What to do with a lemon vehicle?

[tex78]

Brutal.

GM has also decided to sell the plant that builds these engines to a Chinese company. I wonder if this will be the end of the 2.8?

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/0...iland-sell-rayong-plant-to-great-wall-motors/

Chit happens, parts is made mass produced lol

The cruise and terrain equinox diesel is done I heard yup

 

[ABMax24]

Chit happens, parts is made mass produced lol

The cruise and terrain equinox diesel is done I heard yup

The economics make small diesels hard to justify. We save about 15% on fuel over the V6, but also pay 10% more for diesel over gas right now. Add in the higher purchase price, and evidently more mechanical issues and the savings are hard to find. In full size trucks the difference is definitely justifiable, and I'm really intrigued by the new 3.0 diesel for the 1/2 tons especially at 8.0 L/100km with a 4x4 model.

 

[tex78]

The economics make small diesels hard to justify. We save about 15% on fuel over the V6, but also pay 10% more for diesel over gas right now. Add in the higher purchase price, and evidently more mechanical issues and the savings are hard to find. In full size trucks the difference is definitely justifiable, and I'm really intrigued by the new 3.0 diesel for the 1/2 tons especially at 8.0 L/100km with a 4x4 model.

We sold alot of diesel canyons-colarados

Have sold 2 of the diesel 1/2 ers now

 

[Cdnfireman]

The economics make small diesels hard to justify. We save about 15% on fuel over the V6, but also pay 10% more for diesel over gas right now. Add in the higher purchase price, and evidently more mechanical issues and the savings are hard to find. In full size trucks the difference is definitely justifiable, and I'm really intrigued by the new 3.0 diesel for the 1/2 tons especially at 8.0 L/100km with a 4x4 model.

I think for anything other than towing heavy trailers or hauling heavy for work where you get a return on working the truck, diesels just don’t pencil out. The mileage claims for the half ton diesels are questionable as well. They might get good mileage flat tracking unloaded with no wind, but start hauling a load, working it on hills or into a wind those numbers will drop like crazy. Like any small displacement turbo engine, once the boost goes up so does the fuel consumption. I feel for you with the reliability issues you’re experiencing. Imagine if this happened outside of warranty. The argument for diesel gets even more indefensible.

 

[ABMax24]

I think for anything other than towing heavy trailers or hauling heavy for work where you get a return on working the truck, diesels just don’t pencil out. The mileage claims for the half ton diesels are questionable as well. They might get good mileage flat tracking unloaded with no wind, but start hauling a load, working it on hills or into a wind those numbers will drop like crazy. Like any small displacement turbo engine, once the boost goes up so does the fuel consumption. I feel for you with the reliability issues you’re experiencing. Imagine if this happened outside of warranty. The argument for diesel gets even more indefensible.

Yeah that's the point we are getting to, if we go from our average of 10 L/100km to 12 L/100km over 200,000 km that's only 4000 liters of extra fuel or $5000 at $1.25/liter. That $5000 barely pays for the diesel option on most small vehicles, never mind the additional service costs outside of warranty. Unless we get a steal of a deal the vehicle that replaces this one will be a gas job.

 

[acesup800]

If you put 200,000 km on it, you will get the cost of the diesel option back at resale. The gasser is worth nothing.

 

[Cyle]

If you put 200,000 km on it, you will get the cost of the diesel option back at resale. The gasser is worth nothing.

Not on a 1500. None of them have a good track record for reliability. The diesel in a 1500 makes no sense.

 

[ABMax24]

If you put 200,000 km on it, you will get the cost of the diesel option back at resale. The gasser is worth nothing.

Not if they are an unreliable piece of junk. Take the 6.4 Powerstroke for example, you almost can't give those trucks away.

I'm not really sure where these motors will sit long term on longevity though, my experience is far too biased to even try to make a prediction on it.

 

[acesup800]

Not if they are an unreliable piece of junk. Take the 6.4 Powerstroke for example, you almost can't give those trucks away.

I'm not really sure where these motors will sit long term on longevity though, my experience is far too biased to even try to make a prediction on it.

Google any model/truck with 200k and compare the diesel and the gas price. Highly doubt any gasser is worth the same, even if it is a 6.4

 

[acesup800]

Not if they are an unreliable piece of junk. Take the 6.4 Powerstroke for example, you almost can't give those trucks away.

I'm not really sure where these motors will sit long term on longevity though, my experience is far too biased to even try to make a prediction on it.

Just googled it for you. Random 2010-2012 Ford F350 gasses with 200k are asking 10-15k less than the diesel. The diesel option is only 9k and you get the fuel benefits as well.

 

[lilduke]

You can get this Bad Boy for under 15K!


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks...50-diesel-leather-dvd-clean-carfax/1467367197

 

[ABMax24]

Just googled it for you. Random 2010-2012 Ford F350 gasses with 200k are asking 10-15k less than the diesel. The diesel option is only 9k and you get the fuel benefits as well.

A 2010 6.4 is barely worth $15k, i doubt the gas jobs are selling for less than $5k. And 2011 up is the 6.7 which is a proven motor and not the point I was making.

But frankly this is comparing apples to oranges, my issue is with mid-sized diesels not full sized. Even if dollar wise you come out a couple grand ahead on a mid-sized diesel the headache of having in it for repairs all the time isn't worth it.

 

[gunner3006]

A 2010 6.4 is barely worth $15k, i doubt the gas jobs are selling for less than $5k. And 2011 up is the 6.7 which is a proven motor and not the point I was making.

But frankly this is comparing apples to oranges, my issue is with mid-sized diesels not full sized. Even if dollar wise you come out a couple grand ahead on a mid-sized diesel the headache of having in it for repairs all the time isn't worth it.

Are they at least putting you in another vehicle temporarily?

 

[ABMax24]

Are they at least putting you in another vehicle temporarily?

Yeah we have a loaner, they've been good about that, as soon as the vehicle is diagnosed as not driveable they supply one.

 

[Cyle]

You can get this Bad Boy for under 15K!


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks...50-diesel-leather-dvd-clean-carfax/1467367197

Well that is the appropriate truck for this thread considering it's the lemon thread....

 

[lilduke]

Well that is the appropriate truck for this thread considering it's the lemon thread....

This is one of the good ones. You should see the all the 2000$ 6.4's out there

 

[Bikeswithtrax]

I think for anything other than towing heavy trailers or hauling heavy for work where you get a return on working the truck, diesels just don’t pencil out. The mileage claims for the half ton diesels are questionable as well. They might get good mileage flat tracking unloaded with no wind, but start hauling a load, working it on hills or into a wind those numbers will drop like crazy. Like any small displacement turbo engine, once the boost goes up so does the fuel consumption. I feel for you with the reliability issues you’re experiencing. Imagine if this happened outside of warranty. The argument for diesel gets even more indefensible.

I have bought a lot of pickups over the years, even tried 4 diesels hoping that they would be better than the last one. I am done with diesels in pickup trucks, gas only from now on. A V8 gas engine will pull anything I need to pull. If I need more truck than that, will pull the big trailers with a semi tractor.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Just googled it for you. Random 2010-2012 Ford F350 gasses with 200k are asking 10-15k less than the diesel. The diesel option is only 9k and you get the fuel benefits as well.

What fuel benefits??

 

[acesup800]

What fuel benefits??

Mileage.
Also I realize not for Albertans, but in the lower mainland, diesel is almost 20 cents cheaper than 87 and 34 cents cheaper than premium if you are running a 6.2 chev.

 

[Bikeswithtrax]

Mileage.
Also I realize not for Albertans, but in the lower mainland, diesel is almost 20 cents cheaper than 87 and 34 cents cheaper than premium if you are running a 6.2 chev.

In the Shuswap where I live diesel is way more expensive than regular gasoline.