NO to Enbridge

[frock]

NO to Enbridge????

The recent oil spill near Peace River highlights why a lot of BC residents don't want the Enbridge pipeline project in our province.

What do the Alberta folks think about this? Should we allow development at any cost? Even if that includes food and fresh water for the future generations?

 

[team dirt]

Good thing for the beaver Dam. Contained alot of oil.

 

[imdoo'n]

The recent oil spill near Peace River highlights why a lot of BC residents don't want the Enbridge pipeline project in our province.

What do the Alberta folks think about this? Should we allow development at any cost? Even if that includes food and fresh water for the future generations?

welcome to high prices dude, you must like $1.50 + gas.

the line was obviously not inspected. almost 40 yrs old. well past life expectantcy. these lines are carrying materials and higher pressures than initial apllied for. nova is another one that has a few problems coming down the line.

you should have voted for j layton.

friggin ndp. money grows on trees.

 

[Bogger]

I don't buy the "At any cost" arguement.

Incidents will happen in any industry and the pipeline rupture is very unfortunate. it is being blamed on poor soil compaction and cutting corners during construction.

I feel pipelines are a very viable method of delivery. although undesirable, in the grand scheme of things the spill is relatively small in size (remember BP????) and it's long term environmental impact will be a grain of sand compared to other adverse environmental damages. the owner will be held accountable for full reclaimation and cost associated with... that pipeline has been on operation since 1966 delivering 187K barrels a day, if you were to work out the amount of product moved as compared to the overall enviromental impact even including this spill and the one in 2006 it's not a bad track record in the grand sceme of things. That said it sounds as if the infastructure may have come to the end of it's safe operating lifespan and should be replaced.... after 45 years of operation I'd guess it has paid for itself.

Regulations need to be tougher and inpections increased in the construction phase to ensure a safe operating lifespan. In my humble opinion it's not the pipelines fault, it's those who chose to cut corners to save dollars.

imagine the emmissions that would be produced transporting 180K barrels a day over 45 years by truck....

Just sayin...

 

[imdoo'n]

you n bc guys may want to be calling weibo, he could use a little help in the fight.
ps can you mix diesel and fertilizer?

 

[Modman]

welcome to high prices dude, you must like $1.50 + gas.

the line was obviously not inspected. almost 40 yrs old. well past life expectantcy. these lines are carrying materials and higher pressures than initial apllied for. nova is another one that has a few problems coming down the line.

you should have voted for j layton.

friggin ndp. money grows on trees.

not sure about the political statement....LOL but I do know that the operator of this pipe has similar assests in the southern portion of the province, around the same vintage. Won't even allow exposure of the pipe in most areas because the coating is too old. If the coating is so degraded you can't expose it or it will come off, then the pipeline has no integrity IMO and another spill like this is inevitable. and I agree with imdoo'n. The pipelines and infrastructure were not designed for the pressures and materials they are carrying, and often times are just simply pumping networks tied together to span the distance. ERCB should step up and make some tougher regs.

 

[frock]

I barely got my hook in the water and all the fish are chewing on it :d:d

Just SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Bogger]

rough calculation would be about 341,275 tanker trucks per year....so roughly a thousand a day....

 

[teeroy]

rough calculation would be about 341,275 tanker trucks per year....so roughly a thousand a day....

the roads in the Evi/Otter field would be toast....

 

[frock]

you n bc guys may want to be calling weibo, he could use a little help in the fight.
ps can you mix diesel and fertilizer?

First, I wouldn't put other peoples lives in danger by blowing sh!t up and second if you come on my land and endanger me or my family then you better be able to outrun a 300 mag :d:d

Just Sayin

 

[imdoo'n]

not sure about the political statement....LOL but I do know that the operator of this pipe has similar assests in the southern portion of the province, around the same vintage. Won't even allow exposure of the pipe in most areas because the coating is too old. If the coating is so degraded you can't expose it or it will come off, then the pipeline has no integrity IMO and another spill like this is inevitable. and I agree with imdoo'n. The pipelines and infrastructure were not designed for the pressures and materials they are carrying, and often times are just simply pumping networks tied together to span the distance. ERCB should step up and make some tougher regs.

stop the friggin presses. modman and i agree. :d

seen pipes from 40 + yrs coated with black plastic tape, pipe actually rotted away, tape only thing holding produt in. watch for future nova problems.

 

[frock]

welcome to high prices dude, you must like $1.50 + gas.

the line was obviously not inspected. almost 40 yrs old. well past life expectantcy. these lines are carrying materials and higher pressures than initial apllied for. nova is another one that has a few problems coming down the line.

you should have voted for j layton.

friggin ndp. money grows on trees.

It's already too much to fill my sled, well actually that's BS, I would still ride even at twice the price :d.

No I didn't vote NDP, I kinda like having a job

 

[team dirt]

That pipeline went down and was restarted 6 times. Operator error is to blame for that spill. They never trust the instruments. I like my job in the patch and like all the products that come from oil but I still enjoy a clean enviroment. There is a blance and I beleive oil compnies try real hard to find it. After safety enviroment is deffinetly number 2 on the list now.

 

[OLE 11]

The worst thing about this spill is that Plains probably knew the pipeline was corroded all to sh!t.Oil companys have pigging programs. They will run a smart pig that is worth millions that tells them corrosion and weak spot in the line.SCABS! Have to push everything to the limit just to save $$$. If the proper procedures were done this probably would have never happened!Regards to the people suffering from this spill!

 

[maierch]

The worst thing about this spill is that Plains probably knew the pipeline was corroded all to sh!t.Oil companys have pigging programs. They will run a smart pig that is worth millions that tells them corrosion and weak spot in the line.SCABS! Have to push everything to the limit just to save $$$. If the proper procedures were done this probably would have never happened!Regards to the people suffering from this spill!

Where does it say anywhere in the information that corrosion was a cause of the failure? The line was inspected for both cracks and corrosion since the beginning of the year. The cause has been linked to improper backfilling which over the years caused stress on the shifting pipeline eventually causing it to fail.

Working in the industry it's my opinion that Plains is one of the most has one of the most comprehensive pipeline integrity plans. They perform 100s of inspections per year and even more verification digs.

Before you make assumptions you should do a little research.

 

[raceu4it]

so i guess it's safe to say that a pipeline worker has a job for life with good pay.

 

[Pinner]

welcome to high prices dude, you must like $1.50 + gas.

Stopping a pipeline from going over to the coast and loading tankers destined for Asia would not bring gas prices down. Higher demand equals higher prices.

An oil spill in the mountainous BC terrain/water sheds would be a disaster, and all the crude tankers along the coast wouldn't be the best idea either.

 

[LID]

Opening Alberta oil up to another market hopefully means we can get full market price for the oil, instead of having to give a 15-20 dollar/barrel discount at Cushing due to it being the only place we can sell it. That will bring more money back towards Alberta (or BC or Sask).

 

[frock]

Opening Alberta oil up to another market hopefully means we can get full market price for the oil, instead of having to give a 15-20 dollar/barrel discount at Cushing due to it being the only place we can sell it. That will bring more money back towards Alberta (or BC or Sask).

I'm not up on this so forgive the question, why are you guys forced to give the discount at Cushing (where is this)?

 

[maierch]

Here's a excerpt from a story about the cause of the leak.

Plains Rules Out Pipeline Corrosion In Rainbow Pipeline Spill
Improper backfilling following an inspection in 2010 is being cited as a contributing factor in an April 29 pipeline rupture on the Plains Midstream Canada Rainbow Pipeline that spilled 28,000 bbls of light crude near Evi in northwestern Alberta.
“It appears the soil underneath the pipeline was inadequately compacted, resulting in stress, which resulted in the break of the pipeline,” Stephen Bart, vice-president of operations, told a news conference Friday.
The pipeline rupture, which Plains believes is an isolated incident, was due to a crack perpendicular to the axis of the pipe. The crack was close to a welded repair sleeve that was applied more than 30 years ago by the previous owners, according to the company.
Results from a corrosion tool run in January of this year confirm that corrosion was not a contributing factor in the release, said Bart. A crack detection tool using ultrasonic technology has also ruled out stress corrosion cracking, he said.
The repair was completed May 3 and the company is currently waiting for the Energy Resources Conservation Board approval to restart the portion of the pipeline north of Nipisi that has been shut down. That section of the 187,000 bbl per day pipeline from Zama to Edmonton pipeline has been transporting about 75,000 bbls per day of light crude.
As of the weekend, crews had managed to recover 25 per cent (about 7,300 bbls) of the estimated oil release. Nine skimmers were in operation with another five more expected Sunday, according to an update from Plains on its website.