Y 2 Y - Future plans - Lets get cracking

[rknight111]

The Y2Y is just starting with the castle they want to make a corridor all the way up to the top of alberta. They are tied tight with the Alberta NDP government
This will also affect portions of BC



There website is. https://y2y.net/work/what-hot-projects/alberta-headwaters/new-alberta-headwaters

We need to view this, comment on sites, fill out questionnaires. Show up at rally's. If you think Catamin, Brule, Nordig, kakwa, Rocky mountain house, livingston are safe, your wrong, there the next targets.
I been commenting on the following facebook links,
Love castle parks.
Stephen Legault page
Kevin Van Tighem page.

Stephen is the Canadian director for y2y. Kevin is a conservationist that has a real problem with ohv users, you can see this by visiting his fb page.

We need everyone to help here.


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[oldrzr]

Thanks for the info Ron. Will keep on it. Lets get everyone out for the next rally and show them that we are serious

 

[doorfx]

X2......

 

[imdoo'n]

^^^^^^^^ x3 ^^^^^^^

 

[tex78]

Wow, feel sorry for you guys and your government snuck stuff under the table and blinders are on

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[rknight111]

Here is one of Kevin's fb posts with his recommendations

"A friend shared a paper from Nova Scotia that looked at the costs/benefits of motorized OHV recreation versus non-motorized (what they call AT or active transportation but what others call quiet recreation). I've extracted some bits relevant to Alberta. This province is spending a lot of energy on something that really only matters to a minority who refuse to enjoy nature on foot -- at the expense of many thousands of Alberta families, hunters, anglers, hikers and others who just want to enjoy natural places that aren't full of noise, vehicles and mud:

Deconstructing a myth - Identifying ATVing’s Health, Environmental, Economic and Social impacts.
By
Glyn Bissix, PhD and Justin Medicraft, Acadia University
Wolfville, NS, Canada
17 February 2009

Executive Summary
In response to claims… that recreational All Terrain Vehicle use (ATVing) is a healthy, active lifestyle that also brings environmental and economic benefits to the province, this paper examines the scientific, policy and industry literature to investigate the validity of such claims and compares ATVing and snowmobiling with equivalent evidence from [non-motorized] Active Transportation (AT)…. This paper examined the literature catalogued in several scientific indexes, particularly PubMed and Sport Discuss, to compare the health, environmental, economic and social costs and benefits of ATVing and AT.
This study drew the following conclusions:

 Healthy, Active Lifestyle: The results clearly indicate a dearth of evidence supporting ATVing as a healthy, active lifestyle. In contrast, there is overwhelming evidence that ATVing creates a substantial health burden on participants, families and the Province and that the health benefits of [non-motorized] active transportation far exceed any costs attributed to active transportation.

 Environmentally Friendly Recreation Activity: There appears to be little or no justification, based on the available scientific evidence, for believing that ATVing is environmentally friendly. On the contrary, there is substantial evidence that ATVing causes extensive environmental damage to our landscape, particularly within pristine landscapes, and on a per user basis both ATVs and snowmobiles contribute substantial emissions into our atmosphere. In contrast, [non-motorized] active transportation is seen as an important way to wean automobile drivers away from cars, at least for short trips in reasonable weather. This substitution reduces greenhouse gas emissions which also help to safeguard environmental quality.

 Economic Benefits: While numerous claims are made by the ATV and snowmobile industry and users that ATVing and snowmobiling bring important economic benefits to the Province, these calculations largely focus on economic activity rather than on the costs and benefits. When full cost accounting is considered, such claims appear dubious as gross economic sales leak substantial revenue to suppliers located in Quebec, the USA and abroad. In addition, the estimates of health care and environmental costs of these activities are substantial. On the other hand private and public investments in [non-motorized] active transportation are considerably smaller on a per capita basis and the relative economic benefits, especially in terms of health care savings, the indirect savings from greenhouse gas and environmental damage reductions, as well as the benefits derived from tourism development are substantially larger.

 Social Benefits: Here the evidence is equivocal. Anecdotal evidence suggests that ATVing and snowmobiling are fun and social activities that bring social benefits to participants. This must be considered, however, against the tremendous social costs of trauma and death particularly resulting from ATV morbidity and mortality. In addition, the social costs to communities adjacent to ATV and snowmobile trails, whether dedicated or informally used, must be evaluated in the context of the noise irritant and associated health damage, other types of users displacement because of safety concerns, and the nuisance and danger of illegal access across private lands and public highways. In contrast there is considerable evidence of social benefits resulting from active travel, and any social costs attributed to active transportation are much smaller and the net social benefits much larger.

Public Policy Considerations:
Given the overall weight of evidence, the authors conclude that there is little or no justification…to support ATVing or snowmobiling as a healthy, active lifestyle on either health, environmental, or economic grounds, and the evidence provides sufficient concern that any social benefits attributable to these activities are substantially outweighed by their social costs. Based on risk analyses conducted in numerous epidemiology studies throughout North America and elsewhere, ATVing is considered unsafe for drivers of any age but particularly dangerous for children, youth and young adults.
ATVing is damaging to landscapes and to the atmosphere. Given the government‘s commitment to concrete reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, to reducing pollution and to protecting pristine landscapes… the government‘s support of ATVing and snowmobiling appears to be in direct contravention of… legislation‘s intent.
Given the dubious claims for economic and social benefits, and the absence of health and environmental benefits, there is little or no justification to suggest that recreational ATVing and snowmobiling can be considered a public good warranting public funding and support. Neither can recreational ATVing and snowmobiling be considered a merit good (where there is shared benefit between private and public interests) as no public interest can be demonstrated. In falling short of banning recreational ATVing and snowmobiling outright as a consequence of their health and environmental costs, these activities should be considered a private good where all the costs and the provision of recreational settings should be borne by the private sector. The public interest is served only by appropriate regulation and enforcement…

Recommendations…
4. Given the health and environmental costs of ATVing the role of the provincial government should be one of regulating and monitoring not promotion.
5. Given the extreme risk of ATVing, recreational ATVing should be restricted to children 16years and older, and adults who hold a valid driver‘s license as well as specialized ATV instruction and certification.
6. Given the public‘s concern regarding ATVing and the need to enact strategies that further… Environmental Goals and Prosperity… an immediate moratorium should be proclaimed on the public funding of ATV and snowmobile trails and programs.
7. Recreational ATVing and snowmobiling should be considered a private good (as opposed to a merit or public good) and while carefully regulated for safety and environmental practices, ATVing and snowmobiling should be funded fully by the private sector on closed courses of consenting private landowners with proof of adequate third party insurance, and the requirement for local government planning permission.
8. Minimum standards should be developed for ATV emissions. Retrofitting of low emission engines and fuel systems should be phased in over three to five years.
9. Based on the available scientific evidence the [government] should make a clear statement of the health and environmental benefits and costs of ATVing and snowmobiling.
10. We finally recommend that the government make clear the relative worth to…society of ATVing and snowmobiling compared to [non-motorized] Active Transportation and direct its financial and programming resources accordingly."




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[rknight111]

Clearly the dude just hates snowmobiling and quadding. Feel bad for him. Every one of his posts is against us. I went in and gave an angry face as i cannot post on his page


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[catinthehat]

Wow, feel sorry for you guys and your government snuck stuff under the table and blinders are on

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Nobody snuck anything in, this has been coming for years. It's about time the blinders came off of the public and they started standing up for themselves. We have been fighting against y to y for years in our area, mostly the Flathead area in south of Cranbrook. Every now and then the greenies take another run at it and if nobody is paying attention they will get away with it here as well.

 

[Billy Boy]

Nobody snuck anything in, this has been coming for years. It's about time the blinders came off of the public and they started standing up for themselves. We have been fighting against y to y for years in our area, mostly the Flathead area in south of Cranbrook. Every now and then the greenies take another run at it and if nobody is paying attention they will get away with it here as well.

Totally agree with the above. If the Y2Y ever comes near to what they want we won't even be able to drive to B.C.!!!! We will only be able to look at pictures of the mountains in a coffee table book because we the environmentally unwashed will not be allowed to set foot there again!!!!

 

[Summitric]

Why are manufacturer's and dealers not behind this more?? Wtf??

 

[TylerG]

Why are manufacturer's and dealers not behind this more?? Wtf??

who says that they aren't?

They all have to be very cautious with what they post on social media, just like you would with your business.

The Big 4 are behind us, and some dealers are far more worried than others.

 

[Summitric]

who says that they aren't?

They all have to be very cautious with what they post on social media, just like you would with your business.

The big 4 are behind us, and some dealers are far more worried than others.

it will affect the dealers, more than anyone.... I would suggest all Alberta dealers form a consortium of one form or another, and each contribute a $ into a fund for lobbying, possible court action, club support etc.... I do believe this to be coming quicker than anyone expects. Word all through different govt departments that I deal with, or know friends in different depts., isn't good.... Shannon Phillips is gonna get her way, one way or another

 

[Lem Lamb]

Yuppers, the stock market on horses jumped today by 10 points with this announcement of OHV's and Snowmobiles being band from the mountains.

Ho Hummmmm, life will be bland once again in the dark city lights.

Lem

 

[TylerG]

it will affect the dealers, more than anyone.... I would suggest all Alberta dealers form a consortium of one form or another, and each contribute a $ into a fund for lobbying, possible court action, club support etc.... I do believe this to be coming quicker than anyone expects. Word all through different govt departments that I deal with, or know friends in different depts., isn't good.... Shannon Phillips is gonna get her way, one way or another

the dealers already pay into a fund for lobbying court action etc, every wheeled vehicle sold in CANADA pools into a fund of money managed by the COHV. There is money there, and it is being used to fight against these changes.

Rumor is also flying that Mrs Notley and Mrs Phillips are not getting along at all and are not speaking, and this all came after the Castle Park announcement..... I think Mrs Notley is pizzed right off with the amount of correspondence coming across her desk on a daily basis in regards to these changes.

We are not backing down on our fight, we will continue..... soon as I get back from Idaho.

 

[Summitric]

the dealers already pay into a fund for lobbying court action etc, every wheeled vehicle sold in canada pools into a fund of money managed by the cohv. There is money there, and it is being used to fight against these changes.

Rumor is also flying that mrs notley and mrs phillips are not getting along at all and are not speaking, and this all came after the castle park announcement..... I think mrs notley is pizzed right off with the amount of correspondence coming across her desk on a daily basis in regards to these changes.

We are not backing down on our fight, we will continue..... Soon as i get back from idaho.

good information to know... The average joe doesn't know much about any of this...

 

[whoDEANie]

Only 19 days left in the consultation period and I missed the AHOVA conference call on Wednesday. Does anyone know if we have a professional lobbyist working on our side yet?

Also, I see lots (but not enough) articles related to OHV user rights, the shady way that the current management plan came into effect, and how only .01% of OHV users are the problem. However, I still haven't seen anything on TV or read any article refuting claims regarding the level of detrimental impact that OHV's are making, how we are not compromising drinking water, how the Y2Y reports regarding linear disturbance are skewed and irrelevant...

 

[rknight111]

There not liking me anymore, can't post on any fb pages anymore. So i need you to


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[whoDEANie]

What is Y2Y really after? This...

(I'd argue that there is even more to it than that. I'm convinced they are just using funding from people with agendas that compliment their own demented agenda.)

 

[whoDEANie]

Has anyone challenged the sincerity of Notely's declaration of support for pipeline projects like the Northern Gateway pipeline? She has openly declared her commitment to the Yellowstone to Yukon initiative which would preclude the construction of pipelines through the corridor.