. There are a lot that I know of that have taken the opportunities given to them and are very successful.

The problem is that usually the ones that ARE lazy or have no interest in working for a living are usually the most visible and vocal.

Honestly, I'd think that the successful ones would be more upset with the deadbeats and corrupt ones than the rest of us. They are only stereotyped because of these people.
 

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Maybe their families take care of them...... Ever seen an underachieving Asian? A good percentage of homeless are mentally ill, maybe they have other ways of dealing with their mentally ill folks.

Yes and its called the "Canadian Government" and tax free living in Canada ;)

A good percentage of homeless are mentally ill? Where's the proof for this? Because I personally dont think your statement is correct....
 

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That and that there definitely is a double standard when it comes to employment, I see this in my area a lot.

Many of the natives here have a very poor work ethic, mostly due to the fact that when it comes to the large energy company's in northern Alberta they cater to the natives, because it is the politically correct thing to do. They are awarded contracts and given jobs mainly based on thier native status, and no matter how poorly they perform or even whether they show up or not they are not fired or let go, and most take advantage of this. They are simply not held to the same standard as the rest of us. Does this breed resentment - you bet your ass it does!

Don't take offense to this comment as suggesting that no natives should be given these jobs, there are many that do the jobs and excel, but many abuse it knowing full well that there will be no repercussions.
 

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This says it all.Native and proud
 

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Maybe their families take care of them...... Ever seen an underachieving Asian? A good percentage of homeless are mentally ill, maybe they have other ways of dealing with their mentally ill folks.

I couldnt agree more. I think there are some very important positive charactaristics that a person can take away from any culture. And like them or not.........Asians, and a lot of other cultures do value the family unit and take care of their own elders, mentally ill, physically impaired, etc. They take responsibility and care for those in thier family that cant care for themselves. It seems like our western culture has created the mentality somewhere along the way that it is someone elses problem. The government will take care of it!!!. The problem with this view is in viewing the government as some external force that is there to take care of us. But remember, the government is just representation of US. WE pay for everything they provide. So when people think they are passing the buck........it falls on the average hard working guys back, and guess what......his taxes just went up yet again. A 45% + tax rate is absolutely retarded. Where is the incentive to work hard? So you can do more than your fair share to pay the 9 billion a year to the indians? Or the countless other areas our tax dollars are wasted on?

Bottom line of my rant is that I really appreciate cultures that take responsibilities for themselves. It is great to have the government in place to provide the essentials such as health care, roads, defense, etc. But I think that idea has been lost somewhere along the way.
 
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Yes and its called the "Canadian Government" and tax free living in Canada ;)

A good percentage of homeless are mentally ill? Where's the proof for this? Because I personally dont think your statement is correct....
"And more than half of Vancouver's homeless and mentally ill suffer from schizophrenia, according to preliminary data from another study."
The Tyee ? Mental Illness Leads to Homelessness in BC
 

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hahaha......thats a good one.this was in reply to mxzrettas post of the pic. just tried to the add the pic but didnt work.
 
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This is Canada and until EVERYONE living here classifies themselves as CANADIAN and not there own minority group then the country is going to continue to go to ch!t. Why is it we have unemployed people dependent on gov't funds and also have people coming to this country with the gov't paying to set them up (not having to pay taxes for first while) and businesses getting tax incentives to hire them. How STUPID is that? Maybe the gov't should start charging people to come to this great country and giving incentives to businesses to hire unemployed people! I also find it funny when people pull the racist card and them selves are racist towards others. Racism isn't just to one minority, its to all different people. Rant over.
 

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This is Canada and until EVERYONE living here classifies themselves as CANADIAN and not there own minority group then the country is going to continue to go to ch!t. Why is it we have unemployed people dependent on gov't funds and also have people coming to this country with the gov't paying to set them up (not having to pay taxes for first while) and businesses getting tax incentives to hire them. How STUPID is that? Maybe the gov't should start charging people to come to this great country and giving incentives to businesses to hire unemployed people! I also find it funny when people pull the racist card and them selves are racist towards others. Racism isn't just to one minority, its to all different people. Rant over.

The problem with hiring the "unemployed people" is that in our economy (i'm in northern AB) the unemployed people are unemployed for a reason, those reasons vary but mostly poor work ethic is to blame. The government is pushing hard for the hiring of aboriginals from nearby reservations however most business owners have tried and been frustrated with the results and quick turnover. I agree with most of what everyone is saying that there needs to be an end to the handouts to anyone no matter the race. It sounds like the native people that have spoke up on this thread aren't recieving the handouts and are contributing members to society, thus proving that this does not apply to all Native people and should not be stereotyped as such. In conclusion there are many areas where the government is giving handouts where they don't belong and the help they think they are giving is only an enabler allowing people to become irrisponsible with their life as they are no longer dependant on their own responsibility.
 

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For those of you who dont know or understand what the natives are protesting. Let me put it to you this way. Lets say you trade some land for another piece of land. Then 10 years later the guy that you got the land from shows up and wants to cut down some of the trees. Not only cut down the trees but he wants to divert the water in the creek. You are pissed and tell him off but he pulls out a court order giving him the right to do this. Now you pissed off even more how the hell can this guy get away with this. You didnt get no notice that you should go to court to fight against these changes to your land. What would you do if this happened to you? I am Native and proud of it.
 
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