slednek
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I always sell as is where is. I am up front and honest and always try to price accordingly. I personally wouldn't expect the seller to help me out in a situation like this.
Seller And Buyer Question
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maxwell
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is this really a question?
we are dealing with a high performance 2 stroke.
i have moved many sleds through the years and i disclose everything possible that i know or can think of. i tell them what its done, where its been and what work it has had. my prices are usually alot lower as i dont have the time to dicker around.
if the sled was in good running condition when you bought it then as soon as its in your truck its YOUR sled. YOU looked at it. YOU inspected it.
this isnt a set of couches. these sleds are extremtly complex there is no way the seller should be respondsible or be requuired to provide any refund or help if something should happen.
what would you expect the owner to do? remove the engine and have it sent to an engine builder and rebuilt completely? then sell it to you?
i CANT see the crank seals or crank bearings when i sell something to you. i can however do a compression test and give you the results. that is IT. maybe take a look at he plugs to make sure its not a lean show.
YOU make your decision based on that.
if you dont want to run into these issues get a sled with warranty. and guess what!! it will blow up then too!
why not buy a rolling chassis and put a shortblock in it. at least that way you know what your getting.
as is where is
ill replace the motor for you but it will be the cost +
just my opinion LOL
you bought my baby blew it up now you want a refund!!!
we are dealing with a high performance 2 stroke.
i have moved many sleds through the years and i disclose everything possible that i know or can think of. i tell them what its done, where its been and what work it has had. my prices are usually alot lower as i dont have the time to dicker around.
if the sled was in good running condition when you bought it then as soon as its in your truck its YOUR sled. YOU looked at it. YOU inspected it.
this isnt a set of couches. these sleds are extremtly complex there is no way the seller should be respondsible or be requuired to provide any refund or help if something should happen.
what would you expect the owner to do? remove the engine and have it sent to an engine builder and rebuilt completely? then sell it to you?
i CANT see the crank seals or crank bearings when i sell something to you. i can however do a compression test and give you the results. that is IT. maybe take a look at he plugs to make sure its not a lean show.
YOU make your decision based on that.
if you dont want to run into these issues get a sled with warranty. and guess what!! it will blow up then too!
why not buy a rolling chassis and put a shortblock in it. at least that way you know what your getting.
as is where is
ill replace the motor for you but it will be the cost +
just my opinion LOL
you bought my baby blew it up now you want a refund!!!
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Canadianking
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I have bought a lot of used units and every time there has been a problem with them even from dealers and nobody helped me out even as a kid. I inspected them myself thinking I know what to look for but you can only see so much and that goes the same for the seller. Unless stated used is issually sold as is and be expected to spend some money when buying used. I now will only buy new cause in the long run I find it to be cheaper except for when I swammped my new outlander and took the motor out after 180 miles but hey sh*t happens stuff breaks.
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summitzx
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You are right when it comes down to it it is not my problem, since I am not the seller. The bill of sale will have all the contact info on it so I think I will just step out of it.
well I guess as the buyer of this sled i should say some words....
First off, yes it was exactly one month ago.We drove 4 hours one way to get this sled.It has not been ridin as we have no snow.I put 10 miles on it since then!!
summitzx as far as "your friend" who sold me the sled i was under the impression that you guys were a pair,as you were both there at the time of the sale. so i do appologize to YOU for the words said and i see were you come from as well...Maybe your friend should have his own user name here on snow and mud.
i do understand what the terms, where is as is means...how ever whether you knew or not, the good mechanic that took apart the motor for me said that the crank case was cracked!!! that means when your friends sled was sold to me it had a cracked crankcase and the head was chipped up from your friends previous riding...
we did have good talks with you and i had felt that you and your friend were trust worthy beliving that the motor was fine...apparently it was not
as for its starting, yes it would be fine at lower rpms as the crack in the case would be sucking in not as much air but the first time i hold it open it sucks too much air from the crack in the case causing it to blow....that is why it was fine when we started it/loaded.... My mechanic mentioned to me that an engine can run a long time with a crack providing the throttle not held wide open.
This damage would have happened to your friend on his first ride out this winter, and he would be the one having to spend $2000 on sled just so he could get the sled running again just to sell it for less.
I wondered why he mentioned that he re-sealed the bottom end.
I did pay top dollar for the sled (I payed the asking price minus the probe cost)...there fore being 17 and not having cash flowing out my @$$ i dont really have money to pay for a new motor....so i am asking EVERYONE (considering the situation)...
Also I have been very good about it and did not mention at all who the seller was.
WHAT IS THE ETHICAL THING TO DO???
First off, yes it was exactly one month ago.We drove 4 hours one way to get this sled.It has not been ridin as we have no snow.I put 10 miles on it since then!!
summitzx as far as "your friend" who sold me the sled i was under the impression that you guys were a pair,as you were both there at the time of the sale. so i do appologize to YOU for the words said and i see were you come from as well...Maybe your friend should have his own user name here on snow and mud.
i do understand what the terms, where is as is means...how ever whether you knew or not, the good mechanic that took apart the motor for me said that the crank case was cracked!!! that means when your friends sled was sold to me it had a cracked crankcase and the head was chipped up from your friends previous riding...
we did have good talks with you and i had felt that you and your friend were trust worthy beliving that the motor was fine...apparently it was not
as for its starting, yes it would be fine at lower rpms as the crack in the case would be sucking in not as much air but the first time i hold it open it sucks too much air from the crack in the case causing it to blow....that is why it was fine when we started it/loaded.... My mechanic mentioned to me that an engine can run a long time with a crack providing the throttle not held wide open.
This damage would have happened to your friend on his first ride out this winter, and he would be the one having to spend $2000 on sled just so he could get the sled running again just to sell it for less.
I wondered why he mentioned that he re-sealed the bottom end.
I did pay top dollar for the sled (I payed the asking price minus the probe cost)...there fore being 17 and not having cash flowing out my @$$ i dont really have money to pay for a new motor....so i am asking EVERYONE (considering the situation)...
Also I have been very good about it and did not mention at all who the seller was.
WHAT IS THE ETHICAL THING TO DO???
and how does he know it was crack prior to you buying it... just so i know what to look for next time i buy used....
Sledlift, to answer your question. The seller was a mechanic and very knowledgable guy about motors. He told me he re-sealed the bottom end. That means taking it apart.
The crack was noticeable from the outside and i was told by my mechanic that it appeared to be an older crack. I have to beleive my mechanic as he has seen many blown cranks in his day.In the 10 easy miles I put on it.it run good till the one day when I opened the throttle up for a bit.
So i ask again what is the ETHICAL thing to do, as a seller in this situation.
I know my dad would compensate the buyer..........we understand the "as is" factor,but come on, man up and help a kid out!!!
The crack was noticeable from the outside and i was told by my mechanic that it appeared to be an older crack. I have to beleive my mechanic as he has seen many blown cranks in his day.In the 10 easy miles I put on it.it run good till the one day when I opened the throttle up for a bit.
So i ask again what is the ETHICAL thing to do, as a seller in this situation.
I know my dad would compensate the buyer..........we understand the "as is" factor,but come on, man up and help a kid out!!!
Free Rider
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Buyer Beware!!! Next time take it to a mechanic before you buy.
ok so it appeared to be an older crack ummm how does he know that.... if is sold as is well your chit out of luck as is .. is as is... how come you didnt see the crack when you looked it over before you bought it...
imdoo'n
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you bought a mountain sled that has an egt gauge, that did not have a sensor. hmm. put 10 km on it, maybe warmed it up maybe not enough. your in coldlake, low elevation, and you were drag racing a buddy + 120km/hr, likely faster, right. and more than likely overreved, and the crank failed. probably went through the lower case, maybe other damage. you want someone to warranty your stupidity. man you sound like a mommas boy. seems to me you are the problem, good luck with the rebuild. summitzx owes you nothing and the seller either.
I did not want this thread to go this way. I know buyer beware, but people that say this better watch out.Because there are people on here that do buy used and will have second thoughts about buying from people with this attitude.....
I'm not saying this towards you....but generally speaking.
There are times when you can't take something to a mechanic before buying, like driving 4 hours one way to look.You know what I mean!
Cat401
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Ok, I feel for your situation but....
I read your previous post "blown motor or seized" when you blew up your sled. You said you had it pinned for the length of the field....that's full throttle for a 1/2 mile straight...
You also said the sled had 3500 plus miles on it. And someone wrote that rod bearing failure is not uncommon on those engines. He also added that when a there is that type of failure, the connecting rod often hits the crankcase and cracks it.
So again, I feel for your situation, but after reading all the posts, I do not believe the previous owner misled you and therefore he is not responsible for paying for your fix.
You bought a used sled with over 3500 milies on it and you bought it without warranty.
In the future, you should refrain from having the engine pinned for such a long stretch. Vary the throttle and you will maybe prolong the life of the engine.
I read your previous post "blown motor or seized" when you blew up your sled. You said you had it pinned for the length of the field....that's full throttle for a 1/2 mile straight...
You also said the sled had 3500 plus miles on it. And someone wrote that rod bearing failure is not uncommon on those engines. He also added that when a there is that type of failure, the connecting rod often hits the crankcase and cracks it.
So again, I feel for your situation, but after reading all the posts, I do not believe the previous owner misled you and therefore he is not responsible for paying for your fix.
You bought a used sled with over 3500 milies on it and you bought it without warranty.
In the future, you should refrain from having the engine pinned for such a long stretch. Vary the throttle and you will maybe prolong the life of the engine.
note
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easy boys and girls this isnt ufc. its SNOWANDMUD! a positive envirment. lets keep it that way alright :d
polarice
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before you get banned.... realize this if the motor had a crack in it when you bought it how come it didnt blow up on him .... you basically admitted you took it out and ran it on minimal snow wide open throttle for extended period if i sold you this and you told me this guess what your on your own ... and it doesnt do you any good coming in here calling someone a crook cause you think he knew about it
could not agree more buddy, i was trying to controll myself but what about the other greasy people on this site...
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