2026 Predictions

[gdhillon]

It’s both crappy and good to know others experience Polaris hard starts, now I know my axys is ‘normal’ lol

 

[MP Kid]

not possible with their current engine and fuel management system. It would need to be direct injection

The brain washing is deep with this one….


I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on how every manufacturer can achieve engine reverse without the miracle of direct injection.

 

[maxwell]

The brain washing is deep with this one….


I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on how every manufacturer can achieve engine reverse without the miracle of direct injection.

that is all about ignition timing they had it on carb sleds it does not require as precise timing of fuel delivery as the engine doesn't actually stop running, it comes close but does not stop rotating

say all you want, polaris cant have shot start until they go direct injection. Has nothing to do with brain washing its just about understanding how the systems work and shot doesn't work without the correct components to which Polaris currently does not have them. They are still on throttle body fuel injection from 1996

 

[MP Kid]

that is all about ignition timing they had it on carb sleds it does not require as precise timing of fuel delivery as the engine doesn't actually stop running, it comes close but does not stop rotating

say all you want, polaris cant have shot start until they go direct injection. Has nothing to do with brain washing its just about understanding how the systems work and shot doesn't work without the correct components to which Polaris currently does not have them. They are still on throttle body fuel injection from 1996

Interesting ….

So you’re saying it doesn’t stop rotating…

Please draw on a napkin your explanation of how the reverse happens…

 

[greenthumb]

interested to hear your thoughts on how every manufacturer can achieve engine reverse without the miracle of direct injection.

Spark timing. Fuel/air mix is already in the cylinder from it running forwards.

I'm going to have to agree with maxypoo to an extent on this one. While the concept of using a generating device as a starter is decades old, (lawn tractors did this in the 60's, and some small generators do this)
they operate more like a starter and crank the engine several times. Yes, capacitors now have enough juice to replace a battery as some portable jump packs use them.
However, if you watch an etec, they turn slowly to index the crank then fire. You don't see it making several revolutions. They do have a patent, so there is some proprietary special sauce to it.

 

[maxwell]

Interesting ….

So you’re saying it doesn’t stop rotating…

Please draw on a napkin your explanation of how the reverse happens…

im not going to argue about how electronic reverse works its been around for 20 years there are plenty of diagrams you can go look at. We are talking about shot and i am telling you its not possible. Thats all. If it was they would have it.

 

[maxwell]

Spark timing. Fuel/air mix is already in the cylinder from it running forwards.

I'm going to have to agree with maxypoo to an extent on this one. While the concept of using a generating device as a starter is decades old, (lawn tractors did this in the 60's, and some small generators do this)
they operate more like a starter and crank the engine several times. Yes, capacitors now have enough juice to replace a battery as some portable jump packs use them.
However, if you watch an etec, they turn slowly to index the crank then fire. You don't see it making several revolutions.

yes, like mentioned you could certainly engineer a stator that is powerful enough to crank the engine over im sure and add a power source that would turn it over fast and long enough for it to fire but without the ability to control the pistons location and inject fuel directly into the cylinder at the precise right time so it can start in a 1/4 stroke those components would have to be too big and heavy for it to be worthwhile.

 

[drew562]

yes, like mentioned you could certainly engineer a stator that is powerful enough to crank the engine over im sure and add a power source that would turn it over fast and long enough for it to fire but without the ability to control the pistons location and inject fuel directly into the cylinder at the precise right time so it can start in a 1/4 stroke those components would have to be too big and heavy for it to be worthwhile.

I have a 15-17 year old Bowlens mower with auto start. Every time I shut it off, you hear a grinding clicking sound. It is activating a winder. A week later when I cut the grass it’s three pumps of the fuel bulb, grab the drive lever. It unlocks the winder which rotate the motor and it starts without a rope every time. maybe Polaris could talk to Bolens about their winding tech from 2006. lol

 

[snopro]

The brain washing is deep with this one….


I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on how every manufacturer can achieve engine reverse without the miracle of direct injection.

Sean is on a group that works on new product if I’m correct. Same or similar to what I was on in 2004-2007. He has the luxury to sit and drink beer and ride with engineers from BRP development. He can ask them any questions he wants and gets answers like I did because he most likely signed a confidentiality agreement. I’m sure the subject of what it takes for the competition to replicate another manufacturers innovation comes up all the time. You don’t have to agree with Sean but chances are it was explained to him in detail by a guy that would make anyone of us look like a fool in 2 minutes in regards to 2 stroke engine tech. These guys develop it and Sean is pretty lucky to hang with those types of people. I know it was a massive advantage to my dealership to ride new product and explain it to peeps long before the rest of the dealers that had to learn about it at the next dealer meeting.

 

[jcjc1]

SHOT is pretty damn sweet. polaris would do it if they could so it’s gotta be a patent thing or it’s too expensive to develop and retool. could be both.

 

[snochuk]

John Deere buys Artic Cat.

Martin pushing Cat hard to help with investment return as a major dealer.

Maxwell becomes official Cat Ambassidor.

New line of infovideos produced.

Whaaaaaaaaat?
Could happen you know.

 

[maxwell]

John Deere buys Artic Cat.

Martin pushing Cat hard to help with investment return as a major dealer.

Maxwell becomes official Cat Ambassidor.

New line of infovideos produced.

Whaaaaaaaaat?
Could happen you know.

i heard thats why cat shut down production they are working on the factory turbo for 2026

 

[maxwell]

SHOT is pretty damn sweet. polaris would do it if they could so it’s gotta be a patent thing or it’s too expensive to develop and retool. could be both.

im not even sure there is a patent on that style of system as like mentioned they've used it on lawn mowers. Not identical but similar systems

 

[MP Kid]

Sean is on a group that works on new product if I’m correct. Same or similar to what I was on in 2004-2007. He has the luxury to sit and drink beer and ride with engineers from BRP development. He can ask them any questions he wants and gets answers like I did because he most likely signed a confidentiality agreement. I’m sure the subject of what it takes for the competition to replicate another manufacturers innovation comes up all the time. You don’t have to agree with Sean but chances are it was explained to him in detail by a guy that would make anyone of us look like a fool in 2 minutes in regards to 2 stroke engine tech. These guys develop it and Sean is pretty lucky to hang with those types of people. I know it was a massive advantage to my dealership to ride new product and explain it to peeps long before the rest of the dealers that had to learn about it at the next dealer meeting.

You guys all totally missed it... DI is not the magical link to SHOT

 

[maxwell]

You guys all totally missed it... DI is not the magical link to SHOT

OK

 

[lilduke]

1200 triple, triple oh ya.

 

[Ghfalls]

it'll work, but other than you two guys in here no one wants it lol. Unless your buying a honda forman no one wants the plain jane stuff.

They rolled out the hd5 and hd7 to take sales from Honda and the rancher line of atvs. And they seem to be doing well. The affordable line of new atvs is a pretty hot market. Not sure if that would transfer over to snowmobiles, though, as it’s much more of a rich man’s sport. But I do know that 30k sleds are 100 per cent a no go for at least 2 people.

 

[jcjc1]

im not even sure there is a patent on that style of system as like mentioned they've used it on lawn mowers. Not identical but similar systems.

i think it's the same tech as the rapid start on cars these days like when taking off from a red light, etc.

 

[Caper11]

I have rarely seen a Polaris start on the first pull let alone a half a pull. Buddy tracking on a doo will happen long before polaris figures out shot start unless the patent has run out.

 

[RyanM]

Cat releases the twin rail option they had planned for the 2025.