Spending the night

[dbar7]

also forgot to mention I always carry a couple cliff bars& cans of 2 go tuna

 

[RGM]

The most important thing is to go out with gear that is going to keep you dry and warm. Boots, jacket and pants and all your other layers. If you start off warm and dry it will make a much more comfortable night. I try and do planned multi day overnighter every year and that's why I wear Klim.

 

[Throttle-Junkie]

Avy bag list

First Air Kit/laytex gloves/crazy glue/small dropper of Iodine Tincture
Pen Flares
Fire Starter home made egg carton sawdust wax combo & cotton balls w/Vaseline
Bivvy sack
Headlamp
Water proof matches
Socks in zip lock bag
Tampons to dip in fuel tank for gas to start fire
Power/survival bars
Small pack hatchet/Hand chain saw
Glow in the dark rope under sled seat.
Matches tampons etc in small tin can also use can to melt water etc.
Pocket stove there is some awesome videos online how to make your own from a pop can/red bull can
Signal mirror
Flint/striker
Sat phone

Then the normal gloves etc..

There is probably more I missed, seems like lots and sounds heavy but I am still lighter then the guy carrying 12 cans of beer and his bottle of warm up juice that I see all the time..

Some of this will be on my sled but for the most part I have it packed very well in my bags.. This almost depends on what bag I am wearing and what gets packed where on me or sled.. Source your gear out don't cheap out buy the expensive light weight survival stuff worth it..

Very good points you will have a very hard time spending the night comfy if you can't stay warm or keep warm, layering you gear is essential!!

I always tell friends getting into mountain/backcountry sledding that buying the sled is the cheap part! It's buying the proper gear and training that ads up but needed!!!



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[Iron Horse Racing]

I do carry more than the average person, but I have always used the “I’d rather carry it out and back then be wishing I had" as my guide.
I have skied into the back country and enjoyed those overnights, I took a scout group out at 26 below one winter, no sleeping bags or tents, we stayed (about 50' from the trucks) in Quincy’s with just emergency gear.
Quincy’s (snow cave) can be quite comfortable, if built properly.

I carry a single burner wisperlite stove, it will run on just about any fuel, I have apot used just about everything; target is enough food for 3 days at a survival rate.

This is my list......

First aid kit w/ extra tensor bandages, Vet wrap, triangle bandage’s Liquid Band-Aid Rubber Gloves Flares (wax 45 minute) hand warmers Bivy Sack space blankets small emergency tarp candle fire starter Tin foil Matches Toilet paper Flash light Crank type Compass chain saw in a can Duct and electrical tape Knife or Leatherman 2 – Carabineer’s rope Wire Whistle Lighter and safety matches Tie wraps Bags for feet Hose clamps Extra bungee cords Medicine sunglasses spare gloves spare socks Mini Vise Grips Signal Mirror Pot with back packing stove and fuel Can of sterno Hot Packs Note pad & Pencil Pen flares Saw Flint and fire starter

Freeze Dried Food pack Power aid Crystals energy drink trail mix water(water tabs, water filter) Beef jerky Cup o soup power bars hot Choc Misc items for sledding and Quadding spare goggles batteries GPS Thermos’s Shovel Probe Fuel line/ Tow rope Ratchet straps 2 way radio 6’ siphon hose Spare batteries

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

This was from a post of Lori from Zac's Tracks ....great list, very thorough and well thought out.....what would you expect it's from Lori.....

Wearing

• Helmet
• Goggles with various colored spare lenses
• Balaclava

· Backpack or avalanche floatationpack – recommend 30 liters or more of storage
· Windproof, waterproof, breathableouter shell (Jacket & Pants)

• Quick dry insulating layers
• Wicking under layers (keep skin dry)
• High performance socks – i.e. Smart Wool – mid to heavy weight
• Boots – solid construction to support toes & ankles – waterproof with excellent traction
• Gloves – Windproof, waterproof
  – with removable liners for quicker drying time
• Two-way radio with waterproof mic
• Transceiver – 3 antennae, marking digital beacon, with update capability.
  
  

Jacket and/or belt pockets on pack straps

• Small penlight/flashlight
• Small pocket knife
• Light gloves
• Lighter
• Kleenex in plastic bag
• Silk cloth (to clean goggles/glasses)
• Cash/ credit card
• Whistle (Fox 40)

Backpack

• High Quality Spare Clothing
  - Wicking, medium insulating under layers (top and bottom)
  - High performance socks – i.e. Smart Wool – heavyweight
  - Light windproof gloves
  - Down jacket – low packing volume
  - Heavy Mitts
  - Toque & Balaclava
• Whistle (Fox 40) – tied on pack strap or zipper closure…EASY access
• Shovel (long handle, heat treated)
• Probe (minimum 300cm long)
• Saw – folding, pruning saw or ‘chainsaw-in-a-can’
• Cord (~100’), Light rope & webbing (15’)
• Duct tape
• Map, compass, inclinometer (with signal mirror)
• GPS with/or Altimeter
• Spare Batteries (for GPS, beacon, headlamp)
• Toilet Paper
• Headlamp
• Multi-tool / Leatherman / Swiss Army knife
• Waterproof lighting source – flint
• Lighter
• Fire starter
• Mini-stove with pot, utensil & fuel
• 30 hr candle
• High energy food/bars/jerky
• Dehydrated meal in large foil bag
• Bivy sack (windproof, waterproof) or Light tarp (reflective one side)
• Glo-Sticks
• Hunting knife
• Pencil flares
• Florescent tape/flagging
• Tin-foil
• Cell Phone &/or Satellite phone
• Emergency phone numbers for area
• Credit card numbers, cash
• Emergency locator beacon (SPOT, inREACH…)
• Carabineer
• Duct Tape
• Plastic bags – zip lock, shopping bags, garbage bags
• First Aid Kit – see contents list below

HandlebarBag and/or Windshield Bag

• Sunscreen (face and lips)
• Headlamp
• Sunglasses
• Extra Goggles
• Extra Key
• Lighter
• Spare Batteries
• Camera
• Toque
• Avaluator2 Card

MainSled Storage

• Lunch
• Water/Thermos
• Extra Gloves
• Tow Rope
• Carabineers
• Clevis
• Ratchet, bungee straps
• Tools specific to your sled (add to the stock tool kit)
  NOTE: when completing repairs at home use your sled’s tool kit to highlight specialty tools that you need to add!
• Needle Nose pliers
• Magnet
• Spare spark plugs and belts
• Emergency starter rope
• Electrical tape, duct tape
• Plastic zip-ties
• Wire
• Isopropyl alcohol
• Gas
• Paper towel/rag
• Snow study kit
  - Crystal screen
  - Ruler
  - Inclinometer
  - Loupe
  - Thermometers (2)
  - Pencils (2)
  - Field book – waterproof paper

FirstAid Kit

• Sunscreen
• Prescription medication with directions
  - Notes re: personal health status, common warning signs and treatment required
• Extra prescription glasses
• Lighter
• Triangular bandages
• Pressure bandage
• Gauze pads (small & large)
• Adhesive bandages (small & large)
• Roll gauze (small & large)
• Feminine products (for the obvious uses. Also…pads are a sterile dressing for a cut. Tampons dipped in gas can be a fire starter.)
• Alcohol wipes
• Antiseptic wipes
• Antibiotic ointment
• Butterfly bandages
• Anti-inflammatory, pain, fever i.e. Ibuprofen/Advil
• Painkiller i.e. Codeine/Tylenol 3
• Aspirin
• Mini Pocket Mask (Mouth-to-mouth barrier)
  
  
• 4 pair latex gloves
• Micropore tape
• Razor/knife
• Scissors
• Needle and thread
• Tweezers
• Versatile splinting material
• Space blanket
• Small plastic bags
• Plastic garbage bag (orange)
• Waterproof Note Paper
• Pencil
• Medical assessment check lists.

MiscellaneousGear distributed among group

• Hatchet
• Stove/fuel
• Tarp (with some or all of these properties, durable, light, grommets, reflective)
• Pulley
• Snobunje
• Emergency insulated sleeping pad
• Splint material
• Barrier device (CPR)
• Binoculars

Inthe Truck

• Spare Transceiver
• Spare Shovel
• Spare Probe
• Spare Gear
• Emergency keys stashed in known location
• Tire Chains
• Big Shovel
• Truck Tow Rope
• Ratchet straps, bungee straps
• Big First Aid Kit
• Blankets
• Extra batteries

 

[moyiesledhead]

Being able to light a fire AND maintain it all night is my #1 priority.....but that's for the area I ride, and I can see where that could vary depending on where you ride. I'm sure there's places you'd be struggling to find enough dry wood to get a fire going.

 

[kimrick]

Bivvy bags are available from first place parts.com
They are located on page 142 of their catalogue and show between 17.00 and 50.00 bucks.
(I just picked the catalogue up from the mail) LOL!

They do not seem to weight to much at all. from 3.8 to 8.5 oz

 

[~Rowdy~]

I'm getting some very good useful information. I do carry quite a bit of stuff myself split between the sled and in my pack. I was also just given a good tip to vacuum seal socks and extra layers. Takes up way less space and ensures it's dry. I'm going to be doing this for sure.

 

[~Rowdy~]

My list of items.

In my Avy Pack:
- shovel
- spare gloves
- mid layer
- flint
- dryer lint
- torch
- wetfire
- lighter
- first aid kit
- beef jerkey
- trail mix
- leatherman
- head light
- saw
- flash light
- inReach
- Garmin 650
- water
- probe
- bivy sack
- cell phone turned off in pelican case
- odds and sods of parts, zap straps, hose clamps etc.
- SOL small survival kit (see pic)

On my sled:
- Jet Boil
- dehydrated food
- orange hand smoke signal
- bear bangers
- flares
- pencil flare
- variety of tools
- tea lights
- small lantern
- bivy sack
- tow ropes
- canned food
- spare gloves
- zip loc bags
- wetfire
- saw
- tea
- Sam splint
- glow stick
- collapsible bowl
- barrier device

 

[~Rowdy~]

I absolutely would like to do a controlled over night stay and let the appropriate people (S&R etc) know what was going on. I think it would be an eye opener for sure.

 

[fredw]

been on two over night unespected sleep overs.... both times were with riders that can make your stay much more chellenging, and probally the only reason we spent the night...

things learned... your pack leader or more exsperienced riders will have their hands full, caming down the group and keeping comon sense, there will be disagrements but still proper decision making is a must...

as for your location for the overnight sleep over, once again comon sense needs to be used, a location that is out of avalance terrain, a location that is out of the wind, or blizaard is essential.. a location in trees with dry dead firewood.. if you can find a water passage or ruuning creek, there is also a good chance of cutting in to the side bank and making a snow cave, this is what we did and will do it again, make sure its deep enought and make the bottom insulated from snow with green tree branches

as for fire.... you can literally work all night at this and never get much warmth from its benifit, but will be busy and might ease group'pressure and stress threw the night

as for items to carry, always carry some food and drinks threw the day that you do not drink or eat, we had half the group that had nothing left to eat or drink, refill water bottles with running creek water when its avaialble

saws, shovels, matches or a lighter, a good led small flashlights is a must, the emer-gency blakets we had were garbage, along with hot shots

proper clothing with extra gloves, a hat or tok to wear when your helmet is off, a hose for sniffing gas from sled to sled would of made the job much easier

as far as spot or gps, and search and rescue...they are extra tools that can be useful, but in bad weather can also give you false sense of security that there is someone coming for you, when there is not, and you could be using that thought on surviving the night

staying together in a group and cracking the odd joke can sure break tension threw the night, we did everything in twos so no one was by them selves

 

[Throttle-Junkie]

I absolutely would like to do a controlled over night stay and let the appropriate people (S&R etc) know what was going on. I think it would be an eye opener for sure.

I agree and will be doing the same this winter for sure, it will be good experience and learning curve for any little or majors changes in equipment and attitude towards survival..

Like I said I have done it hunting but think sledding with be a whole new challenge..

I am actually really looking forward to it.. Now to pick a date and location.

I think if some of us are planning on this we should start a thread with pics and real world experience and explanations.. I plan to video my over night experiences

At the end of this I hope no one has to spend a night for a major emergency and that we can all make back safe at the end of the day!

Ride safe!! Plan ahead!!


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[~Rowdy~]

been on two over night unespected sleep overs.... both times were with riders that can make your stay much more chellenging, and probally the only reason we spent the night...

things learned... your pack leader or more exsperienced riders will have their hands full, caming down the group and keeping comon sense, there will be disagrements but still proper decision making is a must...

as for your location for the overnight sleep over, once again comon sense needs to be used, a location that is out of avalance terrain, a location that is out of the wind, or blizaard is essential.. a location in trees with dry dead firewood.. if you can find a water passage or ruuning creek, there is also a good chance of cutting in to the side bank and making a snow cave, this is what we did and will do it again, make sure its deep enought and make the bottom insulated from snow with green tree branches

as for fire.... you can literally work
all night at this and never get much warmth from its benifit, but will be busy and might ease group'pressure and stress threw the night

as for items to carry, always carry some food and drinks threw the day that you do not drink or eat, we had half the group that had nothing left to eat or drink, refill water bottles with running creek water when its avaialble

saws, shovels, matches or lighter or a must, the emer-gency blakets we had were garbage, along with hot shots

In what way did the riders make your stay more challenging? I'm curious.

 

[Pistonbroke]

What's up with the bear bangers, ~Rowdy~? Just curious!

 

[~Rowdy~]

What's up with the bear bangers, ~Rowdy~? Just curious!

It came in the kit with the flares and the pencil launcher. But someone on here said they used them once to get the attention of their group when they were pinned against a tree. So they could be useful.

 

[Modman]

Being able to light a fire AND maintain it all night is my #1 priority.....but that's for the area I ride, and I can see where that could vary depending on where you ride. I'm sure there's places you'd be struggling to find enough dry wood to get a fire going.

Fire for sure. Always fire. Melt water and stay hydrated. You can survive a long time without food, you will not last 12 hours if you are hypothermic. Being warm also lifts the spirits. I carry some extra food (energy bars), a #1 First Aid kit, some other miscellaneous things like that. The point of space blankets (tinfoil) isn't to act like a down comforter on your bed and keep you warm and cozy - its to reflect heat. Build a fire and stretch one between 2 trees behind you when you are sitting in front of the fire, they reflect an amazing amount of heat for what they weigh. If in a new area or exploring, I will pack my snowshoes.

Compass, knife, saw, flint stick and striker, wire (you can use wire for anything!) and a big old bag of cotton balls (super light and about 100 can be compressed to fit in the palm of your hand). Dip a couple of cotton balls in your gas tank and you got instant fire, and they burn for a couple minutes. People didn't believe me how easy it starts, so a couple yrs ago I made a video of it. Did it twice to show the first time wasn't a fluke. firestarter - YouTube Dryer lint also works great as fire starter.

Your shovel can be used to melt water and you can also boil water in a plastic bottle (yes it works I tried this too - google it, sometimes it tastes a little smoky but beggars can't be choosers...) so if you've already got a bottle with you, it can be used in a survival situation.

Best thing to learn is how to actually SURVIVE though. Fancy gear and all the best stuff money can buy, won't do a lick of good if you don't have the skills to use it. Practice a couple times a season digging a cave or lighting a fire, or building a shelter. Practice using a compass so that if you are truly lost and your GPS don't work, you actually have a clue about getting yourself around.

If lost - Don't panic - you will expend more energy and accomplish nothing if you panic. If you think you are lost, stay put, don't run around like a chicken with your head cut off. Build a fire and shelter. Do your research before you go into an area and read the terrain. Evaluate your options and use your head.

 

[jaredszakacs]

Bivy bags are great to bring with you. The hennessy hammock style shelters are great they have many options from thermal layers and different types of shelters all that can be stored in a sack the size of a waterbottle. a good saw and lots of fire starters are key! my Bag always has extra long sleeve shirt the Hennessy shelter extra gloves and socks,spare food and waterbottle, lots of fire starters and a couple extra lighters and packs of matches.

 

[fredw]

We met a group of guys that were lost in the storm as well, they were your city boys with limited riding and outdoorsmen skills, but had bigger paycheques then we did, and had very strong opinions, when decisions were being made....


Another mention on fires.... Find a location where snow is not that deep, near a creek or such... Because by the early morning hrs our fire was eight feet deep in a soup bowl type picture chocking the hell out of us.... Not sure if I would do another fire if I was not cold... It was that much work

In what way did the riders make your stay more challenging? I'm curious.

 

[sledneck_03]

We met a group of guys that were lost in the storm as well, they were your city boys with limited riding and outdoorsmen skills, but had bigger paycheques then we did, and had very strong opinions, when decisions were being made....


Another mention on fires.... Find a location where snow is not that deep, near a creek or such... Because by the early morning hrs our fire was eight feet deep in a soup bowl type picture chocking the hell out of us.... Not sure if I would do another fire if I was not cold... It was that much work

If you cross long logs over the fire it wont sink those. Or put long logs in a circle with the ends all pointing to a center point and light the middle and keep pushing them inward to keep the fire going.

 

[Modman]

If you cross long logs over the fire it wont sink those. Or put long logs in a circle with the ends all pointing to a center point and light the middle and keep pushing them inward to keep the fire going.

Or cut green bows like spruce bows and layer them underneath before you start the fire. If the fire sinks down a little in the snow, you will have to keep digging out around it to get air to the base of the fire. If you let it burn into a hole, it won't breath properly and will be tough to keep going. Same reason its harder to get a fire going at a campground in those silly steel rings in the ground, they don't let the fire breath right. lots of times we will do a hot lunch so i'm constantly starting them in the bush during sled season, never really had an issue with it. tree bows also good for bedding/insulation.