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[Turblue]

So essentially they are doing the same thing. Making the spindle more vertical.

Zbroz moves the ball joint back and iceage moves the top forward.
So running both isn’t probably the best idea.

 

[Clode]

I put riot spindles on my cat and just replaced the upper a-arm with a TKI unit, gained 1.5 inches of clearance and my sled has way better trail manners

 

[Lund]

So essentially they are doing the same thing. Making the spindle more vertical.

Zbroz moves the ball joint back and iceage moves the top forward.
So running both isn’t probably the best idea.

Oh my bad, yes I was looking at your picture backwards LOL.
It would appear that they are BUT after reading your post and looking at your picture again I went out and measured the distance from the spindle ski bolt to the rear suspension mount bolt and it measures within 1/16th" difference from one side to other. RH is stock lower arm and LH is Zbroz lower arm.
So I kinda conclude it will not effect handling and keeps the geometry the same.

 

[Lund]

 

[Lund]

Here are pictures of the caster angle, the Iceage with stock lower arm

The caster angle with Iceage and Zbroz lower arm

 

[Lund]

About 2deg, may explain the less than 1/6th” difference. Not something i’ed be concerned about.

 

[Turblue]

What I meant is with both iceage upper and zbroz lower …they both are making the spindle more vertical.

Will it be to vertical with both?

Install a stock upper and see the difference. Iceage designed it with the stock lowers.

 

[Lund]

This is what needs to be done if you combine Zbroz and Iceage.
Took me about 2 hrs to cut this out. The second one should be a lot faster because now I know how much to remove to make fit.
Yes I have now full travel in all directions.

 

[Got Juice?]

wow, way too much caster angle on the lower a arms, i can def see that as an issue.

 

[Lund]

Caster angle;
STOCK= 60deg.
Iceage setup= 68deg.
Iceage combined with Zbroz arm= 70deg.
The Iceage 68deg. improves steering over the stock 60deg. ONLY on up hill turns or side hills, otherwise it is not noticeable.
The additional 2deg. with Zbroz has never been tried BUT it moves the spindle LESS then 1/16th" back giving the 70deg.
If you notice that your a wonder of a special kind.

 

[Turblue]

Well after trying every configuration I think I’m going to move on from the zbroz lowers.

I email trenchers to see if they are stock geo …not sure the Heim joint is strong enough??

Or go back to stock.

I talked to one guy on FB sidewinder group and he’s had good luck …4-5000km no issues. I just need to confirm that with the iceage uppers the steering rod doesn’t hit. If they are identical as stock should be good.

Oh well I was expecting possible they wouldn’t mess. Couldn’t find anyone that had experience.

 

[Lunch_Box]

You were talking to my buddy Ronnie, I can tell you that he rides his sled hard. If I was home I would do a test fitting for you as I have the Iceage spindles and uppers but Im gone for another few weeks.

 

[Turblue]

You were talking to my buddy Ronnie, I can tell you that he rides his sled hard. If I was home I would do a test fitting for you as I have the Iceage spindles and uppers but Im gone for another few weeks.

Yeah you bet. I’ll see what trenchers say this week.

 

[M1ryguy]

Looking at the heim joint area on the trenchers they don't look like they will interfere like the z broz do.

 

[Turblue]

That won’t be an issue. I’m more concerned with the iceage uppers and hitting the shock if the trenchers aren’t the same geo as shock.

 

[1200]

These trenchers lighter than stock or just high clearance. Don't love the heim joint.

 

[M1ryguy]

The heim joint is similar to the setup I had on my Nytro, they seemed to do ok

 

[Turblue]

So I look at pictures of guys running zbroz lowers and iceage spindle. Do they just slap it together and don’t look?? Idk.
Knowing what I know now it has to bind there.

 

[Lund]

Clueless, it bolted together so it must work together.
Maybe there is more then what we are seeing, thus why I caution anyone on buying a modified sled.
Being able to replace OE parts and bolting on an aftermarket part that bolts up doesn't make you a sled builder but just a parts replacer.

 

[Turblue]

I talked to Trenchers about their arms. Trenchers are stock geometry so they should be fine with the iceage uppers.

I also called iceage to see what they thought about the deal. They haven’t messed around with zbroz or trenchers much…at least the guy I was talking hasn’t personally. They did comment that there is a geo change with zbroz and I confirmed that.

Anyway I think I’m going to stock. I don’t really see any performance gains with trenchers and concerned with the heim joint.

Lesson learned…,again. Lol.