2019 Alpha Omega

[niner]

Benny drug up a skimmer full of clutching goodies Saturday. Made some huge gains on the Alpha. Still have another helix we want to try that didn’t show up before we left. The titanium can sounds really good, not much louder than stock just a deeper rumble.

 

[kanedog]

That is awesome!!!! Anyone who carts up a table, skimmer and then tunes in the middle of winter will be the king of clutching!

 

[pfi572]

That is awesome!!!! Anyone who carts up a table, skimmer and then tunes in the middle of winter will be the king of clutching!

Every new sled we used to do this.
Only way to get chit right? Lol

 

[kanedog]

Every new sled we used to do this.
Only way to get chit right? Lol

I am a baby when it comes to cold. I like to wait till warm weather spring days to tune.
Yes, the only way to get it right is to cart trinkets up and test test test!

 

[Lund]

In my younger days this is what we use to do, haul up the tools and parts to our favorite hill spend hours running solutions. You learn lots from it and at times finding surprising results that you would never think would work.
IMO, way better then computer simulation done by some.
I tip my hat to the guy going through the effort in doing this, he looks young and will learn a lot from it for future reference on other sleds.

For curiosity, any gear changes?

 

[pfi572]

In my younger days this is what we use to do, haul up the tools and parts to our favorite hill spend hours running solutions. You learn lots from it and at times finding surprising results that you would never think would work.
IMO, way better then computer simulation done by some.
I tip my hat to the guy going through the effort in doing this, he looks young and will learn a lot from it for future reference on other sleds.

For curiosity, any gear changes?

Yep then everyone wants to know why your machine is running so good . Lol

 

[MK4TDI]

Benny drug up a skimmer full of clutching goodies Saturday. Made some huge gains on the Alpha. Still have another helix we want to try that didn’t show up before we left. The titanium can sounds really good, not much louder than stock just a deeper rumble.

Looks like it was an excellent day, what is the bumper that is on the sidewinder ?

 

[niner]

In my younger days this is what we use to do, haul up the tools and parts to our favorite hill spend hours running solutions. You learn lots from it and at times finding surprising results that you would never think would work.
IMO, way better then computer simulation done by some.
I tip my hat to the guy going through the effort in doing this, he looks young and will learn a lot from it for future reference on other sleds.

For curiosity, any gear changes?

I didn’t do any gear changes on my Alpha but Chrisco geared his 850 polaris down.

 

[dragonweld28]

It was a lot of fun to be able to make small changes and see results on a good long climb. We geared down the Polaris 850 with a Kurts polaris kit. The Alpah is geared well at 19/50.

 

[gforce_15]

https://store.arcticcat.com/product/0/7639-783/_/Pro_Bumper_-_Team_Arctic_Green

Looks like it was an excellent day, what is the bumper that is on the sidewinder ?

Looks like the Pro bumper I have on my cat. saved my hood a few times

 

[niner]

https://youtu.be/pKh6ukIGtxM

made a video without music so you can hear the engine and the titanium can. And the burgers cooking...

 

[MK4TDI]

https://store.arcticcat.com/product/0/7639-783/_/Pro_Bumper_-_Team_Arctic_Green

Looks like the Pro bumper I have on my cat. saved my hood a few times

Thank you sir, and I dont doubt that one bit.

 

[Lund]

Thank you sir, and I dont doubt that one bit.

Yes its a Cat bumper. Actually from the "King Cat".
It will pack snow but has great inner cooler protection, that's why i have it.

 

[Catman10]

Yes it is the Cat bumper and yes it does fill up with snow but I like the protection as I seem to find the trees a bit annoying so I run em over, did some clutching on the sidewinder and got it quite dialled in, 9050 rpm forever on any hill with 2 feet of powder, track speeds were as high as 66mph but as low as 62 mph too all still while holding 9050 rpm. I think on the right day I might see 70 mph but realistically 65 is the number I will tell everyone as I don't like to embellish just cuz I saw 70 a few times doesn't mean that is the actual speed. In fairness to all of our sleds the whole group found it to be heavy slugging, just the way the snow was and maybe next trip out we will see different results in the fluff! I tried a 35/39 helix that the srx runs with absolutely no difference compared to my straight 35, it just would not pull it this weekend so more tuning in my future forsure and I will continue to play with Niner and Dragonweld till we get them flying! By the way I really enjoyed the day and hope to do more in the future as it was a very good learning time for all, oh and those burgers tasted awesome on the hill!!!!!! It would be neat to get some more people involved that really know their clutching more than I do to come by and throw a wrench or two, the burgers are on me, interested?

 

[Lund]

Yes it is the Cat bumper and yes it does fill up with snow but I like the protection as I seem to find the trees a bit annoying so I run em over, did some clutching on the sidewinder and got it quite dialled in, 9050 rpm forever on any hill with 2 feet of powder, track speeds were as high as 66mph but as low as 62 mph too all still while holding 9050 rpm. I think on the right day I might see 70 mph but realistically 65 is the number I will tell everyone as I don't like to embellish just cuz I saw 70 a few times doesn't mean that is the actual speed. In fairness to all of our sleds the whole group found it to be heavy slugging, just the way the snow was and maybe next trip out we will see different results in the fluff! I tried a 35/39 helix that the srx runs with absolutely no difference compared to my straight 35, it just would not pull it this weekend so more tuning in my future forsure and I will continue to play with Niner and Dragonweld till we get them flying! By the way I really enjoyed the day and hope to do more in the future as it was a very good learning time for all, oh and those burgers tasted awesome on the hill!!!!!! It would be neat to get some more people involved that really know their clutching more than I do to come by and throw a wrench or two, the burgers are on me, interested?

You guys are in Valmount, that's to far for me for a day of tuning, otherwise i would join you guys.
What tune are you using, EVO 250?
It takes a lot of added hp and torque to gain a little track speed, your clutching might be as good as it gets. 65mph as average imo is awesome. From what i recall last season you were below 60mph.

 

[Catman10]

I am running the hurricane tune which in my opinion is more like a 40 hp gain so I am happy to see 65 mph forsure. We ride everywhere so to go Revy way works to, I just threw it out there because if a few guys wanna wrench for a day it sure shows you quick results on the same snow conditions and the same hill, very worthwhile in my opinion. We learned alot on the Alpha and actually went backwards at first with a combo that we thought would work, after a couple of changes she was rockin much better, quite a change actually. Both the Alpha and 850 Pro are quite impressive but our buddy Chrisco might throw a real track under that beast because traction was its only downfall, again another cool thing to figure out when you swap sleds same hill run after run, I really enjoyed the day and would like to do it again.

 

[Lund]

I am running the hurricane tune which in my opinion is more like a 40 hp gain so I am happy to see 65 mph forsure. We ride everywhere so to go Revy way works to, I just threw it out there because if a few guys wanna wrench for a day it sure shows you quick results on the same snow conditions and the same hill, very worthwhile in my opinion. We learned alot on the Alpha and actually went backwards at first with a combo that we thought would work, after a couple of changes she was rockin much better, quite a change actually. Both the Alpha and 850 Pro are quite impressive but our buddy Chrisco might throw a real track under that beast because traction was its only downfall, again another cool thing to figure out when you swap sleds same hill run after run, I really enjoyed the day and would like to do it again.

Yup Polaris tracks suck balz, i have a friend with one that i have been trying to convince to swap out.
Yes some times what one think would work doesn't necessarily mean it does, why some think i'm kinda weird with my clutching way's. I've been down that road many times and theories and book knowledge is good but has its place, hard to beat real world.
But that is the best way to learn.

 

[Lund]

I am running the hurricane tune which in my opinion is more like a 40 hp gain so I am happy to see 65 mph forsure. We ride everywhere so to go Revy way works to, I just threw it out there because if a few guys wanna wrench for a day it sure shows you quick results on the same snow conditions and the same hill, very worthwhile in my opinion. We learned alot on the Alpha and actually went backwards at first with a combo that we thought would work, after a couple of changes she was rockin much better, quite a change actually. Both the Alpha and 850 Pro are quite impressive but our buddy Chrisco might throw a real track under that beast because traction was its only downfall, again another cool thing to figure out when you swap sleds same hill run after run, I really enjoyed the day and would like to do it again.

I think that the tunes some of you guys got are actually making the HP as claimed, but not the torque.
EVO, Hurricane and Turbo Dynamic's are all eastern tuners and unfortunately do not have the experience that MCX brings.
These eastern tuners can get big HP and that works on short tracked sleds ripping across a lake or on fast trails but the mountain scene with our big 3" 162-174 track is a whole new ball game. To turn such big tracks you need torque and that is what these guys cannot get out of their tune.
None of them can, a fine example is MCX stage 2 250hp kit makes nearly 200ftlbs of torque, while Hurricane 270hp is around the 170-180ftlbs, which is nearly the same as my stage 1 MCX 225hp.

 

[dragonweld28]

lets keep this thread on track.. Please go to the yamaha section. Thanks.

The alpha really woke up by the end of the day. I think it finally finished its break in mode. Hopefully this weather warms up so I can install the boards and new front end. I also have a bunch of clutching to change as we were on the right path.

 

[niner]

So we got a start on the new front end tonight.