Unbelievable .....?

[maxwell]

i dont have a problem with the concept myself. As electric vehicles get more popular ( and dont kid yourself its coming faster than you think ) its good to have the infastructure in place.

What i do have a problem with is how its funded. is the government going to put 2.7 million into gas rebates to people that drive efficient fossil fuel powered vehicles? not a chance. so why should the tax payers foot the bill for this. What should happen is BC Hydro should fund the entire project, the government should keep its Mitts out of it and BC hydro should operate those units as a business. The consumer paying for the charge should pay for the install, maintenance and upgrade of the stations. Simple. im not against electric vehicles but if i have to pay to fill up at the pumps then so should electric vehicle owners without being subsidized by the government.

 

[snopro]

i dont have a problem with the concept myself. As electric vehicles get more popular ( and dont kid yourself its coming faster than you think ) its good to have the infastructure in place.

What i do have a problem with is how its funded. is the government going to put 2.7 million into gas rebates to people that drive efficient fossil fuel powered vehicles? not a chance. so why should the tax payers foot the bill for this. What should happen is BC Hydro should fund the entire project, the government should keep its Mitts out of it and BC hydro should operate those units as a business. The consumer paying for the charge should pay for the install, maintenance and upgrade of the stations. Simple. im not against electric vehicles but if i have to pay to fill up at the pumps then so should electric vehicle owners without being subsidized by the government.

Quit making sense!!

 

[The big greasy]

Pretty tough to come up with a stupider idea than an electric fire truck!!

Only 2 more hours to get full charge and we will be at your house fire as soon as possible lol

 

[Flapjack]

Quit making sense!!

Makes sense if you don't include the $Billions of Canadian govt subsidies oil companies get...it's disgusting. Check it out.

 

[tex78]

And the last few days, California was telling people not to charge


Lmfao what a joke

 

[ABMax24]

And the last few days, California was telling people not to charge


Lmfao what a joke

No they weren't.

They were telling all consumers to reduce demand, or shift it to lower use periods like the middle of the night.

 

[tex78]

No they weren't.

They were telling all consumers to reduce demand, or shift it to lower use periods like the middle of the night.

Oh, that's convenient


That's telling people not to charge lol

 

[ABMax24]

Oh, that's convenient


That's telling people not to charge lol

Pretty big difference between don't charge your electric car, and please conserve electricity because it's hot as balls and we can't afford to have widescale blackouts due to the intense energy consumption from the use of air conditioners.

But spin the story however you wish, seems to be the way the world works now, there are always 2 totally different stories based loosely on the same event.

 

[FernieHawk]

Pretty big difference between don't charge your electric car, and please conserve electricity because it's hot as balls and we can't afford to have widescale blackouts due to the intense energy consumption from the use of air conditioners.

But spin the story however you wish, seems to be the way the world works now, there are always 2 totally different stories based loosely on the same event.

What if 90% of the vehicles were electric instead of the few percent it is now? Would there be a problem?

 

[ABMax24]

What if 90% of the vehicles were electric instead of the few percent it is now? Would there be a problem?

What if those electric vehicles have vehicle to grid capability, and can prevent blackouts by selling back a small portion of the energy in their batteries to the grid during times of extreme energy demand?

 

[Flapjack]

What if those electric vehicles have vehicle to grid capability, and can prevent blackouts by selling back a small portion of the energy in their batteries to the grid during times of extreme energy demand?

I think they already can ?
They say they can power a house so why not, the power grids would love it if we all had a battery wall to run the house at peak times daily.

 

[ABMax24]

I think they already can ?
They say they can power a house so why not, the power grids would love it if we all had a battery wall to run the house at peak times daily.

Yes and no, physically yes some electric car models are capable of this, it's the regulatory side of things hampering this the most right now. It will happen eventually, and could be easily implemented into a "smart grid".

There are people in the states, especially on the eastern coast where power outages due to storms are common, that have setup ad-hoc inverters off their EV batteries to power their houses during an outage.

 

[snopro]

Pretty big difference between don't charge your electric car, and please conserve electricity because it's hot as balls and we can't afford to have widescale blackouts due to the intense energy consumption from the use of air conditioners.

But spin the story however you wish, seems to be the way the world works now, there are always 2 totally different stories based loosely on the same event.

Its all fine and Dandy when you are setting your alarm clock for 3am to charge your car and your neighbour has had his car plugged in since 7pm. Some may comply with a request like that but most will just tell the state to pound sand. Lol

 

[Cdnfireman]

Makes sense if you don't include the $Billions of Canadian govt subsidies oil companies get...it's disgusting. Check it out.

I defy you to show an example where the oil industry got anything close to the direct subsidies that the green energy schemes get.

 

[Cdnfireman]

What if those electric vehicles have vehicle to grid capability, and can prevent blackouts by selling back a small portion of the energy in their batteries to the grid during times of extreme energy demand?

Do you honestly believe that the average person would deplete their vehicle battery to power their electric grid When there was an elecricity shortage? Would you risk your mobility to power your neighbours pool heater? Sounds to me like another pie in the sky never gonna happen scenario to justify green energy

 

[ABMax24]

Do you honestly believe that the average person would deplete their vehicle battery to power their electric grid When there was an elecricity shortage? Would you risk your mobility to power your neighbours pool heater? Sounds to me like another pie in the sky never gonna happen scenario to justify green energy

Your saying you wouldn't sell the electricity in a car battery for $100 if it only cost you $10 to charge it in the first place? Because those are literally the spreads seen on the Alberta power pool during peak demand. Those of us in the stock market would jump at the chance to do such a thing.

Of course you'd be able to set discharge limits so you could get to work or wherever the next day.

 

[ABMax24]

Its all fine and Dandy when you are setting your alarm clock for 3am to charge your car and your neighbour has had his car plugged in since 7pm. Some may comply with a request like that but most will just tell the state to pound sand. Lol

You'd pre-program the car to start charging in the middle of the night, you wouldn't need to set an alarm clock.

What will eventually happen is home car chargers will be connected to a "smart grid" that will allow the grid operator to slow or stop the charger during periods of peak demand to prevent blackouts. Another option would be to have EV's pay the same rate as wholesale electricity prices, so there would be a financial incentive to charge at off-peak times and as a result stabilize the load on the grid.

The power grid is in some ways going to become like the stock market, before no one had a means of storing electricity, but with the advent of grid-scale batteries and the pumped hydro storage project being built near Hinton there is a significant amount of money to be earned buying electricity cheaply during periods of low demand to sell at peak prices during periods of high demand. These projects will help stabilize both the grid and electricity prices.

Here are the pool prices on the Alberta power grid from the last 24hrs, as you can see there's money to be made buying at $29/mwh to sell at $147/mwh:

 

[Flapjack]

I defy you to show an example where the oil industry got anything close to the direct subsidies that the green energy schemes get.

Green subsidies are still transparent

How much does Canada give out in fossil fuel subsidies?​

It’s difficult to know, because federal and provincial governments haven’t transparently reported how much they really provide in fossil fuel subsidies. From what we do know, it’s at least CAD 4.8 billion per year.

Unpacking Canada’s Fossil Fuel Subsidies

Fossil fuel subsidies hold us back and incentivize pollution. How much do Canada's governments subsidize fossil fuels, and why does it matter?

www.iisd.org

 

[Flapjack]

Of course you'd be able to set discharge limits so you could get to work or wherever the next day.

Don't forget to plug the firetruck in

 

[ctd]

From the Socialists stupidity is expected, not that it is an excuse......just the mentality. Only in a socialists' province would Site C be questioned while pushing a electric agenda.

Our ICBC government insurance have some of the highest rates & the whinners whine...the same people voted the goofs in. You would think the same connection should be made when Hydro controls the power for their electric vehicle.....not likely.