Thoughts on new proposed Bylaw

[Barry Barton]

It has been proved over and over how bad second hand smoke is for everyone, especially kids. I can't even be in a vehicle that's been smoked in and without it affecting me horribly. Even if your opening windows, they are still breathing it in and affected, and it's in EVERYTHING for YEARS. Trust me, I use to be in company vehicles and absolutely refused to be in one with someone who smoked because it affects you. And how many companies even allow smoking in their vehicles, don't see many complaining about that.

I have a hard time breathing if i'm around smoking and my eyes bother me really bad. NOTHING else EVER bothers me, even smoke from anything else and MANY people have this. Imagine how it's damaging lungs that are still developing.

Alcoholism is just as bad for a person, but it only destroys the person doing it, not others THAT is the difference.

The law came in because people are to stupid to raise their children properly. Blame the stupid people for the law. Anyone with half a brain will not be affected by this law.

most of the comments have been real good until u came on since when does alcoholism not affect anyone else in a family. One of my friends would far sooner have a beer after work than take their kids to a organized sport or even see their own kids play a sport. Their is more problems with alcoholics than their is for smokers so before u make a comment like that u should check your facts. Plus with the goverment getting involed with the smoking law is the same as when they took the death penalty away and this got started by all the bleading heart peaple. They think it's not proper to take a eye for a eye but don't let them live with me or in my neighborhood. I've heard it to often that when the crimmanal gets out he goes out and does it again and ruins another life our the family that has to live with the greif. So how many more things do the goverment think they need to stick their nose into and how about all the money they collected for so many months with out doing any work or being in any meetings. So do u think theirs going to be a bylaw for picking money out of our pocket and into theirs I dought it, and i'm sure this will be slid under the carpet like everything else the goverment does. I had my mla at my door the other day and I said if I vote for u and u don't come through with all the promises u have given me I can fire u after 6 months. He said u can't do that and I said I should be able to and do u think this will become a law I dought it. What next will be a bylaw

 

[Cyle]

Alcoholism doesn't hurt anyone but yourself? Look at drunk driving statistics.

I've never smoked a cigarette in my life but I love cigars. I'm not addicted. I could quit right now if I wanted, but i don't want to. I love the taste of cigars, I like to smoke a cigar while i drive, suddenly I am a pathetic criminal? Get off your high horse.

So your saying 100% of alcoholism leads to other things? Try to prove that......To bad you can't and it's not true.

Where did I say it makes you a criminal? Just don't expose kids especially, or anyone else to it, if you want to kill your lungs go right ahead.

 

[Cyle]

most of the comments have been real good until u came on since when does alcoholism not affect anyone else in a family. One of my friends would far sooner have a beer after work than take their kids to a organized sport or even see their own kids play a sport. Their is more problems with alcoholics than their is for smokers so before u make a comment like that u should check your facts. Plus with the goverment getting involed with the smoking law is the same as when they took the death penalty away and this got started by all the bleading heart peaple. They think it's not proper to take a eye for a eye but don't let them live with me or in my neighborhood. I've heard it to often that when the crimmanal gets out he goes out and does it again and ruins another life our the family that has to live with the greif. So how many more things do the goverment think they need to stick their nose into and how about all the money they collected for so many months with out doing any work or being in any meetings. So do u think theirs going to be a bylaw for picking money out of our pocket and into theirs I dought it, and i'm sure this will be slid under the carpet like everything else the goverment does. I had my mla at my door the other day and I said if I vote for u and u don't come through with all the promises u have given me I can fire u after 6 months. He said u can't do that and I said I should be able to and do u think this will become a law I dought it. What next will be a bylaw

No direct proof being a drunk leads to anything else, it's likely but not 100%.

It is 100% that kids breathing in second hand smokes hurts them. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but it will hurt them. What about all these kids with breathing issues, I wonder how many smoking is to blame for?

 

[Cyle]

Sisy. Wa wa..... realy smoking gets u that bad.

Well the caribou closeures leave a bad taste in my mouth. What ya going to do...

To each there own but come one get a back bone. Nothing can be 100 about u all the time.. just sayin

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I haven't had any second hand smoke for years and it won't change. I won't be around anyone who smokes. If i'm coming out of a building and someones smoking at the door to close, I have no issues telling them to go smoke somewhere else. I don't want to breath in that garbage.

It's not about me, this is about kids who can't look out for themselves yet but I hate it just as bad.

 

[arcticdodge]

Also a non smoker. I would like to see smoking banned in vehicles with children. Now at the same time I ride in vehicles with smokers all I ask is that the window goes down some. A good friend of mine smokes and his vehicle has no smell in it. We don't need a law we need common sense. These youngsters are our future and everything we can do to help improve their life/health we should do.

 

[byronkentgraham]

So your saying 100% of alcoholism leads to other things? Try to prove that......To bad you can't and it's not true.

Where did I say it makes you a criminal? Just don't expose kids especially, or anyone else to it, if you want to kill your lungs go right ahead.

Yes 100% alcohol leads to harming people around them. Ever heard of the disease Fetal Alcohol Syndrome? Yet drinking while pregnant isn't illegal. Alcoholism destroys families, costs people jobs, and cost their lives. Perfect example.

The law would make me a criminal. He sits on the back passenger side, my window is rolled down. It's not like I'm driving around with all my windows rolled up, hot boxing my truck.

 

[Riverjet]

It's already law in BC.

 

[kbrunlees]

I can fully understand the passion that both sides have in this discussion, i think we can all agree that smoking is not good for you and that secondhand is not much better. However I think we have taken a differant tack on this argument. Sunshinesmiles, if I understand it, is P.Oed about government involvement about personal choices whether they be right or wrong is not the issue, I am pretty sure that as a mom, Sunshinesmiles is not about to harm her child on purpose. I think we all agree that "government professionals" are getting out of hand.

 

[Cyle]

Yes 100% alcohol leads to harming people around them. Ever heard of the disease Fetal Alcohol Syndrome? Yet drinking while pregnant isn't illegal. Alcoholism destroys families, costs people jobs, and cost their lives. Perfect example.

The law would make me a criminal. He sits on the back passenger side, my window is rolled down. It's not like I'm driving around with all my
windows rolled up, hot boxing my truck.

Ok, keep thinking that 100% of alcoholics are damaging others.

Smoking while pregnant any different? Doubt it.

If your beside someone drinking, nothing is 100% for sure going to happen to you. If your beside someone smoking 100% chance your going to be affected. That simple. There is a difference between smoking and drinking.

I know I hit a nerve, funny how the smokers are so defensive about this.....I know plenty of people who quit smoking the moment they had a kid for the better of their family, I guess everyone isn't that smart. I'd like to see the stats of how likely it is for a kid to smoke when their parents do compared to don't.....

 

[teeroy]

If your beside someone smoking 100% chance your going to be affected. That simple.

what if you are outside and the wind is blowing away from you?

 

[byronkentgraham]

Ok, keep thinking that 100% of alcoholics are damaging others.

Smoking while pregnant any different? Doubt it.

If your beside someone drinking, nothing is 100% for sure going to happen to you. If your beside someone smoking 100% chance your going to be affected. That simple. There is a difference between smoking and drinking.

I know I hit a nerve, funny how the smokers are so defensive about this.....I know plenty of people who quit smoking the moment they had a kid for the better of their family, I guess everyone isn't that smart. I'd like to see the stats of how likely it is for a kid to smoke when their parents do compared to don't.....

100% chance something is going to happen? What if i'm travelling down the highway at 120 KM/H holding it by the open window so the wind pulls the smoke outside the vehicle?

 

[RXN]

Parents used to smoke around us kids, around the age of 5 Mom quit, as I was affected. Lots of coughing fits. Dad quit a few years later. But neither me or my sister ever took up the habbit. Being around smoke still bothers me slightly, but if it bothers me I simply leave. I understand that kids in a car do not have that option, but most (not all) parents (as said earlier) do see or realize if their kids are bothered or affected by being exposed to second hand smoke. And again most of these parents limit the amount that the kids get exposed. I think the biggest beef.about this thread is the fact that the government creates all these common sense laws. It's like being in kindergraden. Seems like you can't make your own choices no more.

 

[~Rowdy~]

Parents used to smoke around us kids, around the age of 5 Mom quit, as I was affected. Lots of coughing fits. Dad quit a few years later. But neither me or my sister ever took up the habbit. Being around smoke still bothers me slightly, but if it bothers me I simply leave. I understand that kids in a car do not have that option, but most (not all) parents (as said earlier) do see or realize if their kids are bothered or affected by being exposed to second hand smoke. And again most of these parents limit the amount that the kids get exposed. I think the biggest beef.about this thread is the fact that the government creates all these common sense laws. It's like being in kindergraden. Seems like you can't make your own choices no more.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that this is not common sense. This past summer hanging around a group of...ahem...classy...guys. And they would smoke weed, swear, smoke cigarettes and hit the dog in front of a 2 year old boy and all the other kids. Well no surprise when the little boy picked up a cigarette, started to pretend to smoke it, hit the dog and swore himself.

I don't think parents should smoke cigarettes around their children at all. Maybe this law is for people like I described as above!? I dunno, people to some extent should be able to govern themselves and make the right choices for themselves and their children. But it doesn't always happen...case and point above. I'm on the fence for this issue.

 

[Bogger]

Neither of my parents smoke, nor did they while I was growing up. Plio (my brother) doesn't smoke

It was a chioce I made, I'll agree not a wise one, but a choice none the less. Fundamentally I don't dissagree with purpose of the law, I do however have an issue with government regulating common sense

As for the "cost of healthcare issue" give it a rest, $7 of every pack I buy is tax, our healthcare system would crumble without tobacco tax revenue. Why do you think cigarettes are still legal? it's all about the $$$$$

Ok, keep thinking that 100% of alcoholics are damaging others.

Smoking while pregnant any different? Doubt it.

If your beside someone drinking, nothing is 100% for sure going to happen to you. If your beside someone smoking 100% chance your going to be affected. That simple. There is a difference between smoking and drinking.

I know I hit a nerve, funny how the smokers are so defensive about this.....I know plenty of people who quit smoking the moment they had a kid for the better of their family, I guess everyone isn't that smart. I'd like to see the stats of how likely it is for a kid to smoke when their parents do compared to don't.....

 

[DaveB]

Smoking while pregnant any different? Doubt it.

I am going to guess that it is quite different. My buddy's wife has 4 very healthy active kids all born while she smoked when pregnant. Her doctor informed her it would be harder on the baby's development to quit than to just continue smoking.

I'm a non smoker too....but I'll puff cigars when I camp or sled. Cyle, please don't come to the Suds Buds campouts....there will be camp fires and I will not be curbing my little indulgence for you or anyone else.

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

I didn't read through all the posts so I'll apologize if my rant is repetitive....



As someone that grew up in a house full of smokers and as lung troubles because of it, I have an opinion....

Do what you want to yourself, but your kids and others deserve the right to choose for them self's not have it stuffed down their throats...

Smoking will never go away because it is to much of a money grab for the government, I have always got a kick out of the Smokers claiming they have the right.....

Lets see you waste your money on a habit that lines the pockets of big business and government, as well as cost every tax payer millions in health care costs and you feel you have the right to subject others to your habit of choice .....

Personally I know smokers that do take the care to keep it to them selves, but if people are so inconsiderate that they are willing to subject children to their habit then I guess the government needs to step in.....sad yes but what other options are there....

 

[Bogger]

I didn't read through all the posts so I'll apologize if my rant is repetitive....



As someone that grew up in a house full of smokers and as lung troubles because of it, I have an opinion....

Do what you want to yourself, but your kids and others deserve the right to choose for them self's not have it stuffed down their throats...

Smoking will never go away because it is to much of a money grab for the government, I have always got a kick out of the Smokers claiming they have the right.....

Lets see you waste your money on a habit that lines the pockets of big business and government, as well as cost every tax payer millions in health care costs and you feel you have the right to subject others to your habit of choice .....As stated previously that arguement doesn't fly

Personally I know smokers that do take the care to keep it to them selves, but if people are so inconsiderate that they are willing to subject children to their habit then I guess the government needs to step in.....sad yes but what other options are there....

Smoking in a moving vehicle with the window open and smoking in a house where children play/eat/sleep are two different subjects.... but even then as much as I dissagree with it.... It should be a parents choice

 

[barleyfarmer]

I'm a nonsmoker and get a kick out of these fights!I've never smoked and don't understand the attraction of it!All my buddies in school tried to get me to start but I never did I made a choice!As a kid growing up my dad smoked and to spend time with him I had to put up with it!Ride in a tractor with someone who chain smokes and you can't open a window you learn to hate smoking!My choices were to either stay in the house or put up with smoke and get to drive a tractor when your six or seven needless to say I put up with smoke!But this was in the 70's before all the scientific proof of the damage second hand smoke does to you came out!I've seen women smoke while pregnant(pisses me off to no end) and others who have quit while pregnant only to start up after baby is born.If you stopped for nine months why start again?Why worry about the baby before it's born then smoke in a small enclosed place(vehicle)after it's born!With babies you can't have your window cracked in the middle of winter to enjoy your smoke while your blasting down the highway to suck the smoke out!Making laws for people to do the 'smart' thing sucks but maybe people will wake up!The distracted driving law was because some people are just retards and were doing stupid sh.. when they should have been concentrating on driving!I don't care for that law either but some people made it necessary!Don't smoke in a vehicle when your kids are in there!Simple!Stop and have one if you have to!But being a nonsmoker all my life one thing I noticed is that smokers will fight like a bastard for their right to smoke and if they quit smoking they are the absolute worst about preaching the evils of smoking!I'm married to a smoker(well she quit 4 times=4 kids) and I warned her if I ever smelled smoke in the vehicle with the kids I would divorce her!We have a 7 yr old with asthma!I know nobody wants to be told how to raise their kids but it's just common sense to not smoke around kids in a vehicle!Like I tell the wife instead of buying smokes take that money and spend it on the kids instead!Makes more sense to me!DON'T SMOKE IN YOUR VEHICLE WITH YOUR KIDS IN THERE AND THEY WOULD QUIT MAKING THESE INVASIVE LAWS!!!!!

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

Smoking in a moving vehicle with the window open and smoking in a house where children play/eat/sleep are two different subjects.... but even then as much as I dissagree with it.... It should be a parents choice

I don't agree, they are the same, your a smoker how would you know.... ask any non smoker if they can still smell the smoke in a vehicale that's been smoked in windows down or not.

So it's a parents right to subject there kids to a damaging sustenance or activity. So I have every right as a parent to not but a helmet on my kids as we ride bikes and I can strap them in the front seat or better yet I hate seat belts I shouldn't have to use them at all. A parents right what about the kids rights.....

Re the health care burden, your right about the government fund that you pay into, but it dosent cover the costs that Smoking ingests into the system, as long after you stop paying that tax the problems still continue. So your paying now for the people that quit 10 years ago and what about all the people that get affected by the second had smoke who pays for them.....

As well it's government for every dollar of tax you pay how much of it really gets to the health care system...!!!

I don't like government telling me what to do either but as long as one person's choice can drastically affect an others health and they don't see it....

 

[SledMamma]

The Respiratory Therapist in me is just SCREAMING!!! Aaaaaaah!!!

I could go on forever, and I usually do, but I am just going to throw in a few points to ponder:

- 25 years ago all the doctors/medical staff on the hospital floors used to place an ashtray on a patient's bed, congregate around the bed and conduct medical rounds while many of them chuffed on a cigarette and gave their opinions of the patient's progress/prognosis. This was commonplace...

WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER, YOU SHOULD DO BETTER...

- Videos of unborn fetuses over 26 weeks gestation show that when the mother is in the act of smoking, the fetus will actually begin making gasping motions in the womb. The baby doesn't even breathe air yet, but has an innate physiological response to being exposed to the toxins of a cigarette.

- The alveoli, or air sacs where fundamental gas exchange occurs in the lungs, do not mature until 8 years of age. Exposure to 2nd hand smoke has proven that scarring and poorly developed alveoli are the direct result... The extent may vary, but this is true in all cases that were studied.

- Unequivocally and irrefutably FALSE: " doctor informed her it would be harder on the baby's development to quit than to just continue smoking" . This is a MYTH and hearing it makes my blood boil- I have yet to find a doctor who actually advocates this to be true. I firmly believe it is a lie potentiated by people who don't want to own up to the truth because they weren't ready to quit. For every four healthy children who are seemingly unaffected, I can show you four or more who are...

- Smoking is one of the greatest addictions a person will ever face and anyone who stands on a soap box and judges a smoker is a jerkoff. The physical and psychological addiction to nicotine is devastating and the fact that it is both legal, and profitable to our governments, is downright sad.

I give many kudos to those who have been able to quit, those who try and even fail, and those who do their very best to modify their smoking behaviors to have the least impact possible on those around them.

Again: WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER, YOU SHOULD DO BETTER... IF this is the best you can do, then so be it.

- I do not believe in legislating and policing every move we make as individuals and as parents. There are enough laws, this shouldn't be one of them. Are we going to start cracking down on parents whose kids are obese due to poor diet? How about kids that watch too much tv or don't wear a hat and sunscreen on High UV index days??? When does it end ???