I changed out the skid on my turbo sled because I was having wheelie-ing problems. I've also got a bone stock XM 154 that the girlfriend rides. I jumped on that on Sunday and couldn't believe the difference in handling the T-motion brings, it was a blast to ride! I would say if you're not running big power stick with the stock skid.
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I changed out the skid on my turbo sled because I was having wheelie-ing problems. I've also got a bone stock XM 154 that the girlfriend rides. I jumped on that on Sunday and couldn't believe the difference in handling the T-motion brings, it was a blast to ride! I would say if you're not running big power stick with the stock skid.
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Stock clutching since '12 has been improved. I actually like it after I rode it more. I felt it had shortcomings and for some people it still does. It tends to be a bit of a dog off the line. For climbing this isn't ideal. But in the trees I found it more manageable.
So without knowing what you don't like about the stock clutching it is very difficult to say it isn't good enough. Keep in mind many of these riders may not ride the same terrain as you, or they out weigh you by 50-100 pounds.
Don't discount the stock setup because that is something someone else has said. I always say clutching is very subjective. Sometimes you don't need to drop $400-500 on something because someone said so. BRP has come aways in the past few years with calibrations that are way ahead of where they were. Ask guys like Carl and even Rene what they don't like about the stock setup and even though they might notice the same thing, it doesn't mean they both want the same result.
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Makes sense. Clutching is like a foreign language to me, I have a hard time understanding it. I'll stick with stock, ride it and see what I like and/or don't like and purchase a Roosterbuilt if I feel it necessary.
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Like I said, it is nothing against Roosterbuilt, it is a good product. Their calibration works well. Many people are choosing their product over DJ. Lots of people still hype Joeys product as well. It's good too, he is a knowledgeable tuner when it comes to clutching and theory but sometimes people buy either product because someone says its better.
The average person who buys these products do so sometimes without knowing what more they want from their sled. Doesn't mean that product will even fix what they want if they don't know any better.
I just think you should ride the brand new sled for yourself and see what you want it to do better before spending money on something.
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The average person who buys these products do so sometimes without knowing what more they want from their sled. Doesn't mean that product will even fix what they want if they don't know any better.
I just think you should ride the brand new sled for yourself and see what you want it to do better before spending money on something.
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From what I noticed about anodizing, it is not that durable. scratches are inevitable.
And as for the powdercoating, I have my doubts on the integrity change, since they only heat up to 300 degrees, and to melt aluminum, you need 1100+ I think it's just bad luck when somebody spaghetti's their rails and blames the powdercoating.
And as for the powdercoating, I have my doubts on the integrity change, since they only heat up to 300 degrees, and to melt aluminum, you need 1100+ I think it's just bad luck when somebody spaghetti's their rails and blames the powdercoating.
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Not to mention no two pieces of aluminum take color the same due to the metal properties of various types and manufacturers of aluminum.
You can send two different pieces to an annodizer like billet drop brackets and rails and there is no guarantee they will come out the same. There will be variances. The finish alone can affect the color.
Powdercoating is about the most consistent per batch.
There is always epoxy paint coatings. That is what BRP uses on the tunnels and I believe on the rails now. The finish is fairly durable.
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You can send two different pieces to an annodizer like billet drop brackets and rails and there is no guarantee they will come out the same. There will be variances. The finish alone can affect the color.
Powdercoating is about the most consistent per batch.
There is always epoxy paint coatings. That is what BRP uses on the tunnels and I believe on the rails now. The finish is fairly durable.
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chromed
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Wow... A little harsh for exchanging some emails...
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I did not know that about anodizing. That's interesting. I'm learning a lot by going thru this process. There's a lot to know and learn that is for sure!
Paul was saying you had issues when you powder coated your spindles. I think I remember something about that too.
Do you know anyone in Calgary that does epoxy paint coatings for sled parts?!
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Hard to tell emotion from a person when responding via email (for someone who is asking for a free sample)....
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Then wtf do you call the previous paragraph? Lol
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ok I guess I do a little bit. lol. I'm not a b!tch, and don't want to come across as that, I just didn't know asking for a piece of scrap metal laying around was such a big deal. Guess it is. My bad!
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That is not the bad part. Cutting down the company for not complying is harsh.
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So here's what I am gathering. Powder coating has the potential to weaken rails and spindles. Anodizing only comes in certain colors and is hard to get pieces to match each other but does not weaken aluminum.
Is there any downside to epoxy painting sled parts? Anyone know where you can get that done?! I can see a downside on epoxy painting parts is that the color would get chipped away potentially. But I can't see it weakening aluminum. hmmmm
Is there any downside to epoxy painting sled parts? Anyone know where you can get that done?! I can see a downside on epoxy painting parts is that the color would get chipped away potentially. But I can't see it weakening aluminum. hmmmm
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the factory tunnel and rails are epoxy painted.
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So then no risk of damage I'd have to assume by doing this.
So I would really need to find somewhere that can strip the existing paint, not sandblasting the aluminum tho because I have heard that can weaken aluminum. (Is that correct?) So acid dip is what I'd need to get done to get off the existing paint then epoxy paint to finish.
Any idea where to get this done!?
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I can sympathize with what you're saying, he didn't have to reply the way he did and i'd react the same way. That being said I would assume the process doesn't take 2 minutes and isn't just as easy as throwing something together quickly to send you for free. Seems like quite the headache for some cosmetic changes which could be potentially harmful structurally.
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