Take THAT Dirty Coal!

[ABMax24]

You are correct ABMax24, but we voted for change. We got a bipolar pot smoker that thinks he is saving the world and usa will get a psychopath with a growing body count.

I didn't vote for that tool. But uninformed city dwellers sure did.

 

[ABMax24]

That's what the people in Ontario are doing that can't afford to be on Hydro anymore.

On that note here is an extreme example of the serious fiscal mismanagement that has led to incredibly high power prices in Ontario.

https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-n...an-other-biomass-facilities-in-ontario-403733

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Would be retarded to abandon oil and gas. Doesn't mean steps can't be taken to improve they we get it. We should also start doing more in house refining of products like fuel and developing the by products much in the same way china does.

 

[rzrgade]

Our current gov. Won't let us even build pipelines ....
Do you really think they will support building more refineries?
But some how they support Quebec buying oil from from Saudi Arabia and having it shipped half way around the world , how does that help with co2 emissions ?
Not to mention that it sends billions of $$ in revenue to
A country with a terrible environmental & human rights track record ...

Fact is lots could be done to improve our economy
, as well as our environment
If it was truly desired.

It really is all about politics, wether we like / realize it or not . The carbon tax is simply a form of wealth transfer from west to east , and does not do anything to further our ability to upgrade our search for cleaner energy ,


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[Cdnfireman]

Unfortunately that is completely incorrect. There is no way that it takes more energy to build a hydro electric dam than it produces. Take the Bennett Dam on the Peace River for instance, it has an annual generation of 13100 GWh of electricity. When that same amount of energy were defined in terms of oil it would be just over 8,000,000 barrels of oil, or 1.2 billion liters of oil. So in its 46 years of operation that is the equivalent of 57.6 billion liters of oil in energy it has produced.

So please enlighten me to how the laws of physics prove that more energy was used to create this dam than it has produced.

Im curious how you came up with the above figures to determine a fossil fuel equivalency for the electrical output for the dam.

 

[rightsideup]

Would be retarded to abandon oil and gas. Doesn't mean steps can't be taken to improve they we get it. We should also start doing more in house refining of products like fuel and developing the by products much in the same way china does.

Do you have a link to some of China 's technology. Unless I am misinformed China is a huge contributor to the world's environmental problems. They have many coal powered power plants using a dirtier type of coal than alberta has.

 

[52weekbreak]

So I really just started this because I thought that the new technology is cool and finally getting cheaper enough that it makes sense, in some cases to buy it.

The whole CO2 thing is considered by most to be a problem and I guess we shall see if that is ultimately correct In the meantime, it probably isn't a bad idea to try and curb emissions to some extent. Lots of different and conflicting information as to who are the biggest contributors overall but us Canadians seem to, by most sites, be in the top five or so for emissions per person. By country emissions, we are small. One chart had all of Canada (including the oil sands) just behind global shipping.

China seems to be the biggest contributor overall but each person contributes half that of the average Canadian. We can probably do better. The simplest chart I found was at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

 

[Pedaling pete]

China needs to get their population a little closer to Canada's before we start talking about what the "average person contributes"

1.357 billion people vs 35 million. Like WTF quit bangin you horny china men, you're smoggin the whole place out....LMAO

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Do you have a link to some of China 's technology. Unless I am misinformed China is a huge contributor to the world's environmental problems. They have many coal powered power plants using a dirtier type of coal than alberta has.

The reason our products like ore and bitumen are shipped to China for refining is because our standards will not allow us to refine or smelt. If we can produce at level that meets our standards we could set a world president for how industries can function. China is completely capable going greener but the run into problems of supply witch is why they shop for resources outside their boarder. Much of their issue is take what you can get while you can get it. And yes they are making advances to he greener, but if Canada is so great why have we not already switched or in the process of switching, thus creating jobs and building more sustainable development.

 

[rightsideup]

So I really just started this because I thought that the new technology is cool and finally getting cheaper enough that it makes sense, in some cases to buy it.

The whole CO2 thing is considered by most to be a problem and I guess we shall see if that is ultimately correct In the meantime, it probably isn't a bad idea to try and curb emissions to some extent. Lots of different and conflicting information as to who are the biggest contributors overall but us Canadians seem to, by most sites, be in the top five or so for emissions per person. By country emissions, we are small. One chart had all of Canada (including the oil sands) just behind global shipping.

China seems to be the biggest contributor overall but each person contributes half that of the average Canadian. We can probably do better. The simplest chart I found was at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

Not sure what China's employment and lifestyle are but I think they be more urban based and use public transit more. Our lifestyle would have more travel to employment and recreation.

 

[team dirt]

Unfortunately that is completely incorrect. There is no way that it takes more energy to build a hydro electric dam than it produces. Take the Bennett Dam on the Peace River for instance, it has an annual generation of 13100 GWh of electricity. When that same amount of energy were defined in terms of oil it would be just over 8,000,000 barrels of oil, or 1.2 billion liters of oil. So in its 46 years of operation that is the equivalent of 57.6 billion liters of oil in energy it has produced.

So please enlighten me to how the laws of physics prove that more energy was used to create this dam than it has produced.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another. For instance, chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy in the explosion of a stick of dynamite. A consequence of the law of conservation of energy is that a perpetual motion machine of the first kind cannot exist.

So I am sorry but BC Hydro has not developed a perpetual motion dam. Every step of the way that dam had losses in the construction process that will never be recovered through power generation. Then factor in the land that was cleared and flooded. Those trees were a huge carbon sink that is lost forever. If we really want change we need to tax the sh!t out of every C Can of Junk coming from China. That tax will be passed on to the consumer directly from the Walmart and crappy tires of the world giving me the decision to buy it or not. This would drastically reduce imports of products that are junk that eventually end up in our landfills. Maybe even Canadian companies could start producing these products putting our people to work while in the same time using our own Rescources here. Don't tax my fuel for transport and heat for my house. I don't have a choice in heating my home and I live 15min from the nearest town so public transportation is not an option.

 

[skegpro]

This provincial carbon tax pisses me off so much, it was not even mentioned in the bitches campaign and now we don't even get to vote on it. It boggles my mind to see a government who enjoys going against the wishes of the majority.

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[X-it]

First off we have the Al Gore's global warming chart that proves C02 emissions lagged behind global warming by 500-800 years. We now have completely changed that around to read C02 emissions caused the warming. I see now why our brains are 20% smaller than Cro-Magnon mans.

 

[rightsideup]

The reason our products like ore and bitumen are shipped to China for refining is because our standards will not allow us to refine or smelt. If we can produce at level that meets our standards we could set a world president for how industries can function. China is completely capable going greener but the run into problems of supply witch is why they shop for resources outside their boarder. Much of their issue is take what you can get while you can get it. And yes they are making advances to he greener, but if Canada is so great why have we not already switched or in the process of switching, thus creating jobs and building more sustainable development.

interesting but Canada's leaders follow but not lead on a world level despite having having the opportunity you are suggesting

 

[lilduke]

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another. For instance, chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy in the explosion of a stick of dynamite. A consequence of the law of conservation of energy is that a perpetual motion machine of the first kind cannot exist.

So I am sorry but BC Hydro has not developed a perpetual motion dam. Every step of the way that dam had losses in the construction process that will never be recovered through power generation. Then factor in the land that was cleared and flooded. Those trees were a huge carbon sink that is lost forever. If we really want change we need to tax the sh!t out of every C Can of Junk coming from China. That tax will be passed on to the consumer directly from the Walmart and crappy tires of the world giving me the decision to buy it or not. This would drastically reduce imports of products that are junk that eventually end up in our landfills. Maybe even Canadian companies could start producing these products putting our people to work while in the same time using our own Rescources here. Don't tax my fuel for transport and heat for my house. I don't have a choice in heating my home and I live 15min from the nearest town so public transportation is not an option.

Dams make electricity by spinning turbines with the flow of water. They are not creating energy, they are converting the kinetic energy of the water into electricity and LOTS of it.

By your logic we couldn't get any energy by drilling for oil either...lol

 

[lilduke]

Not sure what China's employment and lifestyle are but I think they be more urban based and use public transit more. Our lifestyle would have more travel to employment and recreation.

A lot of Chinese are VERY poor. Poor people don't have cars,sleds,electricity, don't take trips to Mexico ext

Poor people don't have a large "carbon footprint". They pick rice by hand, or work in sweatshops.

They bring the average down a bit for the growing cities,industry and middle class.

 

[Uturn]

Williston Reservoir emissions a big question mark

The WAC Bennett Dam is a classic case of early poor planning of dams and reservoirs. It flooded faster than the vegetation could be cleared. Hundreds of pieces of logging equipment were left as the reservoir filled. Logging that was started could not be completed and logs left to rot. Complete ecosystems were destroyed. We fished small pools before they were flooded with 1000's of fish starving in them as they wouldn't enter the lake.

No one will know how much fuel was used in the 6 year construction period, but it was old inefficient equipment that moved all the rock. It was a slow process to watch.

Unfortunately that is completely incorrect. There is no way that it takes more energy to build a hydro electric dam than it produces. Take the Bennett Dam on the Peace River for instance, it has an annual generation of 13100 GWh of electricity. When that same amount of energy were defined in terms of oil it would be just over 8,000,000 barrels of oil, or 1.2 billion liters of oil. So in its 46 years of operation that is the equivalent of 57.6 billion liters of oil in energy it has produced.

So please enlighten me to how the laws of physics prove that more energy was used to create this dam than it has produced.

 

[team dirt]

Dams make electricity by spinning turbines with the flow of water. They are not creating energy, they are converting the kinetic energy of the water into electricity and LOTS of it.

By your logic we couldn't get any energy by drilling for oil either...lol

how did the dam get there in the first place. We used energy to make energy. Drilling for oil is also a loss. It's the amount of loss that is where the efficiency comes into play. It's a matter of finding the most efficient ways with the least cost of output versus cost of input. Do you have any idea what it takes to get oil and gas from the ground into your car or furnace. A lot of energy is used to to create a usable energy for consumers. And if you read my post you can see you actually proved my point. They are not creating energy in a dam. It's just a transfer with inherent loss.

 

[lilduke]

how did the dam get there in the first place. We used energy to create energy. Drilling for oil is also a loss. It's the amount of loss that is where the efficiency comes into play. It's a matter of finding the most efficient ways with the least cost of output versus cost of input. Do you have any idea what it takes to get oil and gas from the ground into your car or furnace. A lot of energy is used to to create a usable energy for consumers.

I have worked on a drilling rig and on pipe lines and now live right by a big dam. So yes I get that it takes energy to build a dam or to get gas to the station.

But we do get returns back, or we wouldn't do it.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Yes but you would have to assume that over time the energy out put of the dam would far surpass the input of the construction period and the carbon sink as trees age and die off the stop taking in carbon and start releasing it, yes new trees take the old ones place but still over many years I would still think the dam is able to put out more energy then the building process.

how did the dam get there in the first place. We used energy to make energy. Drilling for oil is also a loss. It's the amount of loss that is where the efficiency comes into play. It's a matter of finding the most efficient ways with the least cost of output versus cost of input. Do you have any idea what it takes to get oil and gas from the ground into your car or furnace. A lot of energy is used to to create a usable energy for consumers. And if you read my post you can see you actually proved my point. They are not creating energy in a dam. It's just a transfer with inherent loss.