TPP Trans Pacific Partnership

[rzrgade]

#1 I was not talking about this site specifically!
#2 Do you really think our government is really trying to sell them cheaper than market value ?
#3 How many $$ have been spent on the the pipeline approval process ? I have no idea, but NEW mega projects ( not already planned & approved) are almost impossible to get started , much less built !
#4 When most Americans ( under Obama )would rather buy oil from nations who are bent on destroying our western life style , rather than their closest neighbours, because our oil is too dirty.....

I rest my case....

 

[Bigblack]

Bnorth needs to study more than just the "news" presented by Liberals. The National Post is not a right wing publication... Andrew Coyne: Forget the Liberal mythology, Canada

 

[deaner]

I think a government showing true leadership should be initiating and backing Canadian companies for these mega projects. For example.....providing backing for a mega refinery for our "dirty" oil. Or pushing through a pipeline to the east so they can refine it out there. Every penny invested into something like this is going to reap huge dividends and multiply many times through our economy.

 

[Bnorth]

Bnorth needs to study more than just the "news" presented by Liberals. The National Post is not a right wing publication... Andrew Coyne: Forget the Liberal mythology, Canada

That's an interesting article but the author kind of hamstrings himself with his own numbers. When $44k and over represents your top 1/3 of income earners does that not look like a problem? Household income of $53k as the median when the average cost of a home is $399k? Wages have not kept pace with the cost of living as a percentage.

 

[rightsideup]

That's an interesting article but the author kind of hamstrings himself with his own numbers. When $44k and over represents your top 1/3 of income earners does that not look like a problem? Household income of $53k as the median when the average cost of a home is $399k? Wages have not kept pace with the cost of living as a percentage.

just my observation is the size of a typical family over generations has gone down yet the size of houses has gone way up. Much of debt is paying 30 year mortgages on homes that are over extravagant

 

[rzrgade]

I think a government showing true leadership should be initiating and backing Canadian companies for these mega projects. For example.....providing backing for a mega refinery for our "dirty" oil. Or pushing through a pipeline to the east so they can refine it out there. Every penny invested into something like this is going to reap huge dividends and multiply many times through our economy.

i am in full agreement...however to achieve this ,the would be government has to be :
Voted in
Remain on power for at least two terms
last but not least have a majority, or realisticly the ( mega projects ) will never happen ....

For example : if Harper said he was going to back a big oil company to build a new mega refinery, what would the naysayers spout out....just imagine !!
Harper helping out his big oil buddies....

 

[Cdnfireman]

If growing the 1% is the answer then how come it isn't working? The 1% is wealthier than it has ever been and yet the standard of living for the middle class has been eroding. Pretty strong evidence that the trickle down economic model first proposed by Reagan doesn't work very well. This is a global economy so the wealthy will invest wherever they can get there best return and often that is not Canada. Not due to taxation but due to labour and safety costs. It's almost always cheaper to produce offshore and increasingly skilled services are being off-shored as well. Much of what makes money in Canada is Crown property (Oil, gas, minerals, forestry, fishing etc) and the Government lets corporations extract these resources very inexpensively and then these corporations are free to take the earnings from public resources and invest them in other Countries.

Again, this 1% argument is a fallacy started by the looney left in the states. The threat to the middle class in Canada is excessive taxation and in the states it's the increasing number of illegal immigrants that drive down the wages for all workers. Imagine you have a roofing company and you're bidding jobs against competitors that pay half of what you pay your guys and don't pay social security, health insurance etc.
Youre correct that huge amounts of money are made off of crown land. But huge money is paid to local workers to develop those resources. To be fair to the resource companies you have to look at cost of development versus profits gained upon sales of those end products.

 

[LennyR]

Again, this 1% argument is a fallacy started by the looney left in the states. The threat to the middle class in Canada is excessive taxation and in the states it's the increasing number of illegal immigrants that drive down the wages for all workers. Imagine you have a roofing company and you're bidding jobs against competitors that pay half of what you pay your guys and don't pay social security, health insurance etc.
Youre correct that huge amounts of money are made off of crown land. But huge money is paid to local workers to develop those resources. To be fair to the resource companies you have to look at cost of development versus profits gained upon sales of those end products.

Very well said fireman, this standard of living erosion crap of the middle and lower classes some have been bleating about may not be so much about the 1% getting richer , I have no idea if the percentage has changed as the population grew, but probably more a result of each generation getting lazier and feeling more and more that they should enjoy the same benefits as the rich folks , but expend less energy and time to do it. You bet there are many unscrupulous employers around, but no way have their numbers increased greater than the feeling of entitlement so many of the younger people seem to display.

 

[ZRrrr]

Looks as though the TPP may be dead! Too many saying it's a bad deal.

Gary Lamphier: TPP trade deal looks dead on arrival | Edmonton Journal

The Trans-Pacific Partnership May be Dead on Arrival | Carlo Dade

 

[X-it]

Thank goodness Steven Harper was in when this deal went down. How much does it cost to own the media? Jimmy Pattison owns a bit of it and man is he rich. They thought it was only radio and television that had to be censored, nobody thought the internet would get this big. Now how to get control of it, own and censor it so that lost sheep go back to knowing what the real truth is. I bet buried in the TPP is the answer. And this to be the biggest reason why the TPP was closed door meetings.