Xmr

[Bezzola]

I am looking at the 650 I know it has the rad relocate but the site doesn't say if it has snorkels and can't see any in the pics

 

[the_real_wild1]

The big xmr has the snorkels hidden. the smaller bike should have them too but you won't be able to see them in the pics.

 

[rzrgade]

The 650 xmr has them too,hidden though. For the same money i would buy an 850 scrambler or XP though.....The 650 handles brutal with even worse clutching........Mine was very dissaponting. Just my opinion though.........

 

[the_real_wild1]

That because it isnt a max chassis lol.

 

[rzrgade]

Neither was my old 850 XP......I dont think you should have to but a two up chassis just to be able to ride the thing.........
I found the XP handled better, more power,WAY better clutching, and more ground clearence ETC ETC....
Plus you dont have too just about give it away to sell it,like a canam.......

Sorry but the CANAM G2 s handle brutal...........They say "its all about the ride", they were not BSing, thats for sure.........LOL
Sorry but after owning a renegade and XMR and XP850, the XP was the far better bike in terms of overall performance while riding........I will concede the Canam has much better build quality though !

 

[the_real_wild1]

One day you will have to ride mine. But I do have the last year model of the g1. Didn't think the g2 chassis would ride that different

 

[drew562]

One thing that makes it handle bad is the tires imo. When mud zillas came out many years ago I had a cat 500 with mud bugs on it. 6000 miles on it and they were bald. I rode that quad as fast as it would go allthe time. Then I ordered mudzillas 28" and I could barely keep it on the trail. They darted all over and were rough as hell. I then sold that quad and got the first year brute force 750 and kept the mudzillas for it. Same result. Terrible handling. Back to bugs for me and sold those tires to a friend who wanted them. He put them on his new rubicon and couldn't keep that on the trail at any decent speeds either. Has anyone tried the 650xmr with any other tire? I have gen2 renny 1000 and have never been on a quad that can handle high speed trails like it. Other than my old raptor700. This Makes me wonder if changing the tires to zillas or bugs would improve the handling. Now I really would like to ride a 650xmr and see for myself. I have tried pretty much every mud tire available and mudzillas are by far the worst tires ever for trails. I'm not saying I don't beilive rzrgade opinion cause I do. I'm trying to place the blame on the tires.

 

[DaveB]

Neither was my old 850 XP......I dont think you should have to but a two up chassis just to be able to ride the thing.........
I found the XP handled better, more power,WAY better clutching, and more ground clearence ETC ETC....
Plus you dont have too just about give it away to sell it,like a canam.......

Sorry but the CANAM G2 s handle brutal...........They say "its all about the ride", they were not BSing, thats for sure.........LOL
Sorry but after owning a renegade and XMR and XP850, the XP was the far better bike in terms of overall performance while riding........I will concede the Canam has much better build quality though !

The G2 Can Ams do NOT handle brutal. The entry-level 650 XMR with entry-level shocks, and entry-level Mudzilla (awful) tires does not handle as good as one with better tires and better shocks....regardless the brand. The intent of the 650 XMR is to give a person the option of a mud-ready machine without breaking the bank. Rzrgade neglects to mention his XP was gone through by him from front to rear...lifts, axles, snorkels, rad relocate, etc. He also claims it was cheaper. If you compare year old holdovers to new showroom prices, yes. But apples to apples...the Can Am's and PoPos are nearly the same price....and you don't have to go buy 4 axles right away just to ride the Can Ams. Clutching generally needs some sorting on the CA's, but it's rideable as is. The comment about losing money on a Cam Am resale is bullcrap as well. REALLY? Thanks to PoPo's past reputation, the new models ALSO don't hold value. He lost his a$$ because he bought a brand new XMR650, then decided he didn't like it after 1 ride. Sorry....that's the way it goes. If I went and bought a brand new Xp850 this afternoon, trailered it home, then sold it as used with 0.5 km on it, I too would lose money.

 

[High Velocity]

....and you don't have to go buy 4 axles right away just to ride the Can Ams.

Don't have to with the XP either. I haven't broke an axle yet on my '10 850XP. I do think the Can Ams have really good build quality, but I'll take the superior ride, handling and ergonomics of my XP over a Can Am any day.



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[the_real_wild1]

I think the only real issue with the can ams' is the programming. The fact that there is a light coming on when the winch or eps is used hard is crap. Not a big deal as you just shut the machine of and restart, but still shouldn't happen.

 

[youngpolarisguy]

....and you don't have to go buy 4 axles right away just to ride the Can Ams.

5000 very hard km on my 850 xp and haven't broke one axle. plus the 850 doesn't weigh 1000lbs. Rode with a 1000 xmr a while back, one hell of a machine with some nice features but he rolled across the scales at 1100lb.

 

[DaveB]

Don't have to with the XP either. I haven't broke an axle yet on my '10 850XP. I do think the Can Ams have really good build quality, but I'll take the superior ride, handling and ergonomics of my XP over a Can Am any day.



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try some real tires and get back to me. Proven fact...the PoPo axles SUCK.

Edit: hey....I am not turning this into a brand bash war....just need to respond to Rzrgade (who is a friend BTW)....he tends to lean a bunch towards the machines he's loved and tell convenient stories....while these stories are true, there is few missing sections that tell the WHOLE story. I LIKE the new XP PoPo's....they're fine. But for someone to suggest the G2 Can Am's handle badly....well this is just missleading. I'm pretty sure the GNCC results and the MudNats results tell a different story.

 

[rzrgade]

My 650xmr had silverback X lites from day one......Good tires ,It was not a tire issue !!!!! ****ty handling PERIOD.....The same tires are on my wildcat and they ride great.......
Ray (arff ) rode the bike, ask him how it handled............?




Sorry but there are plenty of other bikes that compete with a a Canam....

As far as value goes i can buy a 850 XP, mod the chit it and still be a few $$$$ cheaper than an stock 800/1000 XMR.... That is a fact, i know ,been there done it....You can buy an 850 XP 9000 ish.........Whats an xmr 1000 worth 16 ish...lol......
Axles are 850$ for a popo........Lift 300$ and rad relocate 170 $$ Wooopiee...........
What is a new aftermarket primary & secondary worth on a Canam...A hell of a lot more than 850 $$$

No bashing just my honest opinion........Sorry. As for resale value, popo is much better than canam....Just a fact. Had 2 calls on my 650 xmr,bout 72 on my 850.............

 

[DaveB]

My 650xmr had silverback X lites from day one......Good tires ,It was not a tire issue !!!!! ****ty handling PERIOD.....The same tires are on my wildcat and they ride great.......
Ray (arff ) rode the bike, ask him how it handled............?




Sorry but there are plenty of other bikes that compete with a a Canam....

As far as value goes i can buy a 850 XP, mod the chit it and still be a few $$$$ cheaper than an stock 800/1000 XMR.... That is a fact, i know ,been there done it....You can buy an 850 XP 9000 ish.........Whats an xmr 1000 worth 16 ish...lol......
Axles are 850$ for a popo........Lift 300$ and rad relocate 170 $$ Wooopiee...........
What is a new aftermarket primary & secondary worth on a Canam...A hell of a lot more than 850 $$$

No bashing just my honest opinion........Sorry. As for resale value, popo is much better than canam....Just a fact. Had 2 calls on my 650 xmr,bout 72 on my 850.............

Not facts...sorry bud. OPINIONS. And yours is no better than any one elses. You love your PoPos....but which one was left stock? NONE. You dumped a PILE of time and money into your RZR, your XP and your Ranger....changed tires on the 650 XMR...and it's junk. LOL. You can NOT get a current model year XP for that much less than everyone else. Don't even go there. Oh and an XMR 1000 will do circles around your prized XP with the lift, tires, axles, relocate, two snorkel kits, etc.....

EDIT: and yes, you have been bashing lately.

Edit again: you and Aarf both come from XP quads...arguably the best riding trail machine made (for old bastards riding trails) compare the XMR 650 to a 700 Mudpro or a 750 Kowastuki, or a Queen quad.....they kinda all ride like crap comparatively....

 

[rzrgade]

Now Dave try and be somewhat serious here, the canam race GNCC bikes ARE not the same as the one at my local CA dealer.......Nether are the one that win at mud nats ....ETC ETC
Just to be CLEAR here i am talking about" joe average dude" who buys 10k (ish) bike put 1 to 4 K in mods and rides it......

If you drop enough coin,you can dam near anything compete......lol
Fact is ,no stories...... read my older posts........I have always said the XP 850 is the best bang for the buck....Nothing has changed.

Also take notice of the growing group that ride the new 1000 scrammy, cause they seem like a rather happy bunch.....!!!

I leave you with one question to ponder...........If i had reversed the situation and felt the opposite about the two bikes,,,,,,,,,Would it still be bashing?????????...LOL

I am pretty confident you have bashed every kind other than yellow......I have too as well as yellow.
The difference is i have ridden/owned yellow too.........Though.

 

[DaveB]

Now Dave try and be somewhat serious here, the canam race GNCC bikes ARE not the same as the one at my local CA dealer.......Nether are the one that win at mud nats ....ETC ETC
Just to be CLEAR here i am talking about" joe average dude" who buys 10k (ish) bike put 1 to 4 K in mods and rides it......

If you drop enough coin,you can dam near anything compete......lol
Fact is ,no stories...... read my older posts........I have always said the XP 850 is the best bang for the buck....Nothing has changed.

Also take notice of the growing group that ride the new 1000 scrammy, cause they seem like a rather happy bunch.....!!!

I've read your older posts. You neglect to mention that your XP was a "deal" because it was a year older then the current model. If one could find a year old holdover XMR, that could be a helluv deal too....only there are none. Why is that? You also dropped more coin into your trail rider, Rzrgade machines than most GNCC guys do. You also spend a TON of your own time building, re-building, re-engineering stuff that most people are not capable of doing. You are not being fair in your comparisons.

 

[High Velocity]

Dave, I follow a few Polaris forums and have read that axle quality is an issue from m.y. 2011 and up, but even you must admit that the axles on a Canam are no better. The XMR's are proof of that. I can't count the number of posts I've read on different forums regarding busted axles on XMRs. Take any high powered machine and put extremely agressive tires with stock axles and somethings gotta give. I only have 28" Zillas, but have worked my quad hard in both mud and snow (snow was with 589s and a full box of 500 ice screws). No issues.....yet. I was talking with one of the owners of Riderz and he said he could take any of the XMRs (quad or sxs) and break the axles in 10 minutes if he wanted to. Axles are not a Polaris issue, they're a big power, big tire, heavy throttle issue. Brand doesn't matter.


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[rzrgade]

Sorry fair is not in my vocabulary........Lets have a whisky. ohh btw..........Canams suck ,so do popos, i am now cat guy....
But that is for a whole new thread...........Bahaha

 

[the_real_wild1]

IMO the people are having issues with axles, not because of the axles but because of their riding ability.

 

[DaveB]

Sorry fair is not in my vocabulary........Lets have a whisky. ohh btw..........Canams suck ,so do popos, i am now cat guy....
But that is for a whole new thread...........Bahaha

Lol. Well I have had Cats....lets not go there!