OHV & Random Camping Ban - What you can do !!

Cklink69 · Feb 23, 2017

Everyone, PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE FILLING OUT THE QUESTIONNAIRE, THERE ARE 2 TRICK QUESTIONS

The Alberta NDP Government with input of Environmental Lobbyist’s are working to close OHV access AND Random Camping along the Eastern Slopes. Castle Area is only the beginning, Bighorn and other areas along the entire Rockies are targeted. If you want to preserve your ability to enjoy these areas, now is the time to make your voice heard !! We need to stand together and support Castle.

The Government is taking public input for 60 days, and every user just needs to take 15 minutes to make a difference. I assure you the Environmental Activists in favor of closing OUR recreation activities are putting their input in – so we NEED to have our voices heard.

I have attached an “Take Action Sheet” of what you can do. These steps WILL make a difference in our ability to fight this, but everyone has to step up. Share with your friends, family – everyone. Attached this on a printable form within the email to share.

1. Do the online survey. This is the Government’s main vehicle for input on this decision.
https://talkaep.alberta.ca/CastleManagementPlan/survey_tools/castle-provincial-park-and-castle-wildland-provincial-park-management-plan-survey
You can do this survey for everyone in you family, so please do ! IMPORTANT - There are trick/misleading questions in this survey, please see further down for details on how to complete.

2. Email the Parks Planner at ABParks.PlanComments@gov.ab.ca
Simply state your support for OHV use to remain on designated trails and why, and your input on keeping random camping. Every email to her is recorded and will be used to provide feedback.

3. Do the Online Petitions:
https://www.change.org/p/melissa-verbaas-ohv-use-in-castle-parks?
https://www.change.org/p/amend-castle-provincial-park-castle-wildland-provincial-park-plan-to-include-ohv-use

4. Write your MLA or Shannon Phillips. The above three will have more impact but do not hesitate to write her, just remember to BCC the opposition to ensure it gets read.

AEP ONLINE SURVEY QUESTIONS – BE CAREFUL

Question #4: To what extent do you agree or disagree that a transition period is necessary for the elimination of recreational off-highway vehicle use in Castle Provincial Park and Castle Wildland Provincial Park to adjacent public lands?
Caution: This question is misleading - Strongly Agree means you feel OHV should be banned immediately. Strongly Disagree means you feel it should be banned in 3 years.
If you feel OHV access should remain in Castle, answer NEITHER DISAGREE OR AGREE. Then state your position in the comment boxes on upcoming questions by referring to Question 4 - and state that you believe OHV access on designated trails should remain in the Castle Area.

Question #5 To what extend do you agree with the designation of rustic group camping areas in the provincial park?
Caution: The intent of this questions is if you support having to book/reserve stall sites site to REPLACE random camping. These camp areas will be hardened off and will have picnic tables, fire rings, a central washroom and garbage, and spots will contain between 3-6 RV units.
If you support Random Camping, answer NEITHER DISAGREE OR AGREE, and then state your position in the comment boxes on upcoming questions by referring to Question 5 - and state that you believe Random Camping should remain in the Castle Parks Area.

Example:
Question # 4 – I want OHV access on designated trails to remain in Castle parks, I do NOT support banning it.
Question #5 – I want Random Camping to remain in Castle parks, I do NOT support removing it.

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tex78 · Feb 23, 2017

Good work

sent while drinking tea's

arff · Feb 23, 2017

Good work

Val Senio
Royal LePage
780-405-9359

arff · Feb 23, 2017

Let's keep this post at the top,,,,,

Val Senio
Royal LePage
780-405-9359

tex78 · Feb 23, 2017

Yep, good idea

sent while drinking tea's

Lem Lamb · Feb 24, 2017

Yes'er, the GOA beet us to the Big Horn back in 2001/2, so it's a easy walk threw the park "so too speak" on this Castle Area idea.

Yes that our brothers and sisters in the Southern part of Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC "could" loose out, then this mentality will continue North-ward up the Eastern Slopes of Alberta.

Here's my "guess" and only that.

North Coalman, McLane Creek, Whats left of Vigorous, Hunters Valley, Lime Stone, the lower Cut off creek, Humming Bird that is "Onion Lake/Big Horn area, Chungo, Cardinal, South Hinton, North Hinton, Grande Cache then finishing off West of GP Kakwa Falls area.

780 ish kms long by Crow flight.

North Waterton Nation Park gate via FTR run that lands you at Good-win along ways North of Muskeg will set the odometer at 1180 kms,,, providing one does not detour much off the main road.

My 7th run put me at 5800 kms by dual sport motorcycle a few years back.

She'll be an up hill battle if we all don't step up too the plate.

30 to 40 are game too try, but numbers with 000 behind the 30 and 40 speak much louder.

Just trying too keep this thread active as game planning moves forward.

Don from the Americas

arff · Feb 24, 2017

Interesting how they word the questions

Val Senio
Royal LePage
780-405-9359

tex78 · Feb 24, 2017

arff said:
Interesting how they word the questions

Val Senio
Royal LePage
780-405-9359

It's not interesting, it's total b.s

That's point blank tricking people, typical n.d.p move

sent while drinking tea's

whoDEANie · Feb 24, 2017

tex78 said:
It's not interesting, it's total b.s

That's point blank tricking people, typical n.d.p move

sent while drinking tea's

Actually, we saw these kind of questions a couple years back on the North and South Saskatchewan regional plan surveys as well.

tex78 · Feb 24, 2017

Typical government crap

Same as mechanic final exam questions, where they ask stupid question and trick you for a answer, rather than ask questions that deal with what you have learned

sent while drinking tea's

arff · Feb 24, 2017

Needs to be a Sticky and stay up top for a few weeks,,Mods???

Cklink69 · Feb 24, 2017

Letters & Info.

1. Alberta Fish & Game Support Letter
2. Feb 24 AOHVA Letter
3. Shannon Phillips letter to Quad Squad stating OHV "Would" remain.
4. CCWC Column Supporting the Ban. Note the "Vigorous Engagement" comment, make sure you do the survey !!"

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Lem Lamb · Feb 24, 2017

Question time please ???

So being if one or many feel that free consultation did not take place as offered in the SSRB plan, does this allow one too call or ask for a court blockage too this bill or supposable park plan.

Are we thinking this is a done deal, or can a Provincial court judge weigh these option of putting this process on hold.

Just asking as this is a practic well used in the USA.

Don

arff · Feb 24, 2017

Very good question Don,,,,

Cklink69 · Feb 24, 2017

Hi Don,
Not a done deal, public pressure & input will be the main variable on this for the "public input" period.
Regarding Legal possibility, the SSRP "amendment" was passed similar to a ministerial order (like executive order) instead of passed through house. While not "illegal", Ethical is very much at the forefront - considering the decision went against public majority in favor of Environmental Lobby Group direction. There are people reviewing this in conjunction with other actions, it WILL be brought up when the house returns - but we need the "user input & response" in numbers to support this issue. Public can also email contact the Ethics Commissioner on this directly - AFTER they do the survey

Lem Lamb · Feb 24, 2017

Its a thought out question as I recall something like this from my young learning days. Ha.

One can/ should not resist being arrested or charged with what ever the system deems wrong, "attending officer." But when the case is read in a court of law providing the facts that are relevant too a "so called crime(s)" that are weighed out in balance by a Judge or jury that must work with in one's constitutional right.

Law is not a privilege yet it can decide on it if it deems a particular case "could / or should" be heard.

My Pops is always thinking, of course, seeking a path of a Judicial System too fact finding "that" is a long and arguis road.

Cklink69 · Feb 24, 2017

The government did not perform ANY economic study on the impact of this, so here's some to take a look at.

Lem Lamb · Feb 24, 2017

Yes ^^^

Those of us that watched the live link of the Crows Nest Pass meeting that the Quad Squad had that night seen those charts.

The Alberta Government used a graft chart from the USA as a guide line of quad too land impact ratio because they did not have one "nor" attempted too do one here in Alberta since they didn't have time.

The USA model is a fulse chart too put into their draft plan as it does not represent Alberta's OHV and snowmobile units two land impact.

At least from what we gathered at the meeting at Hi Line Polaris that night.

Don

Cklink69 · Feb 24, 2017

Okay let’s do the Random Camping now, what you need to know.

It’s proposed to be banned completely in the entire 100,310 Hectares (385.3 sq/mi) of the Castle Area. It is estimated (Sat/Aerial/) that there are typically ~400 random camp sites in the region with typically 2-8 units per site during the summer. Roughly 800-3200 units in the area.
"Rustic Camping Sites” will replace random camping, these will be hardened off sites (pad, washroom, fire ring, etc) each with capacity for 3-6 units. There will be SIX of these. Total capacity of Castle “Rustic Camping Experience” will be around 36 units.
There may be a couple of the larger sites (picture attached) at the 2 existing provincial sites, which by the picture will be ready for the hikers & bird watchers showing up in their 30’ foot 5[SUP]th[/SUP]-wheels as described below . This will bring the total amount of units in Castle to around 84 units, displacing 716 to 3116 units to camp elsewhere in Alberta.
No – I am NOT making this up. Proof is in the pics. This is all from the Management Plan.

DO THE SURVEY AND VOICE YOUR INPUT !!

Lem Lamb · Feb 26, 2017

A lesson learned in my America travels is too never camp as it causes the powers that be too think that one is considering too be a "squatter"...

It's all in the words we choose at this point forward.
I'm am not camping officer as I'm pooped out and decided its time too have a "rest"... Better too do this then have a wreck on the highway isn't it ???

I rested every where for free across all the Americas on many trips as I continue this resting idea on many more.

Red triangles at the ready incase I find a nice camp spot,,, whoops "resting" spot on the Ontario 401 by a swamp surrounded by miles of endless corn fields. Ha.

Resting is allowed in this nation as its a tool we could choose to use from here on in.

Always good too share in ideas as we improve frugal ways to achieve each of our goals.

Don

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